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#61 Mister Blastman

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 07:50 PM

View PostRouken Vordermark, on 24 March 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:


The meta is big weapons like PPC and Gauss.


The meta is angry. Angry as in mad at your team for being bads and the matchmaker shafting you over and over. That's the meta. That's why I don't play anymore. All this broken crap and no solution to the madness. Alas, I'm free. :) I might play a drop here or there to see what has changed but decidedly little has budged.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 08:26 PM

View PostMister Blastman, on 24 March 2017 - 07:50 PM, said:


The meta is angry. Angry as in mad at your team for being bads and the matchmaker shafting you over and over. That's the meta. That's why I don't play anymore. All this broken crap and no solution to the madness. Alas, I'm free. Posted Image I might play a drop here or there to see what has changed but decidedly little has budged.


I hope you feel better now that you've gotten that off your chest (and since text has a way of robbing tone I will specify that I am quite sincere about that).

Returning to the topic at hand, I will reiterate that running 2-4 big weapons is the current go-to, and boating large quantities of smaller weapons is pretty niche.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 08:28 PM

View Postwarner2, on 24 March 2017 - 10:46 AM, said:

Small weapons... perhaps not nonetheless the prevailing meta is the boating of multiple single weapons into a super weapon.

Of interest: http://mwomercs.com/...om-closed-beta/

Back when it was only 4 mechs I think (pre-Dragon?), I remember people ****ting bricks because Swaybacks were walking right up to an Atlas and melting their faces off in only 1-2 salvos. Off course, the hitboxes were terribad...hell, I don't even think the Swayback damage transfer was working properly yet...but it was enough to panic a number of us into wondering how broken the game was going to be at some point in the future when you had some lore mech like the Nova that would have the hardpoints to boat hardcore.

Later one of the Devs (I don't remember who?) made a post along the lines of "...but what **IS** boating?!?" It was like we were having some sort of existential debate over whether boating was even a thing.

View PostBud Crue, on 24 March 2017 - 08:49 AM, said:

My "small weapon" boating mechs are my worst performers by far. There needs to be no "counter" as they are so niche, with such a specialized "role" (short range brawling) that outside of some potential scouting roles they are often useless...unless you get real lucky.

I don't count lights running 4-5 or even 6 spl or ml in this either. They're lights, they don't have much choice. But when I compare my Crabs for example, the std engine 5MPL or 6MPL is by far my worst performers (again outside of scouting). 3LL, 3LPL or even my 2ERPPC 2SPL (SL) builds all perform better.

The heavier a mech gets the more this is true. Look at Grasshoppers and their meta builds. Now go play them. When you get to the 5N with 4ML and 4MPL let me know how that works out for you on Polar, Alpine, Desert, etc. Swap out the meta 3LPL 4ML (etc.) on any IS heavy and spam SPLs or even ML/MP and let me know your results.

No counter is needed against small weapon boaters. They counter themselves with their limitations.


Pretty much.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 08:59 PM

View PostRouken Vordermark, on 24 March 2017 - 08:26 PM, said:


I hope you feel better now that you've gotten that off your chest (and since text has a way of robbing tone I will specify that I am quite sincere about that).

Returning to the topic at hand, I will reiterate that running 2-4 big weapons is the current go-to, and boating large quantities of smaller weapons is pretty niche.


I feel fantastic I've been released from bondage and no longer am burdened by matchacutioner. I'm free to frolic in the fields of gaming bliss, wherever I choose. ;)

One day they'll fix the problems here. One day. Maybe. I'm not holding my breath, though. I've made my arguments, stated my case.

I think I'll go watch a movie or something now...

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Posted 27 March 2017 - 03:26 AM

Just need a separate stock mode queue for all the crybabies who can't deal with people optimizing their mechs. I remember times when people cryed about 6-PPC-Stalkers, now they cry about 6-SPLs ... Neither was and/or is a problem, but I guess when you are bad you need to find something to blame ...





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