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#41 MacClearly

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 02:14 PM

View PostI_AM_ZUUL, on 21 February 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:


So your contention is that intentionally using myself as a damage soak while coordinating doing that was not helping the team win??? See what I mean... your cognitive dissonance is fascinating to me. I willing gave a component to an enemy by being torso twisted away then pushed into the open, the 5 guys with me then followed past me and killed that mech who was busy focused on me. I coordinated that same maneuver 4 consecutive times losing a component each time til I was dead and 6 enemies had been eliminated and my 5 teammates had taken little to no fire in return. But in your misunderstanding of what game we are actually playing... since I was not playing a 2 cERPPC cancer build hiding in the back and being totally irrelevant to any team based tactics while I pad my damage/kill score like you were, then I did not do anything??? See what I mean... anyone else who reads this can understand what I am explaining, but your cognitive dissonance is too great for you to be able to perceive reality as it truly is.

oh yeah... i also spent the entire time yelling and belittling the annoying Light player who kept cluttering comms with his constant talking about the Pirates Bane like it was important (he was the 7th player in the Panther who was not with the team as we were pulling off the maneuvers that secured us the victory.) Cause I was coordinating the team to deal with the Assaults and Heavy's which we did fabulously while he was over messing with a light by himself where you ended up hiding at the end. At least the rest of your team stuck together and tried to function as a team... without great coordination from the other players on my team then they probably would have won, and you would have taken some kind of credit for something that you were totally irrelevant in achieving since you were off by yourself not with them. If you had a decent mid-range build and were with them then I doubt we could even have been successful against the added weight of fire of another Heavy mixed in. So in that... thanks for building trash & playing it selfishly so that it helped your team lose, it was probably the most satisfying game of the week I will have. The successful completion of 4 movement maneuvers, the extremely unusual experience of playing a pure damage soak as part of those maneuvers, and the added satisfaction of not only beating you but beating you while you were playing a selfish cancer mech on a team that was utterly crushed by coordinated teamwork.


Zuul you don't even know what cognitive dissonance means. I have been very consistent in my assertions.

That you think having 2 ppc's on a LBK Prime is cancer will be all the information anyone would need to write off what you are saying in its entirety. That the build is a sign of selfishness or signifies how I play as a teammate is absurd.

Again it is sad that you don't get it and are taking responsibility for the win. Your dressing it up as soaking up damage as a meat shield seems to indicate an inability to accept or understand when you have had a bad game. Oh well.

Good for you, for getting the win. Considering how many times I have killed you and stopped your bum rush I imagine it felt good for you to get that in. Since we can't pick our teams in quick play I imagine you may even win against me here or there in the future. Hell if I am not paying attention you might even score a kill on me. Doesn't matter, it doesn't support your claims to greatness or excuse your attitude towards other players. Too bad you will never comprehend that.

Edit: I have to say that you think that the only none cancer build is midrange and then in the same paragraph telling me I don't get the game is a special kind of...well you know.

Edited by MacClearly, 21 February 2017 - 02:28 PM.


#42 I_AM_ZUUL

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 02:45 PM

View PostMacClearly, on 21 February 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:


Zuul you don't even know what cognitive dissonance means. I have been very consistent in my assertions.

That you think having 2 ppc's on a LBK Prime is cancer will be all the information anyone would need to right off what you are saying in its entirety. That the build is a sign of selfishness or signifies how I play as a teammate is absurd.

Again it is sad that you don't get it and are taking responsibility for the win. Your dressing it up as soaking up damage as a meat shield seems to indicate an inability to accept or understand when you have had a bad game. Oh well.

Good for you, for getting the win. Considering how many times I have killed you and stopped your bum rush I imagine it felt good for you to get that in. Since we can't pick our teams in quick play I imagine you may even win against me here or there in the future. Hell if I am not paying attention you might even score a kill on me. Doesn't matter, it doesn't support your claims to greatness or excuse your attitude towards other players. Too bad you will never comprehend that.


How was is bad? You singled me out for attack because of our personal history and crippled my ability to output damage effectively... since Damage is not the sole determiner (and in lots of ways is probably about 4th or 5th on the list) of what makes something good, then I did not need to deal damage to have a great game. I had a good chunk of players on my team listen, we pulled off 4 separate movement maneuvers that was fundamental to victory, I got to have the very unusal experience of intentionally being a damage soak for three of them and then just running into the open to draw fire and attention to myself while the other people on my massacred them for paying attention to me. It was quite literally everything I want in a game... a team that works together and being able to play a vital role in it. I know you want to be carried along to victory by your teammates while hiding in the back playing cERPPC or LRMs (which you do not play well cause you are not close enough to the frontline.) I want to take a proactive role because that makes me happy, you want to play a passive role cause then you can pad your stats which makes you happy.

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 21 February 2017 - 02:46 PM.


#43 MacClearly

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 03:08 PM

View PostI_AM_ZUUL, on 21 February 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:


How was is bad? You singled me out for attack because of our personal history and crippled my ability to output damage effectively... since Damage is not the sole determiner (and in lots of ways is probably about 4th or 5th on the list) of what makes something good, then I did not need to deal damage to have a great game. I had a good chunk of players on my team listen, we pulled off 4 separate movement maneuvers that was fundamental to victory, I got to have the very unusal experience of intentionally being a damage soak for three of them and then just running into the open to draw fire and attention to myself while the other people on my massacred them for paying attention to me. It was quite literally everything I want in a game... a team that works together and being able to play a vital role in it. I know you want to be carried along to victory by your teammates while hiding in the back playing cERPPC or LRMs (which you do not play well cause you are not close enough to the frontline.) I want to take a proactive role because that makes me happy, you want to play a passive role cause then you can pad your stats which makes you happy.

I play all sorts of mech of all weights and all weapons.

I didn't target you I said you had one move and that was the bum rush.

You did nothing and the team carried you. Still instead of saying you had a bad game your go to is to talk nonsense.

Going way off topic though.

No you didn't climb half a tier in a weekend. Your stats betray you during this period and the bar moves too slow for that especially for a player of your calibur.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 03:55 PM

View PostMacClearly, on 21 February 2017 - 07:11 AM, said:


It would not be easy even for a decent and competent player. That is why everyone KNOWS YOU ARE LYING!!!! Besides the fact that your story changed, there is proof in the statistics. Your KDR and WLR would have to be through the roof but they are not. It is not surprising that you don't get this and you seem really committed when you make up an outrageous claim even when the stats and everything clearly point to the unassailable fact that you are not telling the truth.

It is also very telling that when confronted you devolve into name calling and having a little fit. What does it matter if I don't believe you? No one is going to. You should be really used to it by now.


You can on a new account. I'm guessing he isn't talking about a new account and I don't know how much it slows down, but you can move new accounts up really fast. Unless they changed that.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 04:07 PM

View PostBogus, on 20 February 2017 - 07:15 PM, said:

A couple of matches ago I noticed that shiny new Mr. Mauler only got about 6k CB from 300ish damage in a loss, and was surprised that the value was so low. Methinks think you may be confusing damage with the ocean of miscellaneous rewards like spotting, assist etc.


Check this out:

Single air strike and a UAV.
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Damage aint everything and even in a disco and a few seconds of play you can still get decent cbills and xp (especially if running premium). Sure its not great, but it was also maybe 45 seconds in match.

#46 MacClearly

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 04:22 PM

View Postdario03, on 21 February 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:


You can on a new account. I'm guessing he isn't talking about a new account and I don't know how much it slows down, but you can move new accounts up really fast. Unless they changed that.

No he isn't. You are right though, your first five or six matches are weighted pretty heavy. On my second account I was half way through tier 3 by the sixth game.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 05:36 PM

View PostMacClearly, on 21 February 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

I play all sorts of mech of all weights and all weapons.

I didn't target you I said you had one move and that was the bum rush.

You did nothing and the team carried you. Still instead of saying you had a bad game your go to is to talk nonsense.

Going way off topic though.

No you didn't climb half a tier in a weekend. Your stats betray you during this period and the bar moves too slow for that especially for a player of your calibur.


See... I knew you would start lying again, you clearly were targeting me when you shoot past a fully exposed kodiak to hit the only part of me that was not covered my rock or the aforementioned kodiak TWICE!!!!! So when you will not even be honest about your own actions... I do not know what to say to you. I totally target specific people when I see them in a match for a variety of reasons, so I can not understand why you would lie about it? That is what makes it have to a pathological condition for you... you lie when you have absolutely no fathomable reason to lie.

But none of that invalidates the fact that you can quite easily game the system in a LRM boat and fill up half a Tier 2 bar in 20 hours of play doing so. You saying I did not do something which I 100% did... is no more relevant than you lying about specifically targeting me in the match over a much more exposed and dangerous mech then my direwhale.

edit: I mean how weird would it be if you were not targeting me... I routinely call you a lying piece of $hit because you are a lying piece of $hit. The ACH standing next to you prevented me from getting your targeting information but the SECOND time you did it confirmed my initial suspicion that was you in a 2 cERPPC linebacker.

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 21 February 2017 - 05:52 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:02 PM

View PostI_AM_ZUUL, on 21 February 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:


See... I knew you would start lying again, you clearly were targeting me when you shoot past a fully exposed kodiak to hit the only part of me that was not covered my rock or the aforementioned kodiak TWICE!!!!! So when you will not even be honest about your own actions... I do not know what to say to you. I totally target specific people when I see them in a match for a variety of reasons, so I can not understand why you would lie about it? That is what makes it have to a pathological condition for you... you lie when you have absolutely no fathomable reason to lie.

But none of that invalidates the fact that you can quite easily game the system in a LRM boat and fill up half a Tier 2 bar in 20 hours of play doing so. You saying I did not do something which I 100% did... is no more relevant than you lying about specifically targeting me in the match over a much more exposed and dangerous mech then my direwhale.

edit: I mean how weird would it be if you were not targeting me... I routinely call you a lying piece of $hit because you are a lying piece of $hit. The ACH standing next to you prevented me from getting your targeting information but the SECOND time you did it confirmed my initial suspicion that was you in a 2 cERPPC linebacker.


Lol...

No I did not target you nor do I ever target people individually. You make your usual braindead assumptions. I do prioritise assaults though. I get why you don't understand or am able to comprehend the actions of others.

Anyways that one match is irrelevant. You did not move up half a tier in two days. Nothing you say will overcome the unassailable fact that your stats don't back your lie over the period in question (season 7)...

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:10 PM

View PostTed Wayz, on 19 February 2017 - 06:35 PM, said:

MWO being anything but meet in the middle and bash each others heads in for two.


Domination mode, gather everyone i one point, have fun now kill each other. Pure stupidity.

Btw, you are right. Kill reward could be a little higher.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:15 PM

View PostMacClearly, on 21 February 2017 - 06:02 PM, said:


Lol...

No I did not target you nor do I ever target people individually. You make your usual braindead assumptions. I do prioritise assaults though. I get why you don't understand or am able to comprehend the actions of others.

Anyways that one match is irrelevant. You did not move up half a tier in two days. Nothing you say will overcome the unassailable fact that your stats don't back your lie over the period in question (season 7)...


Your own eyes saw it happen... so you either are a pathological liar or have some serious memory problems cause that was like 2 months ago at most, either way it means you have neurological issue that needs treatment dude. I mean I do not like or respect you even slightly but just as a member of humanity I want you to get the help that you obviously need.

But then the way you told the story in your initial attack on me was not in any meaningful way what actually transpired either... and I had to break it and you down until you grudgingly conceded that maybe it did not happen the way you were claiming it happened. Though you did stay a piece of $hit through to the end by refusing to admit I was right even after I had to mock up diagrams of what happened. It was such a $hitshow of a match from a group that I thought was supposedly was good, that I remembered it very clearly.

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 21 February 2017 - 06:19 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:29 PM

View PostI_AM_ZUUL, on 21 February 2017 - 06:15 PM, said:


Your own eyes saw it happen... so you either are a pathological liar or have some serious memory problems cause that was like 2 months ago at most, either way it means you have neurological issue that needs treatment dude. I mean I do not like or respect you even slightly but just as a member of humanity I want you to get the help that you obviously need.

But then the way you told the story in your initial attack on me was not in any meaningful way what actually transpired either... and I had to break it and you down until you grudgingly conceded that maybe it did not happen the way you were claiming it happened. Though you did stay a piece of $hit through to the end by refusing to admit I was right even after I had to mock up diagrams of what happened. It was such a $hitshow of a match from a group that I thought was supposedly was good, that I remembered it very clearly.


No Zuul I never conceded anything to you other than it was possible that it was not you in an lrm Griffin.

You never came up with a reasonable explanation as to why you reinforced and you proved that you really didn't understand the invasion maps or how they are played. Statistics also blew apart your arguments and unsubstantiated claims. I am not surprised you don't understand that as you think stories from when you were twelve are meaningful in discussions....

I also saw you go into tier one to which you are now claiming (you story has changed a bit) that you did it in two days. Again this is not possible and your stats don't back your claim either. Guess you will never be able to come to terms with that. It really doesn't matter, no one is ever going to believe your story.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 08:24 PM

View PostMacClearly, on 21 February 2017 - 06:29 PM, said:


No Zuul I never conceded anything to you other than it was possible that it was not you in an lrm Griffin.

You never came up with a reasonable explanation as to why you reinforced and you proved that you really didn't understand the invasion maps or how they are played. Statistics also blew apart your arguments and unsubstantiated claims. I am not surprised you don't understand that as you think stories from when you were twelve are meaningful in discussions....

I also saw you go into tier one to which you are now claiming (you story has changed a bit) that you did it in two days. Again this is not possible and your stats don't back your claim either. Guess you will never be able to come to terms with that. It really doesn't matter, no one is ever going to believe your story.


The reasonable explanation was that the game was already clearly lost and the team was way to terrible to ever have any chance of coming back... so whatever happened from that point is completely irrelevant since it could not EVER matter. But then you as well as being a lying piece of $hit are not smart enough to understand the game state either apparently... since you are still clinging to "stats" has the gold standard of measurement when I have explained very specifically how to game to the PSR system. Do 500 damage and you stay neutral & do 800 damage and you go up on losses... so just LRM people and use damage to hold yourself in position or go up on the experience bar on losses and go up on wins. Super simple dude... I could explain it to a small child and even they would be able to grasp the basic concept.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:43 PM

View PostI_AM_ZUUL, on 21 February 2017 - 08:24 PM, said:


The reasonable explanation was that the game was already clearly lost and the team was way to terrible to ever have any chance of coming back... so whatever happened from that point is completely irrelevant since it could not EVER matter. But then you as well as being a lying piece of $hit are not smart enough to understand the game state either apparently... since you are still clinging to "stats" has the gold standard of measurement when I have explained very specifically how to game to the PSR system. Do 500 damage and you stay neutral & do 800 damage and you go up on losses... so just LRM people and use damage to hold yourself in position or go up on the experience bar on losses and go up on wins. Super simple dude... I could explain it to a small child and even they would be able to grasp the basic concept.


LOL... I love how your mind works. I say 'hey zuul your stats don't back your claims' and you read that I have somehow stated that the stats are the end all and be all. Considering your poor grasp on language I should not be surprised.

Again zuul, the bar doesn't move that fast even on a 1000+ damage game where you win. Your stats from the period you entered into tier one would be better than what your season seven stats actually show if you had actually gone on such a tear.





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