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[Valleric]

Its early in the morning so none of my buddies are on and had to drop solo. There were two assault mechs on my team. One was an lrm Battlemaster, the other a Warhawk (didnt have lrms but not sure of the loadout). Battle was on Canyon network. I politely ask the assaults to move up with the rest of the group and stay with the team, but they ignore me hanging out in the back. We are low on tonnage so I ask them to move up again when the center was being pushed by the enemies assaults, leaving a bunch of mediums and a couple heavies high and dry against the attack. I look back and see the Warhawk behind a rock far away in the back and the lrm Battlemaster even farther back behind the canyon. Yea, we lost. Hard. Im not going to {Godwin's Law} and tell people what to bring on their mechs because they aint in my circle and if someone wants to bring derp on an assault, its up to them. However sometimes its needed an assault move up and stay with the rest of the group despite loadout. I mean the lrm Battlemaster would have done way more damage at 300 yards or so. Instead he was firing out of range and out of usefulness. In low tonnage drops the assaults need to step up and stay with the group despite loadout. It was a tier 1 drop for me but I know matchmaker will take anyone it can find after a while, so I expect a little bit of derp. But that derp cost us the match. So please know what you are doing before you pilot an assault. I wont name shame, but those assault pilots were horribad. Please dont be a selfish player. Please stay with the team. Even if you have lrms on an assault or are geared towards range, please be a team player. That is all thank you.

Edited by Valleric, 08 April 2017 - 09:12 AM.

[Willard Phule]

Hahahahahahahaha...sorry, man, it's always entertaining to see someone lose it over potatoes not being physically capable of paying attention or learning.

"Push," apparently, means different things in different languages. I'm pretty sure it means "stand still and zoom" in a couple of them.

[Magnus Santini]

Yeah man! Also Heffay agrees:

[Skanderborg]

There are a lot of factors that give you bad pilots.

With this being a free to play game , anyone that comes across it can play a few games then discard it when they get frustrated , they are just testing the waters. With the small population that plays through out the day outside of peak times , playing with them is very possible.

There is no progression system for mechs , you just simply need the correct amount of c-bills to get into an assault. I don't disagree with this but occasinonally you will get an assault pilot that has very little experience because of this.

There are no dedicated servers / community servers , or ranked lobbies / matches , or anything else that can help set up good games outside of the match maker. A game like this that requires coordination needs a pre game lobby AT LEAST and the ability to have more than 4 in a group.

In any other multiplayer game , I find the servers that have good players so i can have reliably good and competitive games. Team stomps are not fun for both sides , at least for me.

[FireStoat]

Younger players have fewer issues with this. The 'git gud' generation when faced with a challenging game is all too eager to hit up Youtube to watch tutorial guides for a game they have an interest in, as well as watch streams and ask questions in the chat. It's a peer pressure thing from the internet that has its place and is accepted.

What is mind boggling to me is to watch players who have been in the game for half a year to a year or more that still have the mouse sensitivity at default while I'm dead in spectator mode. That epic struggle to hit a 60 ton mech that's moving in a straight line, out in the open, while using the Zoom module when the target is at less than 400 meters... It's players like this that missed the boat in learning game tips, I think.

Edit - this lengthy video put out by Kanajashi not too long ago covers probably every setting change and start-up strategy that can be covered that any new player might possibly want.



Actual tips start at the 3:10 mark

Edited by FireStoat, 08 April 2017 - 10:27 AM.

[Amsro]

FireStoat, on 08 April 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

That epic struggle to hit a 60 ton mech that's moving in a straight line, out in the open, while using the Zoom module when the target is at less than 400 meters... It's players like this that missed the boat in learning game tips, I think.

Yes I do see this often, and it's at that point that I make mention to said player that turning down mouse sensitivity in the game settings will greatly help.

Usually this is taken appreciatively and I hope the change helped. I don't actually know if it does.

After a little bit you need to spectate someone else for fear of throwing up. Shake for the sickness.

Edited by Amsro, 08 April 2017 - 10:35 AM.

[Dee Eight]

Valleric, on 08 April 2017 - 09:12 AM, said:

Its early in the morning so none of my buddies are on and had to drop solo. There were two assault mechs on my team. One was an lrm Battlemaster, the other a Warhawk (didnt have lrms but not sure of the loadout). Battle was on Canyon network. I politely ask the assaults to move up with the rest of the group and stay with the team, but they ignore me hanging out in the back. We are low on tonnage so I ask them to move up again when the center was being pushed by the enemies assaults, leaving a bunch of mediums and a couple heavies high and dry against the attack. I look back and see the Warhawk behind a rock far away in the back and the lrm Battlemaster even farther back behind the canyon. Yea, we lost. Hard. Im not going to {Godwin's Law} and tell people what to bring on their mechs because they aint in my circle and if someone wants to bring derp on an assault, its up to them. However sometimes its needed an assault move up and stay with the rest of the group despite loadout. I mean the lrm Battlemaster would have done way more damage at 300 yards or so. Instead he was firing out of range and out of usefulness. In low tonnage drops the assaults need to step up and stay with the group despite loadout. It was a tier 1 drop for me but I know matchmaker will take anyone it can find after a while, so I expect a little bit of derp. But that derp cost us the match. So please know what you are doing before you pilot an assault. I wont name shame, but those assault pilots were horribad. Please dont be a selfish player. Please stay with the team. Even if you have lrms on an assault or are geared towards range, please be a team player. That is all thank you.

That was the match I was in before I went out to do an errand, I was in the LRM battlemaster and you were NOT polite in making demands to the assaults. You rushed D4 center with no discussion to the team of strategy or even scouting of where the enemy was first. While you were being impolite over the voip, I scored the first of only five kills we got. Canyon's is a map that favours flanking and using the map fully... and punishes those who think its a king of the hill fight around D4.

[Mister Blastman]

Holy paragraph, Batman! It's so thick I didn't even bother to read it!

[Lorcryst NySell]

Valleric, on 08 April 2017 - 09:12 AM, said:

Its early in the morning so none of my buddies are on and had to drop solo. There were two assault mechs on my team. One was an lrm Battlemaster, the other a Warhawk (didnt have lrms but not sure of the loadout). Battle was on Canyon network. I politely ask the assaults to move up with the rest of the group and stay with the team, but they ignore me hanging out in the back. We are low on tonnage so I ask them to move up again when the center was being pushed by the enemies assaults, leaving a bunch of mediums and a couple heavies high and dry against the attack. I look back and see the Warhawk behind a rock far away in the back and the lrm Battlemaster even farther back behind the canyon. Yea, we lost. Hard. Im not going to {Godwin's Law} and tell people what to bring on their mechs because they aint in my circle and if someone wants to bring derp on an assault, its up to them. However sometimes its needed an assault move up and stay with the rest of the group despite loadout. I mean the lrm Battlemaster would have done way more damage at 300 yards or so. Instead he was firing out of range and out of usefulness. In low tonnage drops the assaults need to step up and stay with the group despite loadout. It was a tier 1 drop for me but I know matchmaker will take anyone it can find after a while, so I expect a little bit of derp. But that derp cost us the match. So please know what you are doing before you pilot an assault. I wont name shame, but those assault pilots were horribad. Please dont be a selfish player. Please stay with the team. Even if you have lrms on an assault or are geared towards range, please be a team player. That is all thank you.

Dee Eight, on 08 April 2017 - 10:35 AM, said:

That was the match I was in before I went out to do an errand, I was in the LRM battlemaster and you were NOT polite in making demands to the assaults. You rushed D4 center with no discussion to the team of strategy or even scouting of where the enemy was first. While you were being impolite over the voip, I scored the first of only five kills we got. Canyon's is a map that favours flanking and using the map fully... and punishes those who think its a king of the hill fight around D4.

Can I get a "OP PWN3D" from the crowd ?

Complaining against Assaults, and then having one of said Assaults come in and rebuke you with facts is priceless ... for the crowd watching with popcorn !

[Monkey Lover]

I don't blame pug assaults for anything you can't trust the team in pug q. I only use assaults in group Q because it's less likely the team will run away.

[Valleric]

Dee Eight, on 08 April 2017 - 10:35 AM, said:

That was the match I was in before I went out to do an errand, I was in the LRM battlemaster and you were NOT polite in making demands to the assaults. You rushed D4 center with no discussion to the team of strategy or even scouting of where the enemy was first. While you were being impolite over the voip, I scored the first of only five kills we got. Canyon's is a map that favours flanking and using the map fully... and punishes those who think its a king of the hill fight around D4.

You are wrong. I did ask politely. I asked politely twice. Also I didn't rush, I was with the team, something you were not. I don't like my leaderboard going down just because someone dosnt know how to play. But honestly taking lrms on an assault speaks volumes about yo skill, which is probably little to nothing. I wish you well and hope you get better at the game.

[Dee Eight]

Valleric, on 08 April 2017 - 10:50 AM, said:

You are wrong. I did ask politely. I asked politely twice. Also I didn't rush, I was with the team, something you were not. I don't like my leaderboard going down just because someone dosnt know how to play. But honestly taking lrms on an assault speaks volumes about yo skill, which is probably little to nothing. I wish you well and hope you get better at the game.

Well I remember it differently. I also remember repeated complaining about the assaults not being there to shield you... meanwhile their team flanked the map correctly and was firing on the D4 cluster of sheep from three sides. Also there was no lack of tonnage. Our Charlie lance dropped as a warhawk, stalker, atlas and my battlemaster 1S. Three 85 tonners and a 100 ton. Theirs was a kodiak, a stalker (which is what I killed, at a point we were already down 3 dead from the D4 cluster of targets), and two Mad2Cs. Again three 85 tonners and a 100 ton. Their lighter units included a loyalty cicida which I ended up in a close brawl with (woe to him to find out I had lasers also). Its very rare for matchmaker to compile teams in solo queue with more than 30 tons of total weight difference.

If you don't like your leaderboard going down...you shouldn't be dropping in solo queue. And instead of complaining about what the assaults are doing, perhaps you should have been communicating enemy positions and using the R key to show the entire team where they are on the map. I positioned myself to afford line of sight for my radar, artemis and tag laser to get my own targets. Anything I engaged got the R key treatment. And when five mins into the match, I was still getting scouting bonuses for being the first to lock the enemy mech... well... someone a lot closer to them wasn't doing their job properly.

Edited by Dee Eight, 08 April 2017 - 11:15 AM.

[FireStoat]

Lorcryst NySell, on 08 April 2017 - 10:44 AM, said:

Can I get a "OP PWN3D" from the crowd ?

Complaining against Assaults, and then having one of said Assaults come in and rebuke you with facts is priceless ... for the crowd watching with popcorn !

Until I actually see a video or screenshots or something involving the event, I'm leaning towards the side of the OP.
Truthfully, when was the last time you saw a mech of tonnage 70+ loaded with LRM's actually close the distance to the 350-450 meter mark with the group while constantly firing?
It. Does. Not. EVER. Happen. In quick play drops, those heavy mechs are nearly always comfortable with letting brawlers do their thing while they are 'helping' with missiles at the 750+ meter mark, mechs parked in place.

[Tier5 Kerensky]

Well, just accept that there are people with different levels of ability. Because that's how it is.

[Lorcryst NySell]

FireStoat, on 08 April 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

It. Does. Not. EVER. Happen. In quick play drops, those heavy mechs are nearly always comfortable with letting brawlers do their thing while they are 'helping' with missiles at the 750+ meter mark, mechs parked in place.

I'm the exception then ... while I don't have any Heavies with Missile hardpoints, I do have a couple of Mediums that can use them (most notably my Hunchback HBK-4J), and I prefer my LRM'ing to be aggressive ...

Sure, I'll take some pot-shots at extreme range while closing in, but I'm usually fighting between 500 and 250 meters, and I *DO* have Medium Lasers as defense weapons when things get too close.

[MischiefSC]

The OP won the conversation when he pointed out that the LRM Battlemaster would have been way more useful at 300m than 800m. It's not hard to score the only kill in a match when you're using your team as armor and vulturing kills off the damage they do and surviving long enough to do it because of the damage they soak.

Canyon only favors flanking if you start on the side without the ramp to the top. Especially if your team isn't set up for a poke fight trying to flank works out terrible because only a couple of you can effectively poke at a time, depending on where you advanced from. Taking the 'crown' in D4 is superior to stringing out along a ridge because you can focus a single side of the strung out line and, when advantageous, push and roll them all up to destroy them in detail.

However, pug queue is pug queue. People are going to pug in LRM BLRs and hang out in the back. You can't change that. If you don't like it, play in FW or group queue and drop only in a team of people who understand teamwork. That's really your only options.

[Roughneck45]

The Quickplay life

Dee Eight, on 08 April 2017 - 10:35 AM, said:

You rushed D4 center with no discussion to the team of strategy or even scouting of where the enemy was first.... Canyon's is a map that favours flanking and using the map fully... and punishes those who think its a king of the hill fight around D4.

OP wins

[Valleric]

I'm not here to argue. Id rather teach people. You two assaults hung in the back making mediums and heavies take the enemy assault charge. There were only two of you assaults on our team and you failed miserably. I won't hold it against you. I just want it to be a learning experience for other noobie assaults. If u wanna lrm fine. Just do it in a medium (sometimes heavy depending on comp). If you play an assault please learn to know what to do as an assault first. That way you are not a hindrance to the team. Take care man.

Edited by Valleric, 08 April 2017 - 12:20 PM.

[Kira Onime]

[bryantjudoman]

Magnus Santini, on 08 April 2017 - 09:22 AM, said:

Yeah man! Also Heffay agrees:

That sarah machloklin vid is the funniest thing I.ve seen on here!