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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 31 March 2017 - 10:54 AM, said:

Except you have the exact same starting positions and piece counts for chess, which is why the analogy only holds true if drop decs are mirrored.

Look at it more broadly, less rigidly, and it'll make sense. I don't want to spend too much time on something tangentially related to the thread so I'll leave it to you instead of cluttering things up any more than I have already.

[AnimeFreak40K]

BLOOD WOLF, on 30 March 2017 - 03:31 PM, said:

no, that's just for you guys to talk about other stuff that can be said in another thread. There is other aspect that still can be explored with the expansion of the comp scene that doesn't revolve dragging the thread for pages on end with balance talk. Which in regard to this thread, I was hoping for.

When their a hundreds of other threads talking about balance, its not a reason to make this one about balance. Lets just stick to the future expansion of the Comp scene and what they can do with that and what that means.

...this and your other posts tell me that you are bleeding clueless on the topic of competitive play and game balance. This has also shown me that it's pretty much pointless attempting to carry this discussion with you further.

[BLOOD WOLF]

AnimeFreak40K, on 31 March 2017 - 01:10 PM, said:

...this and your other posts tell me that you are bleeding clueless on the topic of competitive play and game balance. This has also shown me that it's pretty much pointless attempting to carry this discussion with you further.

wow, considering I was gone for more than 8 hours, nice assertion there. Tells me your "bleeding clueless on the topic of competitive play"(really)...(very crude} and game balance.

Anymore childish forms of logic?

The post you quoted had nothing to do with game balance or talking about competitive play. It was me appealing to get back to the topic, This thread is not about nor was it about balance. The Fact that you pointed out my post and got it completely wrong in the conclusion tells me you weren't worth having discussion with in the first place. Funny how some people want to usurp the whole topic for themselves and their special buddies.

Heffay, on 31 March 2017 - 11:05 AM, said:

other than Blood Wolf.

When was I talking about measuring for symatry? and why are you taking shots at me?

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 31 March 2017 - 02:24 PM.

[MovinTarget]

(sorry for all the quotes, trying to keep the context here)

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 31 March 2017 - 08:04 AM, said:

How? The game is most like chess when you are constantly seeing both teams take the same things (since that means they have the same strat at that point, the only difference becomes about tactics). The more diverse drop decs we see the better the game is and the less like chess it becomes (since both sides are not symmetrical in composition).

-My response

MovinTarget, on 31 March 2017 - 08:49 AM, said:

Consider that in comp play, that's exactly what any team wants; a chance to show that they are better than any other team in executing some operation. They probably take more pride if they are able to say they beat a near-identically equipped team because that would be about the close you can get to enforced tech balance.

-Your Response to my response

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 31 March 2017 - 10:51 AM, said:

I'm not sure why you are speaking for all comp players considering I am one and I don't think that way. I want to find that drop dec that happens to give me the edge AND defeat them with superior tactics and skill.

If you are not trying to show you are the better team, or, if you happen to bring the same meta mechs, you don't want to show you are able to use them better, then yes, I guess my statement does not apply

The diversity you seek is not a function of PGI in comp play, its the organizations that make the rules and decides which mechs can be brought. PGI can't do much about that unless it takes over the running of comp tourneys. If you don't like the deck compositions, you need to reach out to MRBC or such, or perhaps start a different kind of competitive organization that would espouse your views.

Edited by MovinTarget, 31 March 2017 - 01:25 PM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 31 March 2017 - 10:54 AM, said:

Except you have the exact same starting positions and piece counts for chess, which is why the analogy only holds true if drop decs are mirrored.

Actually the analogy holds true without mirrored decs in a bigger sense. Both sides have all of the same options....buding the dropdec is your opening move

[TercieI]

Heffay, on 31 March 2017 - 11:05 AM, said:

Turns out there are many places you can measure for symmetry, so technically you aren't any more right or wrong than anyone else here other than Blood Wolf.

Congratulations, Heffay. You win the internet for today.

[BLOOD WOLF]

MovinTarget, on 31 March 2017 - 01:20 PM, said:

The diversity you seek is not a function of PGI in comp play, its the organizations that make the rules and decides which mechs can be brought. PGI can't do much about that unless it takes over the running of comp tourneys. If you don't like the deck compositions, you need to reach out to MRBC or such, or perhaps start a different kind of competitive organization that would espouse your views.

No one has yet to answer why their was a hunchback IIC-A in the MWO championships with a single PPC. He played for the lords and I kept wondering is one PPC good? what edge did he have? heat efficiency? was he just there for sniping, or maybe he was a distraction. I always find the forums provide me answers that don't always explain everything I need to know. Then I have to realize its people giving their opinions and not necessary across the board true for everyone. Explanations need to account for all the variables, if they don't then they might as well tell me anything and it would all be the same

[Heffay]

BLOOD WOLF, on 31 March 2017 - 01:17 PM, said:

and why are you taking shots at me?

With all due respect, you're kinda being a **** in this thread.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Heffay, on 31 March 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

With all due respect, you're kinda being a **** in this thread.

wow, if I go through and count the post that violated the COC, and in the beginning all I wanted to do was stick to topic and I am being an ***? wan't me to quote you some comments directed towards me.

all due respect as well, if you go back and actually look at my initial post I wansn't bothering anyone just trying to participate on this thread, which certain users are trying to make my participation difficult. Like everyone else I was just trying to add my perspective without getting caught up in nonensense, which ended up with me blocking 8 people total. With all due respect if those individuals want to keep up the crap posting towards me, I will just email moderation. So moving forward I don't expect to see any problems. As long as people keep it civil and keep on topic.

I am actually serious, no more reporting, I will just send emails wit names with specific post. Anime freak says I am bleeding clueless, and I am an ***. really. So to anyone else, please continue to not control yourself and act civilly, and I guarantee you they respond faster to emails. Give me a reason to give a name. Moving forward I would like people to drop whatever beef they have with me and stop with the personals and just address the post and points made.

Thank You_now we can move on with our lives.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 31 March 2017 - 02:23 PM.

[EgoSlayer]

I've been blocked lol

Pointing out someone is wrong and why isn't a CoC violation.

[BLOOD WOLF]

EgoSlayer, on 31 March 2017 - 02:24 PM, said:

I've been blocked lol

Pointing out someone is wrong and why isn't a CoC violation.

You know as well as I do that is not what I am referring to when I say COC violations. Every time you and others display COC violate behavior you pretend as if you were just in a civil manner point out the flaws in my statements. That's not even remotely true. when I can easily go back in the thread and pick post that where nothing more than to mock me.

I am allowed to give my feedback and viewpoints same as everyone else without being ganged up and harassed.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 31 March 2017 - 02:29 PM.

[Heffay]

BLOOD WOLF, on 31 March 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

wan't me to quote you some comments directed towards me.

"They started it" isn't really a valid defense.

[Mcgral18]

BLOOD WOLF, on 31 March 2017 - 01:38 PM, said:

No one has yet to answer why their was a hunchback IIC-A in the MWO championships with a single PPC. He played for the lords and I kept wondering is one PPC good? what edge did he have? heat efficiency? was he just there for sniping, or maybe he was a distraction. I always find the forums provide me answers that don't always explain everything I need to know. Then I have to realize its people giving their opinions and not necessary across the board true for everyone. Explanations need to account for all the variables, if they don't then they might as well tell me anything and it would all be the same

...was he missing a Side Torso?

That would have removed a PPC

[BLOOD WOLF]

Heffay, on 31 March 2017 - 02:28 PM, said:

"They started it" isn't really a valid defense.

yea, but you didn't point at anyone else. You singled me out as if I was in here to pick a fight. Which I wasn't. I would appreciate it if I can participate in threads like everyone else without running into bumps for simply disagreeing or seeing it different. So what I don't play competitive in MWO? I played comp in many other games. So what if I disagree with what someone says? we don't all agree. Doesn't give people the go ahead to launch attacks at me. At this point, contacting moderation is all I can do. This forum has a COC where post are blocked or not, and it should be upheld

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 31 March 2017 - 02:35 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Heffay, on 31 March 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

You were just at the top of the list of worst behaving individuals in this thread. I don't have time to berate everyone.

So yeah... stop being suck a **** please.

B.S. dude. When I come in threads like egoslayer just to attack people then maybe I will be at the top. Or when I become as vulgar as some other people in here,then I'll earn that title.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 31 March 2017 - 02:40 PM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

MovinTarget, on 31 March 2017 - 01:20 PM, said:

If you are not trying to show you are the better team

How is not picking the winning strategy not part of showing you are the better team exactly? Drop dec selection (or better yet mech choice) is as much a part of learning how to play this game as positioning is. Not every choice is clear cut like the KDK-3 is in MRBC drops, and it takes time and experimentation to find one that is suitable for certain drops, maps, and strats.

Lukoi Banacek, on 31 March 2017 - 01:28 PM, said:

Both sides have all of the same options....buding the dropdec is your opening move

Alright, I will concede that.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 31 March 2017 - 02:42 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Mcgral18, on 31 March 2017 - 02:29 PM, said:

...was he missing a Side Torso?

That would have removed a PPC

no.he had it center. I'll link the vid in a minute



57:45. People think I am playing when I say I watch these things.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 31 March 2017 - 02:42 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Heffay, on 31 March 2017 - 02:41 PM, said:

Ah. The old "As long as I'm *slightly* better than the worst person here, I'm the good guy!" defense.

Not much more effective though. You're still wrong, and being kind of a pill about it.

dude whatever

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 31 March 2017 - 02:46 PM.

[Heffay]

BLOOD WOLF, on 31 March 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

dude whatever,

That is the least hostile post you've made in this entire thread. Think about it.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Heffay, on 31 March 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

That is the least hostile post you've made in this entire thread. Think about it.

why don't you go back and actually read my initial posts. How hard can it be to click a few pages back, find my first post and then show me how hostile I came in here to be. I came in here wanted to talk about the thread title, and not so much another hundredth thread about balance.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 31 March 2017 - 02:48 PM.