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[Blue Boutique]

Like the title says, sell it to me as I have no idea how this will be used as lights won't get much weight saving and assaults need every space needed for heatsinks and ammo. Even if we could use the weight saving, we're getting the extra light engine that pretty much shelves the STD/FF builds that could tank.

Edited by Blue Boutique, 14 March 2017 - 03:19 PM.

[Alan Davion]

Blue Boutique, on 14 March 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

Like the title says, sell it to me as I have no idea how this will be used as lights won't get much weight saving and assaults need every space needed for heatsinks and ammo. Even if we could use the weight saving, we're getting the extra light engine that pretty much shelves the STD/FF builds that could tank.

We already have Extra Light Engines. Now we're getting Light Engines. LFEs only net you a 25% weight savings instead of the 50% of XLEs.

But 25% less weight saved is a damn good trade off for not instantly dying the second one side torso or the other gets breached.

[Scout Derek]

You'll be able to use both it and Endo and have reasonable space and crit slots.

Better as far as saving tonnage goes for larger Mechs with bigger guns and alot of crit slots. Combined with LFE and you can mount some serious loadouts.

[FupDup]

If you already have Endo and have 7 slots left over, you can add on Light Ferro to save a very very tiny amount of tonnage.

[Acehilator]

It is going to be a pretty niche thing. But given that it takes almost no resources to include it, it is nice that they did.

[Y E O N N E]

Light Ferro is what is going to let you ditch the XL engine for an LFE on a 52-point Heavy 'Mech laser boat. You pay a net of five slots to gain about a ton, which will enable you to tip your engine past 350 at 75 tons.

It will enable you to carry a few big weapons on Assaults (HPPC, Gauss) and the ammo to feed them while having a larger engine with more internal sinks.

That said, if PGI also decided to enable Small Cockpit and XL Gyro upgrades, the deal would become very sweet indeed.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 14 March 2017 - 03:40 PM.

[Blue Boutique]

Scout Derek, on 14 March 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

You'll be able to use both it and Endo and have reasonable space and crit slots.

Better as far as saving tonnage goes for larger Mechs with bigger guns and alot of crit slots. Combined with LFE and you can mount some serious loadouts.

Not buying it, I can just strip 3 points of armor per section for an Atlas and save that crit space for ammo or DHS.

[Scout Derek]

Blue Boutique, on 14 March 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

Not buying it, I can just strip 3 points of armor per section for an Atlas and save that crit space for ammo or DHS.

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[Moonlight Grimoire]

For those who don't want to strip armor off of mechs that can't afford it (see mechs under 65 tons) that have Endo already but can't fit ferro on as well but have 7 slots open. Get that max armor, extra tonnage into the engine, any slots left over if you can't put into engine you can instead put into like ammo, or ams+ams ammo or whatever. Basically while it isn't as great as Ferro (which is meh) it still is an option for builds to squeeze a little bit more out of their mech. It is not for all and will like ferro usually go unused.

[GreenHell]

For people like me who are CONSTANTLY tinkering with mechs to find the absolute MOST that I can cram onto any given mech, this is a FANTASTIC addition! Any mech that had 7 spaces left over in its build will almost certainly be rebuilt to include LFF and make use of that extra .5 or 1 ton to add more armor or engine.

If you're the kind of person who just HAS to fill every slot on your mech, then this might be for you.

[Rekkon]

Acehilator, on 14 March 2017 - 03:34 PM, said:

It is going to be a pretty niche thing. But given that it takes almost no resources to include it, it is nice that they did.

This, basically. You use it when you cannot spare the slots for full Endo or when you have enough slots for Endo but not Endo and Ferro. Either way, the effect will be minor. Switching from standard to FF on a max-armor Atlas saves you a hair more than 2 tons (so 2 tons effectively). Lighter mechs save less, and they are going to be the only ones that can really benefit from it, so I expect a narrow range of builds where LFF saves you .5-1.0 tons.

Edited by Rekkon, 14 March 2017 - 04:54 PM.

[A Man In A Can]

Think of all the places IS DHS's can't be installed, on an energy boat that needs all the space for DHS. Endo doesn't work in that situation, but LFF would.

[needforsleep]

Running XLFE, Endo and Ferro isnt viable on IS mechs, besides lights, because its uses up a huge amount of crit space to use all 3. you wind up with the problem that although you wind up with quite a few extra tons, you cant actually use them since you run out of crits well before you run out of tonnage. However, with Light Ferro, you only take up 27 crit slots when paired with XLFE and Endo instead of 34 crits with standard Ferro-Fiberous. This opens up a new horizons for a lot of builds, especially ballistic builds, that are very tonnage dense like AC/2 builds. Honestly, I mostly see this as a boon for 75 ton+ ballistic boats, that have a lot of free space, that could use an extra ton or so of armor, but im sure you can find use for it on a variety of set ups as long as they arent too crit hungry

[MauttyKoray]

Blue Boutique, on 14 March 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

Like the title says, sell it to me as I have no idea how this will be used as lights won't get much weight saving and assaults need every space needed for heatsinks and ammo. Even if we could use the weight saving, we're getting the extra light engine that pretty much shelves the STD/FF builds that could tank.

Basically Light FF and LFE's are the 'midground' option.

Light FF will be useful for builds that always had weight to spare but not enough crit slots to make use of it with an XL while also having enough crit slots but no spare tonnage to make use of them.

LFE's won't quite save as much weight as XLs but avoid the torso loss death, however I assume this engine will come with similar penalties that the Clam XLs do. (or at least a version of penalties in the same manner)

Edited by MauttyKoray, 14 March 2017 - 05:51 PM.

[Mcgral18]

FupDup, on 14 March 2017 - 03:26 PM, said:

If you already have Endo and have 7 slots left over, you can add on Light Ferro to save a very very tiny amount of tonnage.

For the same cost of cFF, you get under a third of the results...


This is one of the things they just need to fudge hard, but with implementing LFF, they can't just buff isFF...unless they just keep the same 1/2 performance.


6% LFF 7 slots
12% isFF 14 slots
20% cFF 7 slots

I do wish to know what PGI's stance on LegacyTech™ is

With the LFE incoming, will the STD be left to rot?

[Escef]

Blue Boutique, on 14 March 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

Not buying it, I can just strip 3 points of armor per section for an Atlas and save that crit space for ammo or DHS.

Converting an Atlas from a 350 standard and endo steel to a 350 to 360 LFE with LFF opens 3 crits and saves some tonnage. Maybe swap MLs to LLs.

[Blue Boutique]

Mcgral18, on 14 March 2017 - 05:51 PM, said:

I do wish to know what PGI's stance on LegacyTech™ is

With the LFE incoming, will the STD be left to rot?

The conditions that makes them useful, faster repair due to numerous spares compare to rare new tech that's just coming off the line, no longer applies to legacy to public MWO so yeah, they are being left behind.

[Kaeb Odellas]

My Yen-Lo-Wang can only bring 3 tons of AC20 ammo with both FF and Endo steel due to crit slot restrictions. Light FF would allow me to carry 4 if I knock the engine down a notch.

[Xetelian]

You're not going to be using it a lot of the time, especially not with LFE taking up 4 slots.

I think there will be some min/max-ing builds that utilize the .5 to 1 ton of savings but I doubt it'll set a new standard for building around.


Stealth armor is going to be the real game changer, it is essentially heat generating ECM for mechs that can afford it but don't carry ECM on their own as far as I can tell. Could be wrong, I don't know Table Top rules very well and I'm just going by the text they put next to the announcement.

[Y E O N N E]

Stealth armor requires ECM to work.