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[Bud Crue]

nice but dim, on 24 March 2017 - 04:58 AM, said:

Yeah it really sucks when you play an on-line game with random people and then find out that some of them are playing very poorly or at least not as good as they should be playing in your opinion. It really ruins ones day completely doesn't it?

I mean the least you would expect from dropping in a random game with random people is that all of them would satisfy your expectations. And after all if someone does poorly in a match it definitely needs to be pointed out doesn't it?

And of course you personally never play the game poorly or make mistakes. And if you happen to perform poorly it is always someone else's fault isn't it?

OP isn't talking about people merely playing poorly. He even acknowledges that the rest of the team in his example made plenty of mistakes. No, the issue being discussed is those rare gems who poorly and then have the gall to blame others for their poor play.

[nice but dim]

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Yeah it really sucks when you play an on-line game with random people and then find out that some of them are playing very poorly or at least not as good as they should be playing in your opinion. It really ruins ones day completely doesn't it?

I mean the least you would expect from dropping in a random game with random people is that all of them would satisfy your expectations. And after all if someone does poorly in a match it definitely needs to be pointed out doesn't it?

And of course you personally never play the game poorly or make mistakes. And if you happen to perform poorly it is always someone else's fault isn't it?

Bud Crue, on 24 March 2017 - 05:02 AM, said:

OP isn't talking about people merely playing poorly. He even acknowledges that the rest of the team in his example made plenty of mistakes. No, the issue being discussed is those rare gems who poorly and then have the gall to blame others for their poor play.

I should clarify here that I am not directing my post to any particular person in this thread or the OP.

Also whether the person who blames his team or other players performed good in the match or not makes no difference.

[Amsro]

Uncheck europe time zone if you don't want to play with timid players. 90% of my europe server matches are just a camp fest.

So i'll make the push/flank and dig the scum out of the trench, sometimes it works sometimes it fails.

Of course that is everyone's fault but mine!

Flame suit on.

[Bud Crue]

nice but dim, on 24 March 2017 - 05:13 AM, said:

I should clarify here that I am not directing my post to any particular person in this thread or the OP.

Also whether the person who blames his team or other players performed good in the match or not makes no difference.

It makes no difference if the poor performer "blames his team" or "other players performed good in the match"?

Okay. To each his own, but to my way of thinking I'd rather play with the people performing "good" than the "poor performer" who is a jerk. But that's just me.

[Duke Nedo]

Bud Crue, on 24 March 2017 - 05:30 AM, said:

It makes no difference if the poor performer "blames his team" or "other players performed good in the match"?

Okay. To each his own, but to my way of thinking I'd rather play with the people performing "good" than the "poor performer" who is a jerk. But that's just me.

I figure that what's important to me isn't if my teammates did a lot of damage on the end screen. What matters to me is the intentions. I have much more respect for a locust that tries to play the match to win and gets instapopped with sub100 dmg than a KDK-3 that stays back in a way that pulls the rest of the team with him and makes us lose on passivity, all while pulling off 1k damage. I could blame the KDK for the loss but not the LCT...

Edited by Duke Nedo, 24 March 2017 - 05:44 AM.

[Bud Crue]

Duke Nedo, on 24 March 2017 - 05:43 AM, said:

I figure that what's important to me isn't if my teammates did a lot of damage on the end screen. What matters to me is the intentions. I have much more respect for a locust that tries to play the match to win and gets instapopped with sub100 dmg than a KDK-3 that stays back in a way that pulls the rest of the team with him and makes us lose on passivity, all while pulling off 1k damage. I could blame the KDK for the loss but not the LCT...

Sure but if the "instapopped" Locust spends the rest of the match telling the KDK and the rest of the team what scrubs they are, I have zero sympathy for either the player or his demise. I think the OP is getting to that aspect no? The jerk factor makes all the difference.

[nice but dim]

Bud Crue, on 24 March 2017 - 05:30 AM, said:

It makes no difference if the poor performer "blames his team" or "other players performed good in the match"?

Okay. To each his own, but to my way of thinking I'd rather play with the people performing "good" than the "poor performer" who is a jerk. But that's just me.

oh boy...

I will try to make that sentence more simple:
If someone is blaming his team or a particular player in his team (e.g not the team as a whole). It makes no difference if this person who is doing the blaming did good or bad in the match.

Or alternatively an even more simple sentence:
If someone is blaming others it makes no difference if the person doing the blaming did good or bad in the match.

Now definitely it can be amusing if this person who does the blaming also did very poorly in the match.

[METAL SEPARATOR]

Amsro, on 24 March 2017 - 05:25 AM, said:

Uncheck europe time zone if you don't want to play with timid players. 90% of my europe server matches are just a camp fest.

So i'll make the push/flank and dig the scum out of the trench, sometimes it works sometimes it fails.

Of course that is everyone's fault but mine!

Flame suit on.

I noticed it too.

[Wildstreak]

I never say anything in VOIP and rarely chat it.

I have however been saving videos that show when a PUG team does things wrong, probably will do a YouTube Playlist of them but not linked here. I'm not looking to embarrass players, just point out ways NOT to do things. Most YouTube videos are about wins or high scores.

[Shiroi Tsuki]

El Bandito, on 23 March 2017 - 08:52 PM, said:

Some of them utter the "useless teammates" quote near the end of the match after staying silent the whole game. If they are such hot shots then they should have been calling the drops, eh?

And I love it when they **** on you for even trying to co-ordinate without a mic
Suit yourselves ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Quicksilver Aberration]

El Bandito, on 23 March 2017 - 08:52 PM, said:

Some of them utter the "useless teammates" quote near the end of the match after staying silent the whole game. If they are such hot shots then they should have been calling the drops, eh?

There is a difference between good pilots and good drop commanders. Not all good pilots can drop command.

[TLBFestus]

Guilty.

My mates and I say it all the time because it's true, we've been on a good number of truly bad teams. Barely competent mouth breathers for the most part.

The important thing to note is that we do it over our own TeamSpeak comms AND we are talking about ourselves.

[C E Dwyer]

I tend to use it very rarely when extremely frustrated, during dumbination games.

I get sick and tired of being in teams that sit and watch the mediums and lights do all the fighting, take all the risks of being in the circle in that particular mode, while heavies and assaults ridge poke and launch lurms from 800 meters then ***** about not getting locks.

The reason you don't get locks is because your expecting blackjacks, shadowhawks and ice ferrets to tank for you, and having a fraction of the armour got wiped by teams that have a clue.

Hope that answers the question

[GabrielSun]

I have to admit I've typed some denigrating things in chat. I immediately feel like a **** though and figure out that I should have just exited the match and watched some kitten and puppy videos on youtube or something.

Sometimes the filtre between action and consequence isn't as strong as it should be.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

Regarding the OP:

-human nature is to do what we want to do, expect others to cater to our desires and then blame others when things don't go our way. So, this is the default thought process...it doesn't take being a special kind of jerk to fall into this. Some, just don't have as good of a filter and let it out loudly and publicly.

So, the pilot in the brawling Atlas is going to call an early push on Alpine Peaks...generally without checking if his team is down with that...or even set up to brawl. Then when he dies, he will blame the team for not supporting him, being cowards, noobs, potatoes, etc. He wants action, most often doesn't want to hide while the long range guys do there thing....that would mean he might be the center of "his team"..

Regarding the tier 1 guys dropping assaults, who get stuck in some games with newer players (most of which would have to be in lighter mechs):

-PGI's message to you is "carry harder" . In all seriousness. The matchmaker is putting you in those matches to do 700-1000 dmg. You are playing one of the most powerful mechs in the game...you are teamed up with many newer players, driving mostly less powerful mechs than you are. They aren't going to do as well...that's why you are there....To be the boss-man of your team, damage-wise....The other team is likely of a similar make-up (scrubs, with a couple of good players) so which tier 1 guy carries more for his side may well determine it.

[Almond Brown]

Dogstar, on 24 March 2017 - 12:34 AM, said:

I'll admit that I'm one of those people.

It's frustrating as anything to be fighting as hard as you can and then the moment there's a break, to look up at the score and see 5-10, 3-9, or even 1-11 because your team folded like a cheap chair.

So you need to vent, especially when it's your fourth match on a row with the same issue. It's not personal.

If that is true, then why do so many make it personal with insults and denigrating speak? That is what I wonder most. If anyone is really that good, they should never see 1-11 on the board because they would kill the first 5 enemy Mechs themselves before that Team of slackers they got saddled with could even get out of the spawn... right?

Want to keep it "not personal" then best keep it quiet...

Edited by Almond Brown, 24 March 2017 - 08:22 AM.

[4rcs1ne]

While I agree with the OP's sentiment, when you're constantly the one doing the best damage and no one on your team can break 200, it begins to get really frustrating. Had a match yesterday on Grim Plexus where someone in a hellbringer was trying to communicate with the team. I forgot exactly what coordinates, but he told us to push up to a specific area on the map. I followed him and 3 others, while the assaults refused to listen and hid behind buildings... Needless to say, it was a 12-4 stomp. Literally the only 4 kills came from the lance that pushed up.

Cases like the above make my blood boil, but I never yell over VOIP. I just take a deep breath and move on to the next match. Always remember, no matter how bad a particular match may be, there is always the next match to look forward to.

[The6thMessenger]

I don't want to point fingers, but i just had this match. I was against El Bandito, he did well with his team, we're enemies. But with my own team, i have the 2nd to the top damage, 2nd top match score. I did 1242 dmg, and only four of us broke 1000+ damage.

I am not saying that i am very very very good, in fact i admit I am an average player as I see, i don't perfectly perform. But it is quite frustrating when I am one of the best my entire team can offer, when I am average as hell. I don't mind losing, i just hate it when i have to stand somewhat alone.

I don't want to call my team useless, but without them having my back as i have theirs, I struggle to justify to even call them "teammates".

Edited by The6thMessenger, 24 March 2017 - 09:37 PM.

[Shifty McSwift]

FireStoat, on 23 March 2017 - 11:06 PM, said:

I used to become very sad with poorly playing team mates, but then I figured out a fun mini-game. It's called...

"am I good enough to get a yellow equal sign for my ending score rating adjustment even with this boat anchor of a team?"

It feels satisfying to win that mini-game even if the main game is shaping up to be lost hard.

And yes this exactly, we personally don't really need to worry about others performance, as even if you do well in a defeat you can potentially not lose or gain pilot skill ratings, and vice versa if you win (not sure if you can lose rating winning, but you can break even).

The main problem there is many things that should be rewarded by skill rating points, are just not, so it encourages using teammates as shields and being the last one out to an extent.

[Shifty McSwift]

The6thMessenger, on 24 March 2017 - 09:35 PM, said:

I am not saying that i am very very very good, in fact i admit I am an average player as I see, i don't perfectly perform. But it is quite frustrating when I am one of the best my entire team can offer, when I am average as hell. I don't mind losing, i just hate it when i have to stand somewhat alone.

Don't forget that in many cases some of your teammates have to do badly for some to get those extreme scores, for example, they are getting wailed on while you get open shots with no return fire for 30 seconds etc. So when you personally get a high score it isn't an exact reflection of your and your team's participation, it is a reflection of your accuracy, ability to take advantage of circumstance and your DPS rates in good conditions.

Score doesn't mean as much as most people seem to think it means, and just because you might be the last one alive with the highest damage score, it doesn't automatically make you the MVP.