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[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 March 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

But the side torso bombs... and you won't have tonnage to fit heavy PPCs along with it because you have to use a STD... 1 Heavy PPC maybe though. Still... Dire speed..



Ughhh I'll take it under advisement... let me finish this match.

Is harder to do than it looks, no?

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 March 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

Is harder to do than it looks, no?

Well its tough to include every single mech, and some of them would just be bad adds. I tried to include things that I've heard of a lot coupled with mechs that would actually be effective. Vapor Eagle actually does fit that description.

I guess it is biased towards trying to add useful and interesting things to the game. Is that so bad though?

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 15 March 2017 - 04:19 PM.

[Amaranth Panther]

Wintersdark, on 15 March 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

I'd like to see a vote for everything version, so that I could elect to NOT vote in a lot of them as I simply have no opinion. In many classes, we've already got everything I care about and as such wouldn't want to skew things.

Gas Guzzler, on 15 March 2017 - 03:06 PM, said:

Yeah I had a thought that if one could vote for everything, it would be easy to see what is desired vs what is not desired, where as I find myself thinking I would like several mechs in a Class. If I get a couple more of the same feedback I will change it to a vote for everything poll.

Also, Clan Mediums in particular I had a tough time with... as literally before these mech discussions over the past couple years, the Black Lanner is the only one I had heard of that isn't in game.

Could use some help there.

Voting a la carte, yes please.

There are a couple of the tech base/weight class combos for which I want multiples, and a couple for which I'm unmoved by any (and have no suggestion).

Also, please make 2 choices for Kingfisher, so I can vote twice for it. (I'm mostly joking here.)

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 March 2017 - 04:13 PM, said:

and some of them would just be bad adds.

And that is the first issue....
"and some of them would be bad adds".... already, your opinion, or possibly the Competitive Scene's view of what is, or is not worth adding, sneaks in. Making it... biased.

98% of us are not competitive players. We actually sometimes LIKE mechs that are technically, bad. You can't rail against PGI using CK16's poll, "because it's biased" and then counter, by posting your own, biased poll. For it to be unbiased, those bad robots have to go in, too. And if the community as a whole votes for the bad robot...then no matter what Mt Tryhard thinks..that is the robot PGI should add, my friend.

Seriously, not being a **** here, but I am just being honest.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 March 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

And that is the first issue....
"and some of them would be bad adds".... already, your opinion, or possibly the Competitive Scene's view of what is, or is not worth adding, sneaks in. Making it... biased.

98% of us are not competitive players. We actually sometimes LIKE mechs that are technically, bad. You can't rail against PGI using CK16's poll, "because it's biased" and then counter, by posting your own, biased poll. For it to be unbiased, those bad robots have to go in, too. And if the community as a whole votes for the bad robot...then no matter what Mt Tryhard thinks..that is the robot PGI should add, my friend.

Seriously, not being a **** here, but I am just being honest.

Did I rail on Ck16's poll? Nope. I just thought the winners weren't the best picks.

There are definitely plenty of non-tryhard picks there... so ??

Literally... Sunder, Hollander, AVATAR, Battle Cobra, those are not tryhard picks. TURKINA AND KINGFISHER TOO!

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 15 March 2017 - 04:22 PM.

[Anjian]

I am still going for the MW4 "revival" with:

The Argus
The Novacat
The Templar
The Longbow

Argus with HMGs

Edited by Anjian, 15 March 2017 - 04:24 PM.

[Scout Derek]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 March 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

98% of us are not competitive players.

Pretty close; some of us like putting flammers or funky builds on our mechs.

I can be competitive, but I don't like it cause it can get real boring running meta.

One week I absolutely refused to touch my PPC poptart summoner because I wanted to be less meta and run something fun. I may have lost some matches but I still did alright.

This stretch though I wanna grind up some cbills with my meta brawl shawk.

Gas Guzzler, on 15 March 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

Literally... Sunder, Hollander, AVATAR, Battle Cobra, those are not tryhard picks. TURKINA AND KINGFISHER TOO!

Battle Cobra sounds tryhard

[Alan Davion]

What? No Dervish? Crusader? Charger?

Just cause we're jumping to 3067 doesn't mean we can leave the 3025'ers out.

[Gas Guzzler]

Alan Davion, on 15 March 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

What? No Dervish? Crusader? Charger?

Just cause we're jumping to 3067 doesn't mean we can leave the 3025'ers out.

They seem kind of boring with all the new stuff but I guess we can add those.

The Crusader is hot garbage, so if that wins, I will be pissed.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 15 March 2017 - 04:27 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Literally, the Crusader is the most uninteresting mech they could possible add, its 100% nostalgia, and the IS has enough fracking nostalgia. I added it in the interest of not being biased, but wtf people. Its not going to be fun to drive.

Doesn't it have leg weapons? How have they handled that in the past?

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 March 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

Did I rail on Ck16's poll? Nope. I just thought the winners weren't the best picks.

There are definitely plenty of non-tryhard picks there... so ??

Literally... Sunder, Hollander, AVATAR, Battle Cobra, those are not tryhard picks. TURKINA AND KINGFISHER TOO!

I'm just using your own words man. Again I ain't bashing you, just showing it is very hard ot put together a non biased poll. I'd say almost impossible.

Gas Guzzler, on 15 March 2017 - 04:30 PM, said:

Literally, the Crusader is the most uninteresting mech they could possible add, its 100% nostalgia, and the IS has enough fracking nostalgia. I added it in the interest of not being biased, but wtf people. Its not going to be fun to drive.

Doesn't it have leg weapons? How have they handled that in the past?

Actually, the Crusader has a ton of potential, as it has a great blend of hardpoints, and some models even jump.

As for the leg SRms, they would be moved tot he appropriate ST, same as the MGs from the Cicada.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 March 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

I'm just using your own words man. Again I ain't bashing you, just showing it is very hard ot put together a non biased poll. I'd say almost impossible.


Actually, the Crusader has a ton of potential, as it has a great blend of hardpoints, and some models even jump.

As for the leg SRms, they would be moved tot he appropriate ST, same as the MGs from the Cicada.

You might be confusing me with someone else, because I never railed on CK's poll.

I remember SSWing the Crusader and finding NOTHING to do with it other than quad SRM6 w/A, 2 in arms, 2 in torsos.

[Wintersdark]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 March 2017 - 04:30 PM, said:

Literally, the Crusader is the most uninteresting mech they could possible add, its 100% nostalgia, and the IS has enough fracking nostalgia. I added it in the interest of not being biased, but wtf people. Its not going to be fun to drive.
We
Doesn't it have leg weapons? How have they handled that in the past?

Leg -> ST.

The basic Crusader would sport 4M2B2E. It'd look awesome, with a smexy bubble cockpit.

2M/2E/2B in the arms, and the leg 2M split to the ST's. Not so bad, certainly not "hot garbage", and that's assuming no hardpoints inflation.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 March 2017 - 04:36 PM, said:

You might be confusing me with someone else, because I never railed on CK's poll.

I remember SSWing the Crusader and finding NOTHING to do with it other than quad SRM6 w/A, 2 in arms, 2 in torsos.

Just because you don't think it's good...doesn't mean it shouldn't be represented.

Even without hardpoint inflation it has 4 missiles, 2 energy and 2 ballistics.

We now are adding Light and Snub Node PPCs, MRMs, RAC2 and RAC5. I'm sure there is plenty lots of us could do with it.

Also by your own words, I meant:"and some of them would be bad adds"
And pretty much the genesis of my challenging people to make their own poll was people complaining about CKs biased poll. So while you may not have said anything directly, it is the genesis of all this stuff, over all.

Also, 65 tons, JJs, LFEs, and 8-10 hardpoints? And all you can do is 4x aSRM6? C?MON BRO!! THINK OUTSIDE THE META!

Don't make me go all Hell's Kitchen on you!

[Y E O N N E]

Mmmm, Raptor!

[Bishop Steiner]

oh..and about the Crusader? Forget the meta rationale....

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 March 2017 - 04:43 PM, said:

Just because you don't think it's good...doesn't mean it shouldn't be represented.

Well I added it a while ago!

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 March 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

Well I added it a while ago!

you so hate me right now!

[Y E O N N E]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 March 2017 - 04:43 PM, said:

Also by your own words, I meant:"and some of them would be bad adds"
And pretty much the genesis of my challenging people to make their own poll was people complaining about CKs biased poll. So while you may not have said anything directly, it is the genesis of all this stuff, over all.

I am the one who railed on his poll, and it was biased because the a lot of voting was done before there were any significant IS 'Mechs on it; the ones that were there were largely "for funsies," which would have been fine if they were like the Clan "for funsies" 'Mechs and actually good, but they weren't. The good ones got added with time after protests, but how many people do you think went back to change their vote?

[Gas Guzzler]

I'm trying to be pretty active with updates, have done 4 edits and its only been a couple hours.

Bishop Steiner, on 15 March 2017 - 04:47 PM, said:

you so hate me right now!

YES!