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[Puresin]

When did i miss the meeting where we all decided to allow children (ages 16 and under in my book) to be playing WAR games?

I thought that we were supposed to be training or preparing children for school and university and life at that age, not preparing to play video games that include war and the total destruction of enemy mechs?

Seriously, I just played a game with a player that I can GARANTEE the child wasn't even of age to have gone through puberty. I know because he corrected me and told me he was a boy not a girl.

Yes i could have misjudged the age but there is definitely a sickness with the world when people are okay with children playing war games.

And people want to judge other cultures for giving weapons to children.......when we do no less but hide behind the statement that "it's just a video game" the only difference would be that in real life it would be scarier, there'd be kick back and true ammo limitations.

I even saw a post from a 13 year old complaining that he can't get logged into the game due to age restrictions. Whats even worse is there were players on there saying yeah he should be let in to the game.

p.s. this is not an attack at PGI. they actually have an age limit on this game. But the fact that I played with a garanteed child means that parents are just signing their kids up to games and violating age limitation. parents shouldn't be allowed to do that. The ones that do should be banned when they are caught.

not to mention the fact that the tier system means that I have to play with children who have NO idea about tactics and just want to run and gun and ruin the game for the rest of us who want to play an actual game instead.

p.p.s. Just saw the age restriction, it is indeed 13. That is seriously wrong. should be 15 with parental permission and proof provided or 16 and up.

13 can't drive a car but is allowed to pilot a mech and run around "killing" enemies. anyone else see the problem here?

Edited by Puresin, 19 April 2017 - 05:17 PM.

[dario03]

Puresin, on 19 April 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

When did i miss the meeting where we all decided to allow children (ages 16 and under in my book) to be playing WAR games?

I thought that we were supposed to be training or preparing children for school and university and life at that age, not preparing to play video games that include war and the total destruction of enemy mechs?

Seriously, I just played a game with a player that I can GARANTEE the child wasn't even of age to have gone through puberty. I know because he corrected me and told me he was a boy not a girl.

Yes i could have misjudged the age but there is definitely a sickness with the world when people are okay with children playing war games.

And people want to judge other cultures for giving weapons to children.......when we do no less but hide behind the statement that "it's just a video game" the only difference would be that in real life it would be scarier, there'd be kick back and true ammo limitations.

I even saw a post from a 13 year old complaining that he can't get logged into the game due to age restrictions. Whats even worse is there were players on there saying yeah he should be let in to the game.

p.s. this is not an attack at PGI. they actually have an age limit on this game. But the fact that I played with a garanteed child means that parents are just signing their kids up to games and violating age limitation. parents shouldn't be allowed to do that. The ones that do should be banned when they are caught.

not to mention the fact that the tier system means that I have to play with children who have NO idea about tactics and just want to run and gun and ruin the game for the rest of us who want to play an actual game instead.

Wait so you want nobody under 16 or under 13 to play? Under 13, maybe, but I say its up to the parents and despite there being weapons this game is really tame for a shooter. Also plenty of people are good at games by 12 so skill isn't much to worry about. But at 15 I would imagine most kids have seen way worse than this, and can definitely play well.

[Nameless King]

It is a game, it is fantasy kids will be fine playing any game

[oldradagast]

Is this a joke?

Do you know what I was doing at that age or younger? Flying GI Joe planes around, dropping plastic bombs on toy tanks as they ran over and blew away piles of GI Joe action figures while were shooting each other. Or, maybe I was playing with Transformers as they dueled to the death. Or, maybe using Legos to build models of WW2 naval vessels or star destroyers. Last I checked, I didn't turn out a murderous pyschopath, and neither did nearly every other person who did the same at that age. And what of the previous generations? Cops and robbers? The list keeps on going.

Through all of human history, children have been prepared for adulthood via various games and rituals that include everything from home-making to war. MWO, and all video gaming in general, is just another incarnation of that concept mixed with entertainment for everyone.

I remember when Mortal Kombat came out, and everyone over 40 freaked because cartoon violence was going to "destroy our youth." We'll ignore everything from cartoons that came before, with bombs and anvils, to the Three Stooges... no, it was going to be Mortal Kombat that spelled the end of civilization, because it was "clearly" the first form of violence anyone had every seen in entertainment... lol... Naturally, that game came and went and nothing changed. I honestly hoped we had moved beyond such silly ignorance as a society, but now we're to believe a game with robots shooting each other is going to be the end of all things? Come on!

Edited by oldradagast, 19 April 2017 - 05:28 PM.

[Mister Blastman]

Excuse me, OP? Who are you to tell anyone what to do? It is up to a child's parents whether they should or should not be exposed to violence, sexuality, language, freakish cultures or whatever else they may or may not deem appropriate. Not you.

When I was three I saw Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope on the big screen in a drive-in theater. I loved it. That Christmas I got a Millenium Falcon and though it was the best thing ever. I had wars and battles with my friends throughout the neighborhood and it was awesome, and we hid in trenches and threw fake hand grenades at each other and played dead sometimes--super cool

When I was six I read cover to cover "Our Universe," the best damn book my father ever got me. It enlightened me beyond measure about space, the planets, astrophysics and science--it opened the doors wide and directly influenced what I do now--write novels.

When I was eightish I would play with GI Joe in our back yard and our sandbox, and I'd make elaborate tunnel complexes and compounds in the sand and the dirt, and act out scenes in exquisite detail, developing personalities for every action figure, dialogue included--oftentimes the stories and plotlines were quite intricate and would develop and evolve over days and weeks of real time. And when inevitable violence occured, and it did, I'd fill vehicles with dirt and hurl them off hills into our yard to simulate fiery wrecks and explosions, ever so careful to make sure the dust cloud mushroomed properly or sent shrapnel in every which direction leading to further destructive effects.

But I was eight. How on earth did I understand the concept of shrapnel? Or death? Or explosions? Well, my Dad would often rent videos for our VCR--war movies, action movies, awesome 80s stuff that is still amazing now if you were to watch it today. I remember one particular film we watched with John Wayne where a hand grenade was tossed into a crowd of men and they all died, yet the explosion happened ten feet away. I asked him, "Why did they die, Dad?" And he explained to me what shrapnel was!

So that further colored my adventures and conquests. And he took me to the theater to watch films such as Top Gun and Robocop, and James Bond and 2010, while I read multitudes of novels and books and National Geographic magazines along with anything and everything I could get my hands on. Eventually a show called "Tour of Duty" aired on television by the time I was ten or eleven, and people were stalking through jungles shooting at asian men and women while bleeding out and crying and dying.

It was my parents' choice that I saw these things. And because of them, I evolved into who I am. I am glad for this. I am glad some censor or safe space advocate did not decide it was not appropriate for my viewing.

As it should have been, and as it should be now.

Have a nice day.

Edited by Mister Blastman, 19 April 2017 - 07:54 PM.

[Karl Marlow]

When I was a kid I didn't need video games to play War. We had sticks and cardboard boxes along with GI Joe's.

When I started playing video games it wasn't like I all of a sudden stopped.

So I guess the answer to your question is we started allowing kids to play War games since the stone age. We never stopped.

[nitra]

why are children allowed to play chess ? teaching them terrible realities such as attrition, sacrifice, and martyrdom are terrible ideas for children to come to grasp with.

We need a committee that only allows for kid safe games to ever be published.

no skipping, jumping, tagging, or other exclusionary mechanics that create removal or isolationism from the group.
our children must be protected from the realities of the world so they can grow up in a protectionist fantasy that allows their utopian dreams to blossom.

Then when the anarchy of inevitable rejection occurs, absolute chaos and ruin will run amok as the idealist with no basis in reality will be unable to come to grasps with the horrors of a true anarchistic society.

Edited by nitra, 19 April 2017 - 05:30 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Is this game rated M/PEGI 16? Is this game Rated T/PEGI 12? No?

Then sit down, have a cold one, and relax.

(Plot-twist: I don't think this game is rated at all).

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 19 April 2017 - 05:31 PM.

[MadHornet]

I was only 15 when I signed up for MWO, I think it was irrelevant a long time ago. That applies to the internet in general.

Though then again, I was familiar with BT already, so I wasn't in 'shock and awe' at the concept of a war game.

[Y E O N N E]

Puresin, on 19 April 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

13 can't drive a car but is allowed to pilot a mech and run around "killing" enemies. anyone else see the problem here?

No, because driving a car can directly kill people for real if mishandled. Playing videogames does nothing of the sort.

[Bl00dbeard]

This, this right here, is an EXCELLENT troll. OP starts out with this almost believable, sheltered almost completely disconnected reality type of statement. It really gets you invested, because everyone at one time or another as a child played with army men, stomped on ants, and was trying to decide if guns or swords where cooler. So suddenly everyone thinks of their childhood and immediately gets irritated.

Then he follows through with a condescending attitude, where HE decides what a 13 year old should know. Lets not forget that a large portion of the world loses their virginity at around 14, and anyone who has ever turned on the news sees all of the murders going on, nah, Puresin knows whats best for every pre-13 child on the planet. Because the bloody depiction of graphic violence that is MWO clearly needs more parental controls.

Then, in a stroke of brilliance he uses a scapegoat... a 'high-pitched' voice online, who must of course be under 13. Using this pretend frustration, he further draws us in. We think of all the times online we have dealt with younger folks, and become even MORE invested.

Well done Puresin, one of the finest troll attempts I've seen in a while. Good stuff! You immediately got the forum riled up. I am truly impressed. All it took was a staggeringly ignorant post. I love it, bravo sir. 10/10 would read again.

[Nightbird]

I prefer teaching kids chess, which simulates killing people by the millions, rather than this game which allows you to kill 12 at most!

Edited by NlGHTBlRD, 19 April 2017 - 05:36 PM.

[Deathlike]

You can lie about your age on the Internets last I checked.

It's not like people will check your ID.

[El Bandito]

I'm more irritated by the fact that YouTube allows everyone to watch some pretty violent **** (fictional or not), while not allowing porn. That **** is whacked, yo.

[Monkey Lover]

[LordNothing]

when i was 13 we had games like doom, this is much much less violent than that. there is not even any blood in this game. no impaled corpses as decoration. no ripped up piles of gore that used to be marines. hell we used to send 13 year olds to actual battle a few hundred years ago. stop perpetuating the wimpification of the human race.

[PlayerUnknown]

yes us old foke only like playing old foke, damn young whipper snappers are to hard core with that er ppc dual gauss pop tart

:-p

[Dino Might]

I watched Top Gun when I was 3 years old. And then watched it another 500 times or so between then and now. I remember fast fowarding through half the movie to get to the flying scenes, especially the end where planes are blowing up (people are dying). I later watched movies like Die Hard and played Street Fighter and the like. I played laser tag, shot at friends with cap guns, and pretended to be infantrymen in the canyon by our house all the time when I was little.

I didn't become a psycopath.

I did, however, become very interested in airplanes, missiles, rockets, and firearms. There is a huge gap between the video game/movie genre and real life. When I have a firearm in a video game, I will do stupid stuff with it. When I have my firearms at the range in real life, I am hypervigilant about safety and won't even load a round until both the range is hot and I've gone through my own additional, personal checklist.

I even remember when I was shooting and a bird decided to land on my target. I had been shooting 1/2" pasties at 100 yds with a Rem40x .22lr match rifle. I could have dropped that bird in a heartbeat. In video games, I've gone out of my way to shoot at environmentals like birds and rocks and trees. In real life, I immediately safed my weapon and waited for the bird to leave, even though I could have continued shooting my targets without hitting the bird, which was perched on the top edge of the target. I didn't even want to risk inadvertently hitting it. I did the same when, after flying away for 5 minutes, it came back and landed in the same place.

Edited by Dino Might, 19 April 2017 - 05:57 PM.

[Spheroid]

I am okay with banning the prebubescent. The vocal pitch kills the fanasty that I am actually playing with/against Natasha Kerensky in her Black Widow.

As a whale my fantasies carry more weight than those of unemployed youth.

Edited by Spheroid, 19 April 2017 - 06:02 PM.

[Alilua]

The real issue is trying to explain to your children why a small caliber AC 2 has so much more range than a massive AC 20 given their velocities in game, sometimes you just have to remind them this is fantasy.