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[dario03]

I thought "LRMAGGEDON" was reserved for when LRMs are flat out broken. Like when they had absurd splash damage, higher flight speed, or were headshotting everything.

[Elizander]

If you LOS + Tag + Artemis you can get one KMDD per 150-250 damage dealt which isn't too much of a waste. This assumes you have some backup lasers and aren't afraid to use them.

[Bishop Steiner]

Elizander, on 13 March 2017 - 04:52 AM, said:

If you LOS + Tag + Artemis you can get one KMDD per 150-250 damage dealt which isn't too much of a waste. This assumes you have some backup lasers and aren't afraid to use them.

Yes, but to do that, one actually has to play like they have a spine, which is counter to why most people seem to LRM. I'm not one of those snobs who think that LRMs = Bad 100% of the time, because with aggressive play, at least outside of Comp Tier they can be decent, and on some builds I like the flexibility of being able to add firepower to a teammate before I can get to LoS, also.

I certainly prefer a good 350 or so meter range and my own TAG locks, but when I'm running across the city and someone squawks for help and can provide a dorito while I'm closing into visual range, I'm also more than happy to make use of it. And I'll still never say no to a friend with a NARC or UAV.

I will say that one facet of the PTS I liked with the changes, is that LRM5boats saw a lot less added benefit than my LRM15 and 20 mechs. 2xaLRM20 with TAG and for instance full missile weapon Nodes and the Sensor Wed mostly unlocked? Really was a lot more effective than currently. My little 2xaLRM15/4x SPL Catapult was actually quite lovely fun. (If we get LFEs this summer, I may finally be able to switch back to 3xMPL +1xTAG again, but current alpha levels make me less than XL comfy in my Cats, atm)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 13 March 2017 - 05:11 AM.

[Steve Pryde]

A "LRM are OP"-thread?

LOL

[cazidin]

RestosIII, on 12 March 2017 - 10:08 PM, said:

No, LRMs haven't been buffed, and AMS hasn't been nerfed. Dear god please don't try to make a bad weapon worse.

LRMs are a very powerful weapon in the hands of a skilled MechWarrior, such as you or I. It takes hundreds of hours of practice to fully understand and utilize the versatility and long range benefits of LRMs! PGI. Please nerf, along with the latest and masterfully crafted Skill Tree.

[ZippySpeedMonkey]

The main issue is not the current damage values for LRM's it's the stacking of them that is the problem. ( e.g. The SuperNova with 4 LRM 20's )

The solution is quite simple though. For the longest time I've been suggesting that any ammo weapon you stack past 2 should start to jam.

Do this and the boating would stop real fast.

[Mcgral18]

ZippySpeedMonkey, on 13 March 2017 - 06:48 AM, said:

The main issue is not the current damage values for LRM's it's the stacking of them that is the problem. ( e.g. The SuperNova with 4 LRM 20's )

The solution is quite simple though. For the longest time I've been suggesting that any ammo weapon you stack past 2 should start to jam.

Do this and the boating would stop real fast.

2 Gauss, 2 PPC
2 UAC10 2 UAC5

6 AC2?...RIP

Problem solved

[mogs01gt]

KingCobra, on 12 March 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

This last few weeks in solo play LRM boats rule the battlefield even taking good cover and AMS lrm's are overpowering. I have to ask has PGI nerfed AMS?
Personally I think the missile arc is just way to high even in good cover the missiles Clan or IS are just flying up and over buildings and cover that they should not hit you.
So maybe we need a poll and try to get PGI to lower the missile arc some or maybe fix the AMS to work properly?

I havent notice any LRMs increase and have stopped taking Radar Derp on some of my mechs. LRMs are pretty useless unless you have good team work. All I see anymore are gauss+ppc mechs.


I forgot to add: And running into ******* McGral in his gawd damn marauder!! Taking months has made my play WEAK!

Edited by mogs01gt, 13 March 2017 - 07:13 AM.

[ZippySpeedMonkey]

Mcgral18, on 13 March 2017 - 06:52 AM, said:

2 Gauss, 2 PPC
2 UAC10 2 UAC5

6 AC2?...RIP

Problem solved

I actually have no problem with this.

The amount of space used for this combination of weapons and ammo makes it a poor overall design and thereby drastically cuts down on available heat sinks. Also, should the energy draw system (ever) be rolled out makes the Gauss / PPC combination a poor choice.

[Humpday]

I was talking to to people over VOIP about this and we were all laughing. My team had two lrm 80 boats and they literally were just hammering on people. It was so funny because when you're on the receiving end of that barrage you're screaming behind your computer WTF KILL THE FREAKING LRM BOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

We got some good laughs...then I got LRM'd to death by the other team...and I stopped laughing.

[Novakaine]

Well from the sheer lack of ams I see on the battlefield.
It's no wonder we see post like this.
Not that Nova is complaining.

[KingCobra]

BS said (Well, if we spent more time actually in the game, like him, and less time forumwarrioring, we probably wouldn't know how to use that great big "QUOTE" button, either. )


Thanks for all the insults People when you come on the forums A-holes will hate and ridicule that's just your nature.

The reason I cant use the quote fools is PGI branded my account and every since it has not worked no matter what browser I use or what I do to try and fix it So go stuff something where the sun don't shine.

And I do believe PGI had buffed missiles or nerfed AMS in stealth in the last patch or server side go play for a week on the Solo MM might change your minds or play some clans in FP?.

Edited by KingCobra, 13 March 2017 - 08:13 AM.

[Weeny Machine]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 March 2017 - 05:08 AM, said:

Yes, but to do that, one actually has to play like they have a spine, which is counter to why most people seem to LRM. I'm not one of those snobs who think that LRMs = Bad 100% of the time, because with aggressive play, at least outside of Comp Tier they can be decent, and on some builds I like the flexibility of being able to add firepower to a teammate before I can get to LoS, also.

I certainly prefer a good 350 or so meter range and my own TAG locks, but when I'm running across the city and someone squawks for help and can provide a dorito while I'm closing into visual range, I'm also more than happy to make use of it. And I'll still never say no to a friend with a NARC or UAV.

I will say that one facet of the PTS I liked with the changes, is that LRM5boats saw a lot less added benefit than my LRM15 and 20 mechs. 2xaLRM20 with TAG and for instance full missile weapon Nodes and the Sensor Wed mostly unlocked? Really was a lot more effective than currently. My little 2xaLRM15/4x SPL Catapult was actually quite lovely fun. (If we get LFEs this summer, I may finally be able to switch back to 3xMPL +1xTAG again, but current alpha levels make me less than XL comfy in my Cats, atm)

Not only that. I mean, for lights and brawlers lrms can be really really annoying. It pisses me off to stop attacking to avoid LRMs. Usually it means you take some shots while retreating.

This is actually also the problem with lock weapons. They make sniping even more preferable.

Edited by Bush Hopper, 13 March 2017 - 08:13 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Bush Hopper, on 13 March 2017 - 08:12 AM, said:

Not only that. I mean, for lights and brawlers lrms can be really really annoying. It pisses me off to stop attacking to avoid LRMs. Usually it means you take some shots while retreating.

This is actually also the problem with lock weapons. They make sniping even more preferable.

and one reason I still enjoy some having even a secondary lrm rack where possible. I don't face "All Comps, All the Time", and since people dunno if it's 5, or 50 LRMs when the alarm goes off, it's amazing how I can force people into cover, drive off an otherwise nuisancy light nipping at my teams Assault Mechs, etc.... and also be able to add meaningful damage in situations I otherwise couldn't help. My single aLRM15 on my VND-1AA has been a boon far more often than a detriment to me and my team, even if by itself it's rather unremarkable. But it still allows me to often dictate movement on the battlefield, which, if you can do that, you have a much better chance of winning.

Will it do much to stop a concerted EMP rush? No, but then, my VND packing a pair of PPC wouldn't, either. On the other hand It has been used successfully against other good comp units doing 4 mans and such, like NS or SJR or 228, on many occasions, driving their snipers to relocate, etc.

So no, they are n't great, but they can be, situationally, very useful.

KingCobra, on 13 March 2017 - 08:12 AM, said:

BS said (Well, if we spent more time actually in the game, like him, and less time forumwarrioring, we probably wouldn't know how to use that great big "QUOTE" button, either. )


Thanks for all the insults People when you come on the forums A-holes will hate and ridicule that's just your nature.

The reason I cant use the quote fools is PGI branded my account and every since it has not worked no matter what browser I use or what I do to try and fix it So go stuff something where the sun don't shine.

And I do believe PGI had buffed missiles or nerfed AMS in stealth in the last patch or server side go play for a week on the Solo MM might change your minds or play some clans in FP?.

When you decide to patronize and ridicule and insult everyone who answers your post, especially those who have markedly more experience and time in game.... are you really going to play the "OMG how dare you insult me" card?

Really? LOL.

let's just go look to your very first reply..... (courtesy the handy dandy "QOUTE" button)

KingCobra, on 12 March 2017 - 10:10 PM, said:

Restoslll said (No, LRMs haven't been buffed, and AMS hasn't been nerfed. Dear god please don't try to make a bad weapon worse. )
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I disagree and maybe you should play more and get off the forums more?

Yup, no one acting patronizing, snippy and superior here. So yes, keep ignoring anything that doesn't feed to your own little fictional narrative. Stay ignorant of the facts, and bad at the game.

Cheers.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 13 March 2017 - 08:31 AM.

[LastKhan]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 March 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

and one reason I still enjoy some having even a secondary lrm rack where possible. I don't face "All Comps, All the Time", and since people dunno if it's 5, or 50 LRMs when the alarm goes off, it's amazing how I can force people into cover, drive off an otherwise nuisancy light nipping at my teams Assault Mechs, etc.... and also be able to add meaningful damage in situations I otherwise couldn't help. My single aLRM15 on my VND-1AA has been a boon far more often than a detriment to me and my team, even if by itself it's rather unremarkable. But it still allows me to often dictate movement on the battlefield, which, if you can do that, you have a much better chance of winning.

Will it do much to stop a concerted EMP rush? No, but then, my VND packing a pair of PPC wouldn't, either. On the other hand It has been used successfully against other good comp units doing 4 mans and such, like NS or SJR or 228, on many occasions, driving their snipers to relocate, etc.

So no, they are n't great, but they can be, situationally, very useful.



When you decide to patronize and ridicule and insult everyone who answers your post, especially those who have markedly more experience and time in game.... are you really going to play the "OMG how dare you insult me" card?

Really? LOL.

let's just go look to your very first reply..... (courtesy the handy dandy "QOUTE" button)



Yup, no one acting patronizing, snippy and superior here. So yes, keep ignoring anything that doesn't feed to your own little fictional narrative. Stay ignorant of the facts, and bad at the game.

Cheers.

Have a disagreement with with what i say thats kinda true?! how dare you! how dare you cast such aspersions you big meanie! get out of your mother's basement! forums are so toxic.

Just another victim to mediocre lurms probably rekted by a team that runs narcs and lrms for fun. I need to get my lrm group together again that was fun watching a hailstorm of lrms slowly ticking away at the enemies armor.

[mogs01gt]

KingCobra, on 13 March 2017 - 08:12 AM, said:

BS said (Well, if we spent more time actually in the game, like him, and less time forumwarrioring, we probably wouldn't know how to use that great big "QUOTE" button, either. )
Thanks for all the insults People when you come on the forums A-holes will hate and ridicule that's just your nature.
The reason I cant use the quote fools is PGI branded my account and every since it has not worked no matter what browser I use or what I do to try and fix it So go stuff something where the sun don't shine.
And I do believe PGI had buffed missiles or nerfed AMS in stealth in the last patch or server side go play for a week on the Solo MM might change your minds or play some clans in FP?.

How is your title a vet title and yet you dont remember actual LRMaggedons?

nvm: fraction play title.

Edited by mogs01gt, 13 March 2017 - 09:17 AM.

[Skanderborg]

I know when I want to get smashed for cheap I drink king cobra. Its premium stuff!

[The Lobsters]

Bud Crue, on 13 March 2017 - 02:41 AM, said:

One of the last of the latter mechs is my Cat-C1. 2ALRM15s and 4ML.

The C1 is a great mech, but you can't seriously do Lrm's without a tag. Try it with Tag, less ammo and either 3 mpl's, 2 ml and 1 lpl, or 3 ml's and lrm 20's.

Then hunt, and kill the ecm mechs. That is your mission. If they move behind cover, follow them, piss in their cornflakes.

[Bishop Steiner]

The Lobsters, on 13 March 2017 - 09:40 AM, said:

The C1 is a great mech, but you can't seriously do Lrm's without a tag. Try it with Tag, less ammo and either 3 mpl's, 2 ml and 1 lpl, or 3 ml's and lrm 20's.

Then hunt, and kill the ecm mechs. That is your mission. If they move behind cover, follow them, piss in their cornflakes.

I can't fully agree with that.I used to run it with 3 lasers and TAG, but found most often if I was in a situation to keep TAG on them, I was also in laser range, etc, and have seen my scores go up without TAG, actually, as I'm not exposing myself for some of the shots I used to have with TAG. Now, if I don't have a dorito, I just move along, and such. 2 of my Archers pack TAG, and my scores havebeenbetter with my TAGless Cat.

Still, we get LFEs, I'll probably upgrade the lasers and go back to it..

[Monkey Lover]

Quote

jan 24


"

• AMS: Fixed an issue where certain angles of incoming fire could cause AMS not to react correctly."

After this fix my 3x ams on my kitfox has never worked as well as it used to. It still works but doesnt fire as much.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 13 March 2017 - 10:24 AM.