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[PhoenixFire55]

Escef, on 24 March 2017 - 01:04 AM, said:

Dude, let's put this into perspective for you. You are a guy that believes it's ok to treat other human beings like s*** over a video game.

I'm a guy who believes it's ok to treat other human beings exactly like they deserve to be treated. But then again, I've clearly said that already.

[PhoenixFire55]

NetherlightWolf, on 24 March 2017 - 01:05 AM, said:

Okay let's look at this from a purely statistical and objective standpoint. In what % of games would you deem that your team is useless and you're the only one doing work.

I've only replied to this thread since I've called my team useless yesterday once again. As I've said half the team failed to breach 50 dmg and nobody else managed even 200 dmg. How often that happens? ... I'd say 2-3% of my matches. Doubt its more often than that.

NetherlightWolf, on 24 March 2017 - 01:05 AM, said:

Have you tried asking them why their damage is low? Did they get focused early? If so, why?

Look, one person can screw up, get focused early, get ganged up by lights and so on, this one person's damage will be low. However, if the entire team damage is low it means that while someone is being focused or ganged up the rest of the team does nothing but running away and hiding. Even if you are standing 50m away from the guy being focused and will get focused 5 seconds later the same way you'll have to manage at least 100 dmg more than the previous guy, the next guy will do another 100 more and so on. Thats given perfect focused fire from the opposing team, which clearly never happens in PUGs.

NetherlightWolf, on 24 March 2017 - 01:05 AM, said:

Were they running a LRM boat and the enemy team had more ECM than god?
Maybe they were running a snipe set up and got saddled with a map not conducive to sniping.

Its not my problem what they bring. If someone brings a certain mech he is responsible for being able to play it. You gotta love those LRM pros and your general "hold locks" comment that translates into "help me play my mech coz I clearly can't do it myself". As for sniping and brawling ... "sniper" weapons work at all ranges and there isn't a single map in MWO that isn't "conducive" to sniping. Same way there are always opportunities in PUGs to close in with a brawler and since brawlers have higher DPS they can easily dish out 300-500 dmg in mere seconds.

There are of course at times those horrendous facepalming builds, but then again, someones mechlab fail is exactly that - their fail.

NetherlightWolf, on 24 March 2017 - 01:05 AM, said:

There is a lot of reasons why someone's damage may be low beyond 'lol u suxxorz! go headbutt a train you noob!!!1!'. Just calling your team useless is giving me the vibe you might not be seeing the bigger picture.

As I've just explained, there are lots of reasons why one or two people from your team can end up with low scores. However if your entire team ends up with low scores it only means one thing ... it was full of bads, nothing more, nothing less.

[Escef]

PhoenixFire55, on 24 March 2017 - 01:34 AM, said:

Since they believe its ok for them to play a team game while doing everything possible to drag their team to a loss and thus sap out all the fun from the game for others and entirely nullify their teammates efforts ... yeah, they do. So, right back at ya, snowflake.

Oh, PhoenixFire55 needs his safe space, he's been triggered... What a freakin' baby.

[PhoenixFire55]

Escef, on 24 March 2017 - 01:37 AM, said:

Oh, PhoenixFire55 needs his safe space, he's been triggered... What a freakin' baby.

Heh, I find it funny how you come to the thread on your high horse to point fingers at the "bad guy who is being toxic to his teammates" and yadda yadda and when you clearly have no arguments left you have nothing but insults spewing out of ya. Now please tell me how that is also my fault ... lol

[rollermint]

SQW, on 24 March 2017 - 12:37 AM, said:

When you get 2-12 matches and you see your 3MPLs RVN out-shoot 3 of the assaults on the scoreboard, it's time call it as it is - useless team.

Yet I bet you and many of your ilk had plenty of games where your team won but you ended up dead early with subpar scores or <100 damage dealt. Not just you but everyone who ever played this game, even the best players and the top leaderboard. Every one.

**** happens, one game you could be scoring 1k damages and the very next game you became the worst potato on the team. It happens to everyone. Its just that for some people, they want everyone to believe they never performed poorly, yet many time they were the ones who died foolishly early and deprived their team of their mechs and firepower.

[Escef]

PhoenixFire55, on 24 March 2017 - 01:40 AM, said:

Heh, I find it funny how you come to the thread on your high horse to point fingers at the &quot;bad guy who is being toxic to his teammates&quot; and yadda yadda and when you clearly have no arguments left you have nothing but insults spewing out of ya. Now please tell me how that is also my fault ... lol

This is all you've got, isn't it? Your life away from the keyboard is so sad, lonely, and powerless that the best you can do is treat faceless strangers online like s***.

I bet you feel unappreciated at work, your kids (if you have any) have no respect for you and treat you like an ATM, and your romantic relationships are nonexistent or effectively dead... That or you're a teenager.

Seriously, get into therapy. Maybe a mild antidepressant. It'll do you a world of good.

[qS Sachiel]

It's contextual. Your example goes a way of explaining it but perhaps not far enough.
I've seen multiple games where the team is 50-50 split heavy support (slow) and slow-mediums running at 60-70 or so

The heavies can't move fast enough, and must keep up with the group for survival. The medium speeds are able to outrun the heavies but lack the maneuverability to properly establish a flank. They still try for a flank, heavies get cut off, and either a route occurs due to capture victory, or the tail of the unit dies one-by-one as the mediums are off playing tag.

[PhoenixFire55]

Escef, on 24 March 2017 - 01:50 AM, said:

This is all you've got, isn't it? Your life away from the keyboard is so sad, lonely, and powerless that the best you can do is treat faceless strangers online like s***.

I bet you feel unappreciated at work, your kids (if you have any) have no respect for you and treat you like an ATM, and your romantic relationships are nonexistent or effectively dead... That or you're a teenager.

Seriously, get into therapy. Maybe a mild antidepressant. It'll do you a world of good.

And its still kinda funny how you point fingers at the mirror ... lol

[Escef]

PhoenixFire55, on 24 March 2017 - 01:56 AM, said:

And its still kinda funny how you point fingers at the mirror ... lol

Hey, I tried treating you like an adult. You want to act like spoiled child, that's fine. To the block list you go.

[Lhunara]

I've seen such teams so many times, I don't even bother to chide them anymore.

They can't shoot straight, they have the situational awareness of a stone and they cant follow instructions.

Pressing R is very hard for them too.

Oh well.

[PhoenixFire55]

qS Sachiel, on 24 March 2017 - 01:54 AM, said:

The heavies can't move fast enough, and must keep up with the group for survival.

That isn't true. A large enough group of slow mechs (3+) is more than enough for survival as it is. A heavy/assault lance can withstand an onslaught of an entire enemy team long enough for the remaining two lances of faster mechs to do their thing, of course as long as they actually have a clue and don't rush into the open trying to chase the train that moves faster than they do ...

However, when your slow lance gets nuked by (I quote) "an entire enemy team" (i.e. enemy heavies and assaults included), a proper question would be to ask "how is it the enemy heavies and assaults are already there, while our heavies and assaults are still there"? ... Maybe coz someone was actually moving towards the enemy and not hiding in the bushes 1km behind the frontline, eh?

Sometimes you gotta just turn around and recieve, but since PUGs are always about yourself and yourself only it is always "that other guy" that has to tank and hold locks for ya ...

[Duke Nedo]

Escef, on 23 March 2017 - 11:48 PM, said:

Sometimes it's a bad combination of play styles. For example, I'm very aggressive in play, and a disproportionate number of players are ludicrously timid. One guy, often me, says push, throttles up, and it turns into a solo rush... At this point the team is now down a man with little gained. I've seen teams that were up by 5 kills that still played timid.

Now, I'm the first to say that I'm too aggressive. But the gutless wonders I see in this game blow my mind. Why even log in and play if you're dead set on not fighting?

Exactly this! It happens a lot and if I am a bit tired it will steam me up a bit. Then it happens that I write something I regret. I usually don't tell people how bad they are but rather blame the MM for putting them all on my team. Just as bad I guess.

But everyone has to agree it's incredibly frustrating when you know what you need to do to win a certain matchup in the pug queue and try to tell them to for example push E5. You go along, and then in the minds of my most esteemed team mates... "...red dorito ahead and I only have 3 mechs between me and the enemy, I'd rather turn back a bit and get 10 people between me and the enemy. No wait, the others do the same, I better go and plant my Dire Potato behind this cosy hill instead." I too often find myself alone and isolated in the spot where everyone would need to be to win the match.

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[Wil McCullough]

Maybe im a callous arshole but i dont consider a statement of "team effing sucks" anywhere near the realm of "treating people like ****".

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Let me share an experience that just happened:

I'm in a sub optimal Crab loadout, 2LL 3ML, I end up pulling 3 kills on Domination, 2 of which were against assults and one vs another medium. We're doing domination on Grim, now let's be honest, DOmination on Grim, isn't difficult, the dom spot is in one place, and both sides have ample cover to cap... but NOO, our team lets the enemy get down to 30% cap before I have to go stand in the ******* circle because none of the team can.

So, I then spend my time using large lasers at range trying to keep everything the enemy's throwing our way off the cap, and discouraged from attacking me. My AMS is working overtime and I'm not getting paid enough for this **** man.

So our team get's utterly decimated till it's me, and one useless Assassin that didn't know his *** from a hole in the ground, I get ******* circle strafed to death by a SPIDER of all things, and then so does the other guy, when the spider was cherry red torso and ready to pop with a stiff breeze.. because the assassin couldn't ******* gun his way out of a paper bag!


So yeah, when your first game of the day, starts like this... and you get a ******* = to PSR after dropping 2 assaults and a medium in a suboptimal medium mech, because your team snatched defeat from the jaws of victory... sometimes you just get right pissed.

[Bud Crue]

Had sort of the opposite experience of the OP earlier this week. Instead of a rager ignorant of their own bad performance, we had a pair of players with delusions of grandeur who were ignorant of their own bad performance.

Was part of a 6 man in group queue QP. 2 very vocal fellows dropping together ended up on our side on an Assault match on River. They proceeded to chat on Voip in the most pseudo military jargon you can think of. Laying out detailed plans of flanking maneuvers, pincers movements, etc. They were in their own little world. When they "ordered" the team to push across the center bridge, despite most of the team being to the far right of the citadel and already half way across. Some just started making fun of them at that point. Yet, they kept up their napoleon like optimism and expressions of grandiose plans. It was sort of endearing, right up until they announced that they were going to "pull off the enemy from our assault forces and go hit the base". Ya, see, they were in a Mad-IIc and a Mauler. And rather than join "our assault forces" they went to the enemy base...slowly.

They did manage to get to the base for about a second (by the time they got there we had all but one enemy dead), and along their slow march they kept up their routine of ordering us around in the most nonsensical ways possible; which no one gave even sarcastic acknowledgment. I have to admit, that those of us on TS could not stop laughing.

Once the two murder balls met we came out on top, and these two worthies were more than happy to take full credit for the victory one actually yelled out "It worked! Brilliant! It worked!" Ignoring the fact that neither one of them did anything, only one red light bothered to go after them, and all they did do is put us two assault mechs down. They did thank us for helping them secure the win, so that was nice.

One of them did 72 points of damage. The other did zero.

I think I would rather have a rager who dies early as long as they are shooting something.

[Kroete]

PhoenixFire55, on 24 March 2017 - 01:29 AM, said:

There are of course at times those horrendous facepalming builds, but then again, someones mechlab fail is exactly that - their fail.

Who are you that you can decide what they have to play?

If you are cant bear pug play and its randomness, go play groupplay and stop that whining.

Edited by Kroete, 24 March 2017 - 04:35 AM.

[Stugg]

I empathize with your situation OP. Happens to me every once in a while.

Ever get that feeling of anger when a teammate bails on you in a push? Or when you are blocked from retreating by some jerk that is not even fighting atm? Or when a teammate runs into you(or alphas you) in the dropzone? That is what they are feeling, only they have probably had that feeling for 10 games in a row.

Sometimes telling them that it is just a game and not real life helps. Sometimes they are dead set on spewing venom. Just got to roll with the punches there.

[Thrudvangar]

Escef, on 24 March 2017 - 01:50 AM, said:

This is all you've got, isn't it? Your life away from the keyboard is so sad, lonely, and powerless that the best you can do is treat faceless strangers online like s***.

I bet you feel unappreciated at work, your kids (if you have any) have no respect for you and treat you like an ATM, and your romantic relationships are nonexistent or effectively dead... That or you're a teenager.

Seriously, get into therapy. Maybe a mild antidepressant. It'll do you a world of good.

Here he is, the social justice warrior himself.

If nothing else helps then the "rl loser" thing gets up. Hahaha. ***

[nice but dim]

Yeah it really sucks when you play an on-line game with random people and then find out that some of them are playing very poorly or at least not as good as they should be playing in your opinion. It really ruins ones day completely doesn't it?

I mean the least you would expect from dropping in a random game with random people is that all of them would satisfy your expectations. And after all if someone does poorly in a match it definitely needs to be pointed out doesn't it?

And of course you personally never play the game poorly or make mistakes. And if you happen to perform poorly it is always someone else's fault isn't it?

[CDLord HHGD]

It's not their fault. Nothing is. They are perfect and everyone else around them is at fault for their failures. We should be ashamed of ourselves.....

/fuckthatbullshitandgrowapair