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[Bishop Steiner]

Roughneck45, on 17 February 2017 - 09:28 AM, said:

I'm too jaded for that.

I just want more battletech stuff in game. We NEED things that give us a sense of scale and some immersion. A single player game will definitely have those things, maybe it will inspire some ideas for this one.

My biggest concern will be that PGI tries to write the script themselves. And that I don't trust them to be able to do well at all.

[Mcgral18]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 February 2017 - 09:27 AM, said:

Uh, no. An Alpha is NOT a game. A game is not a game until it is launched, For better or worse. But good try.

So MWO is two games? Neat

[Bishop Steiner]

Mcgral18, on 17 February 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

So MWO is two games? Neat

It is a game. Doesn't make it a good game, but it is brought to market, something SC is still far from. Or did I miss a Launch announcement on Steam? No? OK then. Keep talking out your butt Mickey.

[Mcgral18]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 February 2017 - 09:33 AM, said:

It is a game. Doesn't make it a good game, but it is brought to market, something SC is still far from. Or did I miss a Launch announcement on Steam? No? OK then. Keep talking out your butt Mickey.

You need to calm down, methinks

You are the one making wild claims, with no supporting evidence, slandering for slanders sake
You don't like when someone calls you out on it.

[Kael Posavatz]

Clanner Scum, on 16 February 2017 - 02:19 PM, said:

Why on earth would PGI take the profits they've earned from this game, from our wallets, and dump it into producing another game? Why can they not use that funding to make THIS game better? There's so much stuff they can add to this game to make it better and yet they turn around and start making another standalone title...I don't even...

PGI is a for-profit business. Once you give them your money, it is their money and they can spend it however they please. If they want to spend it on Transverse, or MW5, that is their choice to make. They have a responsibility to their owners to make money, and to spend money in a way that will bring them more money. They have no obligation to their consumers to spend money in the way the consumers feel they should.

I supposed if enough people rage*quit or stopped spending money PGI would go out of business. At that point those people would no longer have to worry about 'their' money being spent on MW5. But if that happened we would no longer have MWO either, and MS would likely be disinclined to authorize another MechWarrior game for another 1o years.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mcgral18, on 17 February 2017 - 09:37 AM, said:

You need to calm down, methinks

You are the one making wild claims, with no supporting evidence, slandering for slanders sake
You don't like when someone calls you out on it.

Firstly, you are the one screaming to the heavens people are lying, yet when pressed can provide no evidence thereof. And secondly, in print, that is libel, not slander. So maybe you should get YOUR facts straight before you go off on one of your little tantrums, mmmmkay?

Because so far, the only one who has misrepresented anything out of the two of us, is the one who decided to resort to personal attacks, and that, dear boy... is you.

[Deathlike]

Alistair Winter, on 17 February 2017 - 07:41 AM, said:

Which, incidentally, is why MWO is not really a game either.

That hurts bro. It killed my inner fanboy since... oh never mind, it's stillborn.

Bishop Steiner, on 17 February 2017 - 09:27 AM, said:

Uh, no. An Alpha is NOT a game. A game is not a game until it is launched, For better or worse. But good try.

TBH, I have no horse in this race. Star Citizen as much as much as it has its own hype train and overfeatureness bloat.. has more of a game than MWO ever aspired to. One's simply an actual alpha (in the labels no less), and the other one is an alpha pretending to not be one.

The thing about setting the bar is that seeing other games that are F2P and exceed my expectations are probably not the norm, but finding the one (I keep referencing Path of Exile for a reason) and then seeing MWO... it makes one rethink the goals and efforts between development teams. One actually gives a damn.. the other one doesn't give a damn.

At least Star Citizen is trying to reach for the stars... MWO is mercifully hovering over tiny rocks.

[AphexTwin11]

Mcgral18, on 17 February 2017 - 09:37 AM, said:

You need to calm down, methinks

You are the one making wild claims, with no supporting evidence, slandering for slanders sake
You don't like when someone calls you out on it.

@Bishop - Mcgral is a known troll, just hit the ignore button

Edited by AphexTwin11, 17 February 2017 - 09:49 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

Mcgral18, on 17 February 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

So MWO is two games? Neat

Btw, remember the great launch of MWO, when PGI removed the word "Beta" from the MWO.jpg in the upper left corner of their website?

That's apparently when MWO crossed the magical threshold and became a real game. They changed the .jpg, you see. The day before, when "Beta" was still in the .jpg? Not a real game.

[Bishop Steiner]

Deathlike, on 17 February 2017 - 09:43 AM, said:

That hurts bro. It killed my inner fanboy since... oh never mind, it's stillborn.




TBH, I have no horse in this race. Star Citizen as much as much as it has its own hype train and overfeatureness bloat.. has more of a game than MWO ever aspired to. One's simply an actual alpha (in the labels no less), and the other one is an alpha pretending to not be one.

The thing about setting the bar is that seeing other games that are F2P and exceed my expectations are probably not the norm, but finding the one (I keep referencing Path of Exile for a reason) and then seeing MWO... it makes one rethink the goals and efforts between development teams. One actually gives a damn.. the other one doesn't give a damn.

At least Star Citizen is trying to reach for the stars... MWO is mercifully hovering over tiny rocks.

this I don't disagree with, just the blind fanboi pass that SC brainwashed types give them.
And honestly, I still will be shocked if SC even halfway meets it's hypetrain, but yes, that would be more tha MWO has ever done.

Which was not the debate, but rather McGral's insistence that people are lying, when we are simply telling truths he apparently does not want to hear for whatever reason.

I literally could give two craps less about if SC becomes the biggest boondoggle, or greatest game ever. I'm personally not interested in it, as a whole, although whenever they get the Space Marine portion worked out, I MIGHT look into that part, depending on what is needed to gain access, and how twitchy vs MMO/RPG, etc, it ends up being (I honestly don't spend too much energy following WingCOmmander 2025).

But your BFF sure seems awful #triggered that anyone would say anything "not nice" about SC and the Sainted Chris Roberts (btw... he also made the Wing Commander movie... yeah... quality!).

But MWO does a great job reminding me why I loathe the entire F2P model.... or even the not F2P but constant pay for DLC model. I truly prefer the "Build a game, buy a game, if it sucks the devs go bankrupt do to reviews, if it's good, teh devs continue" model.

The only thing I give PGI credit for is apparently being part and parcel to helping relaunch notice of the IP, since it was rather moribund, even the TT version, until just about 2 years ago.

Alistair Winter, on 17 February 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

Btw, remember the great launch of MWO, when PGI removed the word "Beta" from the MWO.jpg in the upper left corner of their website?

That's apparently when MWO crossed the magical threshold and became a real game. They changed the .jpg, you see. The day before, when "Beta" was still in the .jpg? Not a real game.

Again, you can argue it if you want (who am I kidding, of course you will. This is the internet). Nothing says a game has to be good, bad or well thought out. MWO is pretty much none of the above. But it IS Launched and available, on Steam as such. It's a minimally viable, TDM FPS with delusions of Battletech. But it is still an actual game.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 February 2017 - 09:59 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 February 2017 - 09:56 AM, said:

Again, you can argue it if you want (who am I kidding, of course you will. This is the internet). Nothing says a game has to be good, bad or well thought out. MWO is pretty much none of the above. But it IS Launched and available, on Steam as such. It's a minimally viable, TDM FPS with delusions of Battletech. But it is still an actual game.

So it's Steam that makes it a game? But Star Citizen isn't a game because it's not on Steam? Or is it the .jpg thing? At what point does it become a game? What if the devs decide the game will never be complete, they'll keep working on it forever while millions of people are playing it? Does it never become a game? Almost a game, but not quite? Unless it's on Steam? Steam decides whether it's actually a game, presumably. They have some sort of oracle.

[Metus regem]

Okay, now that this thread has been completely derailed into an internet fight over semantics and personal opinions, can we either close this down or try to get back on track of making the OP out to be either ill-informed or overly entitled to how a company will spend it's funds?

[Bishop Steiner]

Alistair Winter, on 17 February 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

So it's Steam that makes it a game? But Star Citizen isn't a game because it's not on Steam? Or is it the .jpg thing? At what point does it become a game? What if the devs decide the game will never be complete, they'll keep working on it forever while millions of people are playing it? Does it never become a game? Almost a game, but not quite? Unless it's on Steam? Steam decides whether it's actually a game, presumably. They have some sort of oracle.

Nope, but good job cherry picking (luvz the internetz)to try to make an argument, simple fact is, it's a game, when the devs say it's a game, which in most cases, is when they launch (again whether it's good, bad, or even functional? a totally different story, but figured I'd try to keep it simple to avoid confusing you more). But GGClose, there Alistair!

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 February 2017 - 10:34 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 February 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

Nope, but good job cherry picking (luvz the internetz)to try to make an argument, simple fact is, it's a game, when the devs say it's a game, which in most cases, is when they launch (again whether it's good, bad, or even functional? a totally different story, but figured I'd try to keep it simple to avoid confusing you more). But GGClose, there Alistair!

Cherry picking? I kind of broke down your whole response a few pages back. I even used bullet points to adress pretty much everything you said.

But good to know that MWO wasn't a game until the official launch. So it was the .jpg thing after all. I'm glad we got that sorted. Of course, this still leaves the mysterious situation where nobody knows if a game is actually a game unless the devs announce that a game has been launched.

All jokes aside, your position isn't confusing at all. It is, however, pretty absurd.

PS: I made a movie yesterday. But I didn't release it. So it's not really a movie. ggclose.

[Metus regem]

Metus regem, on 17 February 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

Okay, now that this thread has been completely derailed into an internet fight over semantics and personal opinions, can we either close this down or try to get back on track of making the OP out to be either ill-informed or overly entitled to how a company will spend it's funds?

Gods I hate to quote myself, but I think this got skipped over being posted at nearly the same time as Bishop's last post, so I'll just quote it, so that it might actually get seen...

[Weeny Machine]

Maybe it means that PGi will let MWO "run out" and PGI can re-create it as MWO 2 with a modern engine and more immersion...well, here's to hoping (I don't really believe it, though)

[Arctourus]

ugh

[AphexTwin11]

Metus regem, on 17 February 2017 - 11:14 AM, said:

Gods I hate to quote myself, but I think this got skipped over being posted at nearly the same time as Bishop's last post, so I'll just quote it, so that it might actually get seen...

Yeah we get it, we ignored it on purpose

EDIT: I still, even though it's been beat into the ground, find ggclose at the end of argumentative forum posts to be hilarious.

Edited by AphexTwin11, 17 February 2017 - 11:25 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Alistair Winter, on 17 February 2017 - 11:07 AM, said:

Cherry picking? I kind of broke down your whole response a few pages back. I even used bullet points to adress pretty much everything you said.

But good to know that MWO wasn't a game until the official launch. So it was the .jpg thing after all. I'm glad we got that sorted. Of course, this still leaves the mysterious situation where nobody knows if a game is actually a game unless the devs announce that a game has been launched.

All jokes aside, your position isn't confusing at all. It is, however, pretty absurd.

PS: I made a movie yesterday. But I didn't release it. So it's not really a movie. ggclose.

Only absurd to those who have a trouble with simple facts and truth. Even SC doesn't claim to have a game yet, hence the Alpha tag.

Your deliberate thickness is only matched by Mickey's. A shame intentional obtuseness doesn't actually make one clever.

AphexTwin11, on 17 February 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

EDIT: I still, even though it's been beat into the ground, find ggclose at the end of argumentative forum posts to be hilarious.

Working as Intended.

[Alistair Winter]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 February 2017 - 12:08 PM, said:

Only absurd to those who have a trouble with simple facts and truth. Even SC doesn't claim to have a game yet, hence the Alpha tag.

Your deliberate thickness is only matched by Mickey's. A shame intentional obtuseness doesn't actually make one clever.

I painted a painting yesterday.

But I never sold it.

So it's not a painting.