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[MacClearly]

I_AM_ZUUL, on 22 February 2017 - 01:51 PM, said:

Then you are either an idiot or just unobservant.... either of those options are valid to my perception of you, in reality both is probably the accurate answer. I was displaying my Tier when it was 2, you can lie about it like you lie about so many other things but it does not change facts any more than all the other things you lie about.

Where are the daily average Damage stats? Oh yeah... they do not exist because as I have pointed out countless other times when you try to bring up "stats", the stats are incomplete to the point of being dog$hit in anything but the most general and unspecific way until they are almost entirely useless. So when the entire point I am making (which is easily repeatable by anyone, even a lying piece of $hit like you) is that around 500 Damage games equals a neutral psr on a loss & around 800 damage games equals a positive psr on a loss... how can you be literally ret@rded enough to bring up W/L ratio as the crux of your rebuttal??? The entire way that this trick works to game the system is to ELIMINATE the negative psr associated with a Loss!!!!!!!! So I could have exactly 0 wins and still raise my psr doing this, albeit not nearly as quickly... so whatever point you think you are making is just dumb, but then you yourself are dumb so it is unsurprising that is what you would think up.



I get to argue on the internet with a lying piece of $hit about how I did it... but I do not really think that is an actual reward. so no... no you do not, unless you want to count having even worse players put on your team to "balance" out you being Tier 1 as a reward. Which again from personal experience is not a reward either

No zuul you still don't understand.

You can keep trying to explain the psr but it has been covered by people who actually understand how it works.

If you had such a run your stats would reflect that. Your stats also reflect that you are not a player capable of such a feat.

You can try and try and try to insist that you did it, but you have absolutely nothing to back your claim outside of your word which is worth nothing. The only evidence available shows you are full of it. There is nothing for me to lie about here zuul. You fail to grasp that whether I saw you displaying tier 2 before you made it to 1, I never saw any evidence that you 'farmed' half a bar in your now claimed 20 hours. How on earth is it so hard for you to understand that? How can you possibly miss that your overall performance over the entire period available on the leaderboard, paints a picture of a players performance and capabilities??? What part of how slowly the bar moves in tier 2 towards tier one to you not get? Maybe an exceptional comp player could do it in a solid week. The fact remains that it just doesn't move, even if you had nothing but 1200-1400 damage wins for twenty hours straight, that fast?

When you tell a garbage bs story though, you are really all in. No matter what a load it is you just never back down even if it is ripped apart for the utter nonsense that it is.

So again. Did not see where your bar was. No proof that you did it in two days. Lots of evidence that points to you not being anywhere near skilled enough to pull it off.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

MacClearly, on 22 February 2017 - 03:18 PM, said:

No zuul you still don't understand.

You can keep trying to explain the psr but it has been covered by people who actually understand how it works.

If you had such a run your stats would reflect that. Your stats also reflect that you are not a player capable of such a feat.

You can try and try and try to insist that you did it, but you have absolutely nothing to back your claim outside of your word which is worth nothing. The only evidence available shows you are full of it. There is nothing for me to lie about here zuul. You fail to grasp that whether I saw you displaying tier 2 before you made it to 1, I never saw any evidence that you 'farmed' half a bar in your now claimed 20 hours. How on earth is it so hard for you to understand that? How can you possibly miss that your overall performance over the entire period available on the leaderboard, paints a picture of a players performance and capabilities??? What part of how slowly the bar moves in tier 2 towards tier one to you not get? Maybe an exceptional comp player could do it in a solid week. The fact remains that it just doesn't move, even if you had nothing but 1200-1400 damage wins for twenty hours straight, that fast?

When you tell a garbage bs story though, you are really all in. No matter what a load it is you just never back down even if it is ripped apart for the utter nonsense that it is.

So again. Did not see where your bar was. No proof that you did it in two days. Lots of evidence that points to you not being anywhere near skilled enough to pull it off.

Again... the entire point was to use LRMs which you do not think requires skill to use and accumulate lots of damage every game, so my supposed skill level is as irrelevant as W/L ratio. You really do not understand what constitute a "trick" do you... it is by definition "1. a cunning or skillful act or scheme intended to deceive or outwit someone.", the someone in this case was the arbitrary numbers that calculate PSR from the severely limited scope that the Reward System uses. So... using stats from all month where I am doing nothing else but playing unMastered mechs (and definitely not the good ones, since I did those long ago) for x2 XP every day, as the basis by judging if I can do I very specific trick on the PSR calculations using a mech that has some of the highest damage output in the game over the course of 20 hours across 2 days is so incongruous that even you are able to see it.

So every bit of your rebuttal is flawed since it is based upon the very things that I am tricking to do it... even to your anecdotal evidence backing your assertion that the PSR bar can NOT fill that fast. I watched it fill that fast by giving the calculations what it was looking for within its very limited scope... because that was the entire point I was making when I said I was going to do it and then did it, that it is highly skewed and if you are only looking at a very limited scope of events then it is easy to game. The limited number of variables makes it open to manipulation, just like caring about things like KDR which can be easily manipulated to make you look good. Of course doing those things to make your KDR is what makes you a terrible player because the vast majority of the ways to manipulate it is not only selfish but anti-team behavior... but your KDR stat can skyrocket if you want to manipulate it, just like psr can be manipulated.

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 22 February 2017 - 04:24 PM.

[Bud Crue]

I hereby dub this "Mac and Zuul's Thread of Bickering". None shall be concerned with or be allowed to comment on the OP or original thread title. It is all Mac and all Zuul and their feud from here on out.

Can we get a mod to make this official? Its actually been a fun read.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

Bud Crue, on 22 February 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

I hereby dub this "Mac and Zuul's Thread of Bickering". None shall be concerned with or be allowed to comment on the OP or original thread title. It is all Mac and all Zuul and their feud from here on out.

Can we get a mod to make this official? Its actually been a fun read.

To be fair... I am still talking about the Tier system and its inherent failures as well as explaining to anyone who wants to get to Tier 1 for whatever personal reason they have, exactly how to do it quickly. I mean it was a feature that was implemented while I was not playing the game for a while & thought it was pretty pointless and irrelevant. Just like the very limited number of Stats or the horribly designed Reward System... I only got to Tier 1 BECAUSE I was making a very specific point about it was irrelevant by demonstration to the piece of $hit liar I am "bickering" with.

But seeing as how someone made a thread about reaching Tier 1 then they obviously cared enough about it to do so... which means others probably care as well & they might like to know how to do it easily and quickly. Cause when the experience bar is just going to be an experience bar, might as well fill it up quickly to check that factor off the list of things to do for the OCD completionists out there. I was not playing all those god awful Mechs to get the gold star next to them on the skill list because I thought it was fun, I needed to get the gold star to complete them all (and now PGI is going to steal that away from me, PGI always makes things worse never better & abuses my love for battletech!!!!!!)

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 22 February 2017 - 06:15 PM.

[Bohxim]

Congrats! Now you're amongst the elites! I kid I kid. I still pull some derpy games now and then XD apologies if you ever get me on your team XD

[Revis Volek]

MacClearly, on 21 February 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

Here I am!!!

That is because you claims and timeframe have changed. Your stats don't support you having a solid weekend of doing a thousand damage a game. Oh and the bar moves slower than your claim. So I did not 'watch' you. You did not previously display your tier and then after a week of my making fun of you, your tier changed to one....

I myself went from 3/4 t3 to half t2 in about 2-3 weeks leveling Urban mechs playing 3-10 hours a week.

Its doesnt take very long at all actually.

Edited by Revis Volek, 22 February 2017 - 08:19 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

I_AM_ZUUL, on 22 February 2017 - 07:02 AM, said:

You should be putting LRMs on a Battlemaster.... on a 1S which is the second best LRM Assualt boat and 3rd best LRM boat in the game. But sure... people who are terrible are generally terrible everywhere including the Mechlab. But being a constant weight pulling your team down into defeats is why they are still Tier 3... being neutral or slightly bad should still raise the PSR.

My BLR comment was in relation to a BLC2C - Not even joking.

[Zergling]

justcallme A S H, on 22 February 2017 - 08:23 PM, said:

My BLR comment was in relation to a BLC2C - Not even joking.

There is nothing more infinite than potato incompetence and stupidity.

Every time I think I've seen it all, potatoes prove me wrong by doing something as mindbogglingly stupid as that. Then they double-down on the stupidity by insisting they are doing nothing wrong.

Edited by Zergling, 22 February 2017 - 09:27 PM.

[meteorol]

Gz op. Be pepared for nothing to change.

As for the side discussion... I'll just go ahead and say i didn't clear half of T2 in 20 hours (which would be like 170 matches at ~ 7 min match) and i never averaged below 400 matchscore for any season i played.

[Roadbuster]

FuhNuGi, on 21 February 2017 - 03:52 PM, said:

Revel in the change of gameplay as you have stepped up to the upper echelons of the mechwarrior populace...

Appreciate the differences in your teammates, as the level of gameplay at T1 is very different from T6...

/sarcasm ?

Deathlike, on 21 February 2017 - 04:32 PM, said:

Congrats, but you're just going to get more random potatoes in your drops.

Enjoy carrying!

nehebkau, on 21 February 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

Congratulations, your "Carry Harder" T-shirt is now in the mail. You also receive the "Window-licking Scrub" warhorn which sounds every time one of your team-mates dies in a stupid way...

^ this
I didn't get my warhorn though. Got to contact support about that

Zergling, on 21 February 2017 - 06:02 PM, said:

Thanks everyone!

As for the matchmaker... yeah, I've been frequently seeing obvious Tier 5 players for the last 2 months, which shouldn't have been possible for a Tier 2 player.

True.
As T2 player you should only have to carry T4 max.
T1 is when you start getting T5+ to test your carry skills. You know. The guys in green assault mechs who shoot LRMs at a target behind cover @1500m, or the tunnel-view-snipers with advanced zoom @100m, who shoot their teammates in the back.

But to see the full glory of these things, you'll have to die early.
This can sometimes be a challenge, because these guys only know 2 ways of dying.
1. run in and die in the first 3-4 minutes of the match
2. hide until they are the last ones alive before going into yolo-mode and dealing massive double-digit damage


But despite all that.
CONGRATULATIONS!

[Marius Evander]

I wish i was Tier5, would be so fun to roll in the cbill influx

[MacClearly]

I_AM_ZUUL, on 22 February 2017 - 04:22 PM, said:

Again... the entire point was to use LRMs which you do not think requires skill to use and accumulate lots of damage every game, so my supposed skill level is as irrelevant as W/L ratio. You really do not understand what constitute a "trick" do you... it is by definition "1. a cunning or skillful act or scheme intended to deceive or outwit someone.", the someone in this case was the arbitrary numbers that calculate PSR from the severely limited scope that the Reward System uses. So... using stats from all month where I am doing nothing else but playing unMastered mechs (and definitely not the good ones, since I did those long ago) for x2 XP every day, as the basis by judging if I can do I very specific trick on the PSR calculations using a mech that has some of the highest damage output in the game over the course of 20 hours across 2 days is so incongruous that even you are able to see it.

So every bit of your rebuttal is flawed since it is based upon the very things that I am tricking to do it... even to your anecdotal evidence backing your assertion that the PSR bar can NOT fill that fast. I watched it fill that fast by giving the calculations what it was looking for within its very limited scope... because that was the entire point I was making when I said I was going to do it and then did it, that it is highly skewed and if you are only looking at a very limited scope of events then it is easy to game. The limited number of variables makes it open to manipulation, just like caring about things like KDR which can be easily manipulated to make you look good. Of course doing those things to make your KDR is what makes you a terrible player because the vast majority of the ways to manipulate it is not only selfish but anti-team behavior... but your KDR stat can skyrocket if you want to manipulate it, just like psr can be manipulated.

More circular nonsense and chest pounding.

No one has seen any evidence by you that your bar went from half way through tier 2, to tier 1 in your claimed timeframe. This is just an unsubstantiated claim.

Your leaderboard stats and history don't show you as capable of having enough skill or especially during that timeframe (season 7) the numbers to pull it off. If you were capable of very simple math you could figure that out for yourself.

Nothing outside of actual hard evidence would ever convince me that this claim of yours was anything other than an outright lie. It is obvious that you don't have that evidence so you can continue spinning it won't make any difference.

[MacClearly]

Revis Volek, on 22 February 2017 - 08:18 PM, said:

I myself went from 3/4 t3 to half t2 in about 2-3 weeks leveling Urban mechs playing 3-10 hours a week.

Its doesnt take very long at all actually.

I am sure it wouldn't for you. You are an above average player.

You are also being a bit vague. 3-10, and 2-3 weeks. My argument about zuul's claim is his claim is specific and unlikely.

[MacClearly]

Bud Crue, on 22 February 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

I hereby dub this "Mac and Zuul's Thread of Bickering". None shall be concerned with or be allowed to comment on the OP or original thread title. It is all Mac and all Zuul and their feud from here on out.

Can we get a mod to make this official? Its actually been a fun read.

Obviously mods aren't paying any attention or zuul's childish name calling would have already been addressed.

[Amsro]

I've been sprinting to tier 1 recently last couple weeks.

Been playing a lot since december, went from edge of t3 to almost 3/4 full T2 since then.

Probably another week or 2 before T1.

And %50 of those matches were leveling mechs. I have too many mechs.

Panthers
Phoenix Hawks
Urban Mechs
Cataphract 0XP
Stalkers
Atlas'

As long as your team wins more then you lose you will be going up in tier.

[Amsro]

Revis Volek, on 21 February 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

Welcome and congrats!

You have graduated from Potatoe High!!


The game only really began for me once I hit T1, but it isnt the same as it was a long ago when PSR was first released.

Yeah if PSR didn't have a positive bias due to wins and instead was strictly connected to match score win or lose, you would see the spread of PSR be more accurate.

Hence why I am almost T1 when I probably should still be in T3.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

MacClearly, on 23 February 2017 - 06:09 AM, said:

Your leaderboard stats and history don't show you as capable of having enough skill or especially during that timeframe (season 7) the numbers to pull it off. If you were capable of very simple math you could figure that out for yourself.

It is not possible for you to as $tupid as you are pretending to be to keep repeating this fallacious argument. Since there is NO DAILY DAMAGE STATS then trying to use an entire month where I spent the other 29 days playing unmastered subpar mediums and light is not a reflection upon my skill overall. Especially when you look at just my Assault stats are damn good... Rank 111th by average Match score (seemed like at least half the people above me had 20 games or less), with a W/L of 1.25 & KDR of 2.58 when both of those were only side benefits that I was not even trying to farm. I was ONLY focused on farming damage to the point of pulling off hurt mechs to target fresh ones with better angles to continue my Damage output... so if they were more comprehensive Stats then that could be cited as a source, but as such you have to be full blown ret@rded to think that is something that has any meaning on the very specific example I am providing. PGI has all this data but they refuse to share it with the community... but that is a completely separate issue.

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 23 February 2017 - 12:20 PM.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

justcallme A S H, on 22 February 2017 - 08:23 PM, said:

My BLR comment was in relation to a BLC2C - Not even joking.

Terrifying that I knew exactly what you were referencing... cause people are that terrible. The 1S is great at LRMs though... baffles me why no one uses it when KGC & AS7 horrible LRM builds abound. I think they do it on purpose just to f*ck with people who are trying to win by seeing if they can be so much dead weight that even the other 11 players can not carrying them.

[meteorol]

MacClearly, on 23 February 2017 - 06:09 AM, said:

Your leaderboard stats and history don't show you as capable of having enough skill or especially during that timeframe (season 7) the numbers to pull it off. If you were capable of very simple math you could figure that out for yourself.

I_AM_ZUUL, on 23 February 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

It is not possible for you to as $tupid as you are pretending to be to keep repeating this fallacious argument. Since there is NO DAILY DAMAGE STATS then trying to use an entire month where I spent the other 29 days playing unmastered subpar mediums and light is not a reflection upon my skill overall. Especially when you look at just my Assault stats are damn good... Rank 111th by average Match score (seemed like at least half the people above me had 20 games or less), with a W/L of 1.25 & KDR of 2.58 when both of those were only side benefits that I was not even trying to farm. I was ONLY focused on farming damage to the point of pulling off hurt mechs to target fresh ones with better angles to continue my Damage output... so if they were more comprehensive Stats then that could be cited as a source, but as such you have to be full blown ret@rded to think that is something that has any meaning on the very specific example I am providing. PGI has all this data but they refuse to share it with the community... but that is a completely separate issue.

You guys are talking about different seasons. He is referring to your season 7 stats, which are just 299 avg. matchscore on a 0.97 w/l with a 1.52 k/d for assaults, while you are quoting season 6 stats. Just saying.

Gotta decide on the actual timeframe you are arguing about.

Edited by meteorol, 23 February 2017 - 12:29 PM.

[Mole]

@ ZUUL and MacClearly