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[Bud Crue]

Mystere, on 06 April 2017 - 02:20 PM, said:

Damn! I know you were that Nigerian Prince I keep getting correspondence from. Where do I send the suitcase of cash?

I'd tell ya, but that Prince is merely one of my patrons. So if I told ya, Id have to hunt you down and...well you know. We international super ninja, samurai, viking, assassins have to protect our clients. Now excuse me, I have a private jet to catch (they make mimosas with Krug on board...they're ok) for a meeting of the ultra-secret group of international corporate heads (which I of course also lead) wherein we will be discussing our latest resolution to take over the Illuminati and the Masons with our petty cash fund. Its gonna be a bore I bet.

[Felicitatem Parco]

brroleg, on 05 April 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

PGI stahp

World of Tanks is not dead.

(Sorry, had to say it... Okay, I am done trolling)

[Bishop Steiner]

Prosperity Park, on 06 April 2017 - 02:39 PM, said:

World of Tanks is not dead.

(Sorry, had to say it... Okay, I am done trolling)

wouldn't that have been stillborn? Pretty sure WoT was P2W from inception?

[Revis Volek]

Coolant, on 05 April 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

There is no way any Hero mech is P2W....p2W stands for Pay to Win and you are not guaranteed to win with these mechs. And, there is nothing to win anyway.

P2W is an over used term, In this instance we are referring to locking things behind a paywall in the game that are seen as better or so good that they are widely used.

P2W is a derp term for people who cant essplain demselves too gud. But that doesnt make the argument any less valid.

[Bishop Steiner]

Coolant, on 05 April 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

There is no way any Hero mech is P2W....p2W stands for Pay to Win and you are not guaranteed to win with these mechs. And, there is nothing to win anyway.

P2W has almost always stood for "pay for distinct advantage" in video games. And yes, there are some heroes that give a distinct advantage (now) than the standard version.

Yes, there is even more egregious versions, liek "Golden Ammo", and such which are much more blatant, but it is a legit concern, and not a good look, since PGI has usually done pretty good avoinding this.

[Revis Volek]

Mystere, on 06 April 2017 - 01:05 PM, said:

In MWO, I admit: never.

But, real life is another matter altogether. Heck, how else can I afford flying First Class?

So go ahead, knock yourself out, and enjoy your so-called "comp" experience in MWO. I'll enjoy mine in real life and have another mini-vacation at Easter weekend after just coming back from one this week.

What i find funny is that you think if you play comp in MWO you dont have a life...

Edited by Revis Volek, 06 April 2017 - 04:31 PM.

[Lupis Volk]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 April 2017 - 03:39 PM, said:

P2W has almost always stood for "pay for distinct advantage" in video games. And yes, there are some heroes that give a distinct advantage (now) than the standard version.

Yes, there is even more egregious versions, liek "Golden Ammo", and such which are much more blatant, but it is a legit concern, and not a good look, since PGI has usually done pretty good avoinding this.

Careful there Bish some people in this thread hate buzzwords being defined by their proper meaning.

[Bishop Steiner]

Lupis Volk, on 06 April 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

Careful there Bish some people in this thread hate buzzwords being defined by their proper meaning.

Yeah, well, you know me... unlikely to back down just because someone gets in a tizzy.

[Mystere]

Revis Volek, on 06 April 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

What i find funny is that you think if you play comp in MWO you dont have a life...

That's not what I meant. Context is everything. <shrugs>

Edited by Mystere, 06 April 2017 - 04:14 PM.

[Mystere]

Bud Crue, on 06 April 2017 - 02:30 PM, said:

So if I told ya, Id have to hunt you down and...well you know. We international super ninja, samurai, viking, assassins have to protect our clients.

All I can say is:

[Bud Crue]

Mystere, on 06 April 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

All I can say is:

And how can the this be!?

Because Thurston Howell the III is the Kwisatz Hadrach!

[Mystere]

Humpday, on 06 April 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

I say put up or shut up.

If you're talking "comp"...think about it in real life terms...again, put up or shutup. If you want to be the most competitive and most viable...you want the best gear, thus you have to pay the piper, if not...well you're not very competitive now are you.

I remember a female runner back in the day. She was very fast. She had talent. Her physique gave her an edge over many competitors.

But, there was one problem: her stubborn father. He interfered with her training. Among other things, he said she did not need the fancy training the professional trainers wanted to give her.

Her dreams of Olympic glory remained just that, dreams.

But in certain sections of the video game world, especially the niche ones ...

Edited by Mystere, 06 April 2017 - 08:16 PM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Mystere, on 06 April 2017 - 01:05 PM, said:

In MWO, I admit: never.

But, real life is another matter altogether. Heck, how else can I afford flying First Class?

So go ahead, knock yourself out, and enjoy your so-called "comp" experience in MWO. I'll enjoy mine in real life and have another mini-vacation at Easter weekend after just coming back from one this week.

Sooooo? ... How does your supposed RL amazingness tell us anything about comp scene (or lack thereof) in MWO? Or what does it have to do with this particular topic? Sorry, your little self-centered show off is amusing, but totally irrelevant.

[Mycrus]

Mystere, on 05 April 2017 - 08:23 PM, said:

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

What &quot;competitive&quot; whatever are people talking about anyway?

Yep.

[Mystere]

PhoenixFire55, on 07 April 2017 - 12:02 AM, said:

Sooooo? ... How does your supposed RL amazingness tell us anything about comp scene (or lack thereof) in MWO? Or what does it have to do with this particular topic? Sorry, your little self-centered show off is amusing, but totally irrelevant.

This person said it well enough:

Humpday, on 06 April 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

I say put up or shut up.

If you're talking "comp"...think about it in real life terms...again, put up or shutup. If you want to be the most competitive and most viable...you want the best gear, thus you have to pay the piper, if not...well you're not very competitive now are you.

If you can't pay, well sorry, you made your bed, you chose your crap career, to have a million kids, to buy that car you can't afford....ect ect ect...now sleep in it.

Shoot guns? Do you not pay for the best ammo, chokes, rails, and optics...
Race cars? Do you not pay for the the best fuel, manifolds, gaskets, heads....ect...
Gaming? Do you not pay for the best videocards, monitors, keyboards...ect...
Any sport? Best nutrition, best shoes, best gear of any type, be it gloves to socks or spikes...you pay.
Name anything competitive, if you want the best sh!t...pay up.

[PhoenixFire55]

Mystere, on 07 April 2017 - 07:07 AM, said:

This person said it well enough:

What he said has nothing to do with what I asked. You are avoiding the question and the topic at hand once again, i.e. you clearly have nothing to say.

[Mystere]

PhoenixFire55, on 07 April 2017 - 07:39 AM, said:

What he said has nothing to do with what I asked. You are avoiding the question and the topic at hand once again, i.e. you clearly have nothing to say.

Sigh:

Mystere, on 06 April 2017 - 11:30 AM, said:

I am of the view that "serious" players do open up their wallets.

That's both in the "real" professional gaming scene and in "real life" professional sports (or anything, for that matter), where it also happens that people actually get paid real money to afford to do real things with them.

It sounds like I touched a raw nerve. So tell me, just what is so "comp" and "pro" about MWO?

Edited by Mystere, 07 April 2017 - 08:26 AM.

[Revis Volek]

Mystere, on 07 April 2017 - 08:15 AM, said:

Sigh:



That's both in the "real" professional gaming scene and in "real life" professional sports (or anything, for that matter), where people actually get paid real money to afford to do real things with them.

It sounds like I touched a raw nerve. So tell me, just what is so "comp" and "pro" about MWO?

You would like to think that but really you are just making an *** of yourself...

I have played competitive sports all my life, it started with soccer as a young buck, then i moved onto track and field and then once i got outta school i played paintball competitively and (Still do a little) would ride around the national circuit trying to make it to the World Cup in France.

MWO is no different then the rest of my life, just calmly shooting robutts doesnt do it for me. Killing random bads in solo doesnt make me feel better or even good.

However, going up against another ranked team, the thrill of knowing they are as good if not better then you but you job is to beat them is a thrill i get from nothing else. Even if it is just from a simple video game...



Because its not the setting or the sport, its the fire of competition. Even when im 80 year old i will be racing the guy next to me on his disability scooter.

[KingCobra]

Here is the thing to consider Are the mechs in question PAY2WIN? Do they give a player a definite advantage in OP weapons, Armor,or chassis modifications that will alow them to get more kills and take less damage?

If the answer is YES then MWO has become like WOT-Planitside2-WOS-and many more FREE2PLAY games that are losing there player base and try to make up the revenue by selling PAY2WIN items as a last resource to keep the game alive.

If no then there is no argument and this game is not PAY2WIN and the company is just trying to stay alive and generate more income per mech sale or mech bundle sale by the illusion that these items are better than there counterparts in the game.

Personally I think PGI needs to concentrate more on game content(SOCIAL LOBBY)- (MAPS-GAME MODES-COOP CAMPAIGNS-ETC. than mechs the game is so saturated with mechs after 10-20 mechs most players I assume quit buying them as they have so many to play already.

P.S PGI really should concentrate on newplayers game content and advertising before the MWO population gets below 10,000 active players.

[Mystere]

Revis Volek, on 07 April 2017 - 08:26 AM, said:

You would like to think that

Which one? The "pay to compete" part?

Remember, this topic is about "pay to win", which is really not far removed from "pay to compete".

And yet, for an extremely niche video game, people talk as if that would mean the end of MWO, and with some displaying that high and mighty "I am a comp pro in MWO, what are you?" attitude. And so ...

Revis Volek, on 07 April 2017 - 08:26 AM, said:

but really you are just making an *** of yourself...

I just intentionally rudely interjected both "but in 'real' professional gaming ..." and "but in real life ..." perspectives -- and with a cold sharp dagger through the heart.

Revis Volek, on 07 April 2017 - 08:26 AM, said:

I have played competitive sports all my life, it started with soccer as a young buck, then i moved onto track and field and then once i got outta school i played paintball competitively and (Still do a little) would ride around the national circuit trying to make it to the World Cup in France.

MWO is no different then the rest of my life, just calmly shooting robutts doesnt do it for me. Killing random bads in solo doesnt make me feel better or even good.

However, going up against another ranked team, the thrill of knowing they are as good if not better then you but you job is to beat them is a thrill i get from nothing else. Even if it is just from a simple video game...

Because its not the setting or the sport, its the fire of competition. Even when im 80 year old i will be racing the guy next to me on his disability scooter.

Well, good for you then ... and me (whether that be video games, sports, and life).

And good luck with your World Cup pursuit, seriously.

Edited by Mystere, 07 April 2017 - 08:49 AM.