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[Davegt27]

OP I am glad there are people like you
Was reading a book last month about Vietnam areo rifles, in this one section
The author described an incident when the NVA breached the flight line
When the fight was over a Chaplin went to the flight line to check things out and burst into tears
When he saw what was done to a NVA soldier

The author said they wondered why the horrible death did not bother any of them

I grew up with my BB gun hunting snakes and birds yep we killed a ton of animals just for fun
In 4th grade teachers showed us a new game called dodge ball ha ha that did not last long
Seemed the potatoes could not take
We where like hey if you don't want to get hit in the head learn how to duck lol

Maybe we are the ones that need to change and not the OP

Edited by Davegt27, 20 April 2017 - 06:16 PM.

[Mister Blastman]

Davegt27, on 19 April 2017 - 08:26 PM, said:

Maybe we are the ones that need to change and not the OP

[Splatshot]

He is just mad my 6 year old killed him.

[Shifty McSwift]

Puresin, on 19 April 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

anyone else see the problem here?

Yeah, you expecting kids not to be the main audience of every video game is the problem. Put an age threshold on your gaming clan or friends group because developers aren't going to turn away paying customers.

Also comparing gaming to real life like that as an argumentative point is silly. I did it as a joke in a different thread as you can't be taken seriously making such comments.

Also what makes you think there wouldn't be younger pilots in mechs in the lore of the game?

[meteorol]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with 13 year olds playing this game.

When it comes to skill, a 13 year old is probably better than a huge amount of those TT grognards.

[Kaeb Odellas]

There's a good conversation to be had avout the weird glorification of violence in our society at large, but I don't think this game is the right focus for it.

I remember playing Titanfall on PC and hearing what sounded like a 6 year old on voice comms. That's perhaps a better example of kids being exposed to this stuff at too young an age. Or any GTA game.

[kesuga7]

WHat is this game even rated in the US anyway!?

[Vellron2005]

Puresin, on 19 April 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

When did i miss the meeting where we all decided to allow children (ages 16 and under in my book) to be playing WAR games?

I thought that we were supposed to be training or preparing children for school and university and life at that age, not preparing to play video games that include war and the total destruction of enemy mechs?

Seriously, I just played a game with a player that I can GARANTEE the child wasn't even of age to have gone through puberty. I know because he corrected me and told me he was a boy not a girl.

Yes i could have misjudged the age but there is definitely a sickness with the world when people are okay with children playing war games.

And people want to judge other cultures for giving weapons to children.......when we do no less but hide behind the statement that "it's just a video game" the only difference would be that in real life it would be scarier, there'd be kick back and true ammo limitations.

I even saw a post from a 13 year old complaining that he can't get logged into the game due to age restrictions. Whats even worse is there were players on there saying yeah he should be let in to the game.

p.s. this is not an attack at PGI. they actually have an age limit on this game. But the fact that I played with a garanteed child means that parents are just signing their kids up to games and violating age limitation. parents shouldn't be allowed to do that. The ones that do should be banned when they are caught.

not to mention the fact that the tier system means that I have to play with children who have NO idea about tactics and just want to run and gun and ruin the game for the rest of us who want to play an actual game instead.

p.p.s. Just saw the age restriction, it is indeed 13. That is seriously wrong. should be 15 with parental permission and proof provided or 16 and up.

13 can't drive a car but is allowed to pilot a mech and run around "killing" enemies. anyone else see the problem here?

Oh, you're trolling right?

Cose' you can not be serious...

DO try and remember how our older generations were raised? We were watching Terminator movies and horror movies when we were six, not to mention Sledge Hammer shows, or Law and Order, Miami Vice, and just regular porn at 13, were driving on motorcycles when we were 14, and were getting laid at 16..

I was playing Doom as a 12yo, Duke Nukem when I was 14, and by 16, all the Battletech I could muster..

And none of that made me an aggressive serial killer..

It did however teach me english as if it was a second mother tongue (i think in english, although I'm not a native speaker), and it also taught me strategy, expanded my mind and made me more creative, more tolerant, and more inquisitive.

It gave me curiosity and a realization that the world is an ugly, unfair, survival of the fittest type place..

So when the time came to become an adult, I was not disillusioned and did not want to cut my wrists, kill homosexuals for religious reasons, or elect trump as president..

So yeah.. I'd let my 12yo play battletech and MWO.. maybe it teaches him to look the other way and just ignore the salt, and not shoot back when some jackass goofs off and puts an AC20 slug in his rear torso..

P.S.

As far as "kids don't have tactics" - Ever saw /read Ender's Game?

Do you know why you can't be a pro gamer past age 20 and expect to win anything? (hint - slow reaction time)

Do you know that brain power is THE STRONGEST in pre-adolescents? That their brains soak up and process information a lot faster than the brain of an adult? That a baby can learn multiple languages simultaneously?

My point is.. kids actually have more tactics than us adults.. do not underestimate a kid..

P.P.S.

Yesterday, I actually dropped with someone I thought was a kid too.. We were loosing and found ourselves in a bad spot, surrounded by enemies. Then I hear this voice over VOIP that could not have been more than 12.. and he starts drop commanding like a boss, and inspires us to focus fire.. and we decimate the enemy..

Edited by Vellron2005, 20 April 2017 - 12:42 AM.

[DAYLEET]

Kids dont go play indian and cowboy outside anymore, its racist probably. Instead they play Innersphere vs Clanners because clanners are dumb and they smell and live in tribal getto.

[Darth Hotz]

Kids will play in the internet no matter what.

So, I'd rather have my kids playing MWO than other games that are filled with blood, gore and beheadings.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

kesuga7, on 20 April 2017 - 12:24 AM, said:

WHat is this game even rated in the US anyway!?

I'd assume it is rated E for everyone, E10 at most. There is no blood, there is little to no cursing, and the violence is all fantasy violence between giant robots. Though the ESRB doesn't rate online interactions.

Also, lol at this thread.

[TWIAFU]

Puresin, on 19 April 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

When did i miss the meeting where we all decided to allow children (ages 16 and under in my book) to be playing WAR games?

I thought that we were supposed to be training or preparing children for school and university and life at that age, not preparing to play video games that include war and the total destruction of enemy mechs?

Seriously, I just played a game with a player that I can GARANTEE the child wasn't even of age to have gone through puberty. I know because he corrected me and told me he was a boy not a girl.

Yes i could have misjudged the age but there is definitely a sickness with the world when people are okay with children playing war games.

And people want to judge other cultures for giving weapons to children.......when we do no less but hide behind the statement that "it's just a video game" the only difference would be that in real life it would be scarier, there'd be kick back and true ammo limitations.

I even saw a post from a 13 year old complaining that he can't get logged into the game due to age restrictions. Whats even worse is there were players on there saying yeah he should be let in to the game.

p.s. this is not an attack at PGI. they actually have an age limit on this game. But the fact that I played with a garanteed child means that parents are just signing their kids up to games and violating age limitation. parents shouldn't be allowed to do that. The ones that do should be banned when they are caught.

not to mention the fact that the tier system means that I have to play with children who have NO idea about tactics and just want to run and gun and ruin the game for the rest of us who want to play an actual game instead.

p.p.s. Just saw the age restriction, it is indeed 13. That is seriously wrong. should be 15 with parental permission and proof provided or 16 and up.

13 can't drive a car but is allowed to pilot a mech and run around "killing" enemies. anyone else see the problem here?

1950's America called to tell you it is time to get with the now.

[Grimlock Magnus]

I'm surprised this game even HAS a rating. Since there is not blood or sex or violence other than robots being turned into scrap metal, it would not have received any rating where I live. I think it is downright puritan, paternalistic and even childish (pun intended) to prevent kids from playing this game.

The only reason there should be some parental restriction is because the kids could spend money relatively easily, but it's not difficult to prevent that from becoming an issue either I was playing MechWarrior from day 1 at age 8 or 9 I think. Utterly harmless. And I'm all the better for it, because it's a great community (although this forum might give a different impression sometimes. ).

[Lykaon]

Puresin, on 19 April 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

When did i miss the meeting where we all decided to allow children (ages 16 and under in my book) to be playing WAR games?

I thought that we were supposed to be training or preparing children for school and university and life at that age, not preparing to play video games that include war and the total destruction of enemy mechs?

Seriously, I just played a game with a player that I can GARANTEE the child wasn't even of age to have gone through puberty. I know because he corrected me and told me he was a boy not a girl.

Yes i could have misjudged the age but there is definitely a sickness with the world when people are okay with children playing war games.

And people want to judge other cultures for giving weapons to children.......when we do no less but hide behind the statement that "it's just a video game" the only difference would be that in real life it would be scarier, there'd be kick back and true ammo limitations.

I even saw a post from a 13 year old complaining that he can't get logged into the game due to age restrictions. Whats even worse is there were players on there saying yeah he should be let in to the game.

p.s. this is not an attack at PGI. they actually have an age limit on this game. But the fact that I played with a garanteed child means that parents are just signing their kids up to games and violating age limitation. parents shouldn't be allowed to do that. The ones that do should be banned when they are caught.

not to mention the fact that the tier system means that I have to play with children who have NO idea about tactics and just want to run and gun and ruin the game for the rest of us who want to play an actual game instead.

p.p.s. Just saw the age restriction, it is indeed 13. That is seriously wrong. should be 15 with parental permission and proof provided or 16 and up.

13 can't drive a car but is allowed to pilot a mech and run around "killing" enemies. anyone else see the problem here?

You seem to have some issue with separating fantasy from reality (or you're a troll)

13 year olds can't drive a car in much of the world but...brace yourself Mechs are not real. the "killing" is not real it's fantasy and not even a terribly graphic or (de)humanizing portrayal of violence.

A 13 year old may lack the maturity and understanding to operate a motor vehicle and they are restricted from doing so because in real life a car can kill a real person. A fantasy mech shooting fantasy ammo at another fantasy mech can not under any circumstances cause a death of a human (or anything)

There is a gigantic difference between allowing a minor to play a "war game" that simulates giant mecha shooting eachother and graphic bloody person to person war games like Call of Duty. In MWO your targets are not "people" they are machines.

And there is an even more gigantic difference between minors playing a graphic wargame like Call of Duty and being pressed into service as a child soldier ..."when we do no less" really? are you serious?

The "only difference" would be people actually kill and die in real life it's not just scary it's potentially lethal and very very real.

Edited by Lykaon, 20 April 2017 - 03:18 AM.

[Johnny Imba]

In all seriousness even my 5 year old nephew enjoys big stompy robots firing laz0rs just like every kid ever. Pretty innocent fun when compared to whats on the news.

Edited by Johnny Imba, 20 April 2017 - 03:31 AM.

[oldradagast]

Grimlock Magnus, on 20 April 2017 - 03:05 AM, said:

I'm surprised this game even HAS a rating. Since there is not blood or sex or violence other than robots being turned into scrap metal, it would not have received any rating where I live. I think it is downright puritan, paternalistic and even childish (pun intended) to prevent kids from playing this game.

That's the thing. I could see somebody raising a point about allowing young kids to play some game that indulges deeply-screwed up minds. Yes, if your kid gets his jollies out of hiring hookers in GTA and murdering them afterwards before paying them, there's a real problem there that needs to be addressed. But this game? Come on - it's giant, fantasy robots blowing each other up. It's less violent than the old Bugs Bunny cartoons that amused people 2 generations ago for the first time; in those cartoons, violence was being applied on-screen to living beings. Here, it's just giant robots.

Edited by oldradagast, 20 April 2017 - 03:14 AM.

[Escef]

Puresin, on 19 April 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

When did i miss the meeting where we all decided to allow children (ages 16 and under in my book) to be playing WAR games?

A squire would be required to follow the knight he attended onto the battlefield. Typical age was around 14.

I started playing table top Battletech and D&D at the age of 11. I learned a cardgame called "War" when I was in my early single digits. Same with Battleship. Children have also been taught chess, and there is a world championship for players as young as 8. The youngest enlisted soldier during the US Civil War was 13, and while still that age was promoted to Sergeant (youngest non-commissioned officer in US history).

The meeting was held centuries before you were born.

[BLOOD WOLF]

up to the parents my ***.

playing mechwarrior 2 by 8 and any other game I wanted. Nobody was going to stop me from my video games.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 20 April 2017 - 03:27 AM.

[Templar Dane]

15 used to be the age you got married and started producing children.

https://en.wikipedia...use_of_children

Quote

In 1989, the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, Article 38, proclaimed: "State parties shall take all feasible measures to ensure that persons who have not attained the age of 15 years do not take a direct part in hostilities." However, children who are over the age of 15 but under the age of 18 are still voluntarily able to take part in combat as soldiers.

It wasn't until 2002 that that changed to 18.

Pretty sure you can still enlist in the US at 17 if a parent signs off on it, but they aren't supposed to see combat until 18.

MWO has no blood, no gore. Hell, Risk is a war game....

Edited by Templar Dane, 20 April 2017 - 03:39 AM.

[Skipmagnet]

I got into battletech at 12, when the boxed set that said Battletech (rather than Battledroids) got released. For the six years previous to that and the six that followed I lived with the intimate knowledge that if my dad was ever called upon to do his actual job in real life, I and everyone he loved would be radioactive cinders in his rearview, and that he himself would probably die mere hours later, also as a whiff of atomic vapor.

The escapism I was into as a kid? Way tamer than the crap I had to deal with in real life at the time.