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[Edward Hazen]

Pariah Devalis, on 14 March 2017 - 10:41 PM, said:

The only true Clan of feline inclination, obviously.

Come join the Nova Cats. We have pot insane parties with fire pits and drums! We are also like... the anti-Jaguars. Seriously. About the only people who managed to stay mad at us were the Jaguars. And we helped exterminate them.


Well, and Dark Age Draconis Combine. But that never happened.... The Dark Ages was just a horrible story..... It never happened. Never.... Never.....

No thank you, I do not require medicinals or visions to bring the will of Kerensky to the Inner-Sphere surrats.

Edited by S0ulReapr, 14 March 2017 - 11:57 PM.

[Magik Jack]

Boom! nuff' said.

[Arkhangel]

@Pariah: well, I was a little iffy on the account, but the Dracs DID put up one hell of a fight on Luthien.

[mad kat]

Seriously PGI just shelve the skill tree indefinitely and concentrate on this. This is probably the most significant thing to do with balance (that bloody word again) and the game experience that has come out since the clans.

Do it.

[xXJ35T3RXx]

Rentier, on 14 March 2017 - 11:50 AM, said:

nice new tech outta there
doesn't make balancing easier thow ;p

I think this could foreshadow Protomechs for the clans.....

[Thinkagain01]

So much to say on both sides. But really PGI? First ghost heat and tonnage nerf. Now this game has completely lost it's lore based side.

[Kageru Ikazuchi]

Choices are good. Overall these are probably just going to be minor tweaks to things we already have, but I like the idea of more 'mechs being able to effectively equip different flavors of Gauss Rifles (or PPCs, or Lasers. or Streaks, or Auto Cannons, or Machine Guns etc.).

Light Fusion Engines will be a game changer. Light Ferro Armor will see some occasional use.

RACs, MRMs, ATMs, and Stealth Armor have potential to be balance nightmares (but this whole game is a balance nightmare).

New IS Tech:
- LB-X, U-AC ... OK.
- ERSL, ERML ... This will be very useful.
- Streak 4/6 ... I'd be happy without them for anyone, but OK.
- Light/Heavy Gauss ... these are going to be interesting.
- Rotary AC 2/5 ... The balance mechanics are interesting and probably will make the weapon only useful for LOLs.
- Light/Heavy MG ... I will be curious to see which lasers most effective pair up with which MGs.
- MRM 10/20/30/40 ... will they stream fire? That may be the only way to balance them without them being stupid slow.
- Rocket Launcher 10/15/20 ... LOL.
- Light/Heavy/Snub Nose PPC ... It will be nice to have more choices.
- Light Fusion Engine ... This will bring balance between Clan and IS within reach.
- Light Ferro Armor ... will be occasionally useful.
- Stealth Armor ... concerning ... see below
- TC ... OK
- LAMS ... LOL ... see below.

New Clan Tech:
- Light/Heavy MG; ERUL, UPL; HSL, HML, HLL ... I will be curious to see which lasers most effective pair up with which MGs. The largest benefit from Heavy Lasers will be felt by 'mechs whose firepower is currently limited by tonnage and hard points (LBK, I'm looking at you).
- Light TAG ... whatever.
- ATM 3/6/9/12 ... This will be interesting, depending on the missile speed, lock-on characteristincs, etc.
- Light Active Probe ... choices are good.
- LAMS ... LOL ... see below.


Stealth Armor has me concerned ...

The balance between "OMG, must have" and "what a worthless piece of garbage" will be difficult to maintain. ECM balance between IS and Clan right now is kind of out of whack. Clan has 5 OmniMech chassis and one BattleMech variant that can equip ECM, most can be very useful in many appropriate roles.

Inner Sphere has thirteen BattleMech variants. It will be interesting to see whether or not the new tech (including LFE and SA) makes them "must bring" 'mechs again ... particularly for Faction Warfare.


Laser Anti-Missile System has be laughing out loud ...

I like the idea, but overheating a LAMS-equipped 'mech with chain-fired LRM-5s will be gold. Do they only fit on AMS hardpoints, LAMS hardpoints, or any energy hardpoint? (If the latter, I welcome our new 9-13+-LAMS overlords.)


Obligatory Skill Tree-Related Gripe: It's a shame that you will charge me over and over again to try out the effect of different skills on the same 'mechs when swapping out weapons. Would it be possible to unlock skill re-spec for the testing grounds?

[Arkhangel]

@Kageru: pretty sure LAMS will just go on AMS hardpoints. it IS an AMS, after all.

[Lily from animove]

Naglinator, on 14 March 2017 - 11:49 AM, said:

Glad there is no IS bias in this... oh wait....

Naglinator, on 14 March 2017 - 12:03 PM, said:

So the IS gets all the normal, cooler lasers and now ALL the ER variants. Leaving the clans with just the new heavy variety which are too hot regardless(ER PPCs will laugh at the Heavy Larges heat). The IS gets all the good AC's and now all the Ultra variants and Rotary. Clans get same ****** UAC's... There is too much PPC/Guass boating so guess what THREE new PPCs and TWO new guass. Yeah, that'll fix the meta. Oh yeah, ALL IS weapons. Clans get the ATM, good thing PGI learned how to code multipe ammo types.. oh wait no. They didnt. So are they streaks, lrms, srms?? Probably just SRMS with more dmg... But that's alright, the clans get new armour types... nope wait... IS.... Oh i forgot, game is now balanced 'cause both sides get the same machine guns....

Outside of Mech 2 Mercs, this was the only 3050 game and it was neat to have some asymmetry. Guess not anymore.

yes it's is bias, because guess what, that era is when Is upped their tech primarily.

And unless we know heat levels and damage values and ranges there isn't much to say about if it's bioased or not.

IS may be better in min maxing terms then because they will now have a lot more different lasers to choose from because with the current way of balance ebtween them, they will have to fill gaps (and give PGI a hard time to proeprly fin niches for all Is lasers then). The problem PGI sits in frotn is really to balance stuff now properly because they had to balance different techs to each other, which made them giving is advantages. Now they would have to cater in that is has a similar tech and the old one.

And given these new balance stuff to be made it was probably mcuh better not bringing the skill tree at this moment.

[Haazheel IIC]

I have to admit, im pretty excited about this new stuff, offers various new possibilites and combined with the skill tree we have nearly a new game! ill have to rethink all my exisiting builds but thats exactly what motivates me to continue play MWO.

[ShooteyMcShooterson]

Bleit, on 14 March 2017 - 12:10 PM, said:

I'm not gonna lie, the clanner bitching is going to be so sweet and savory...delicious tears...



(all meant in good fun, kiddies)

I wonder how sweet it will be when Clan players get pissed off at the fact they have to pay the same money as IS players, but get a purposefully limited selection of mechs and weapons to play with, and quit playing the game?

PGI is so damn petty about it, even the effects for Clan weapons have been made palpably lamer.

It's one thing to "balance" the game. This more closely resembles an inferior gaming experience.

[Zuesacoatl]

Pariah Devalis, on 14 March 2017 - 10:41 PM, said:

The only true Clan of feline inclination, obviously.

Come join the Nova Cats. We have pot insane parties with fire pits and drums! We are also like... the anti-Jaguars. Seriously. About the only people who managed to stay mad at us were the Jaguars. And we helped exterminate them.



Well, and Dark Age Draconis Combine. But that never happened.... The Dark Ages was just a horrible story..... It never happened. Never.... Never.....

ohhh god, thank you Pariah, I hated the DA story, it was just soooooo bad

[G SE7EN7]

Wow PGI... you may have just saved MWO... Wow you thought of this? Impressed!!!

[Sniper09121986]

xXJ35T3RXx, on 15 March 2017 - 01:07 AM, said:

I think this could foreshadow Protomechs for the clans.....

Probably never going to happen, but OMG YES PLS

Spoiler

[Ketzer08]

Looks like this will be the best year of MWO since release
Any plans on public beta test of new weapons?

[Nimnul]

Frost Lord, on 14 March 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

don't forget clan tech is still better. for example your er lasers will still out range and out damage IS. Ultras will way more and have less range. ATM and MRM are fairly simaler except ATMs have more options and MRMs fire more in a selvo eg a ATM 9 can out range a MRM but it will do less damage then a MRM 10 but the ATM could use shorter range missiles giving it 2 or even 3 damage per a missile giving it less range then a MRM but more damage. also having 40 missiles could be a bit over kill i dont take an srm 6 unless i have Artemas or it sits vertically on the mech clan machine guns are still all lighter, and streaks whey more and have less range.

What kind of lies? The sphere receives ER med laser. And it has better duration.

Edited by Nimnul, 15 March 2017 - 03:31 AM.

[Arkaiko]

Nimnul, on 14 March 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

I want more weapons for clans!

Finally appears a patch (which has not yet come out) that gives the IS the same weapons of the clans, and are you crying because the clans "need" more?

pffff... cmon, at least the IS wait to be powned in CW to ask nerfs

[jper4]

nice to see lights finally get some ballistic options other than "hmm MGs or use up 6 tons for an AC2"

[Arkaiko]

Yeonne Greene, on 14 March 2017 - 09:56 PM, said:

In this thread: so many "Clanners" revealing themselves to only be in it for the tech advantage. Ha!

so agreed.

Thinkagain01, on 15 March 2017 - 01:11 AM, said:

So much to say on both sides. But really PGI? First ghost heat and tonnage nerf. Now this game has completely lost it's lore based side.

what about range and damage?

[MovinTarget]

Hmmm. Lore-mongers crying

Twitch players crying (clan ones anyway)

We are achieving balance!

My formula is:
Balance = all parts of the community are equally salty