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[Vxheous]

KekistanWillRiseAgain, on 25 April 2017 - 10:55 PM, said:

an i5 is not going to "bottleneck" a 1060... that is crazy person talk

Peter2k, on 26 April 2017 - 01:19 AM, said:

really really get a 1060
or a used/reduced 980 if you can


personally having a lot of fun with my 1060





well no not really

aside from MWO there are not many games being so heavy on the CPU, maybe battlefield in multiplayer
but if he doesn't chase high fps gaming and hopes to get 144fps on a 144hz display then the i5 will be fine

a lot of people still play with sandy bridge, or hell bulldozer

This is not an unlocked "K" i5 that people have overclocking to 4.4Ghz+, this is a i5 3350p 3.1Ghz that 1 core boosts to 3.3Ghz, yeah, it's going to bottleneck a GTX 1060. Have you looked at the specs of the 3350p? Yes, people are still using Sandybridges, they're usually almost always 2500K/2600Ks that are again, overclocked past 4.4Ghz.

Since we are on the MWO forums, OP should know that this game is severely bottlenecked by CPU speeds. I recently bought and returned a laptop that had a i7 6700hq + GTX 1060 in it because fps in MWO was dropping into the 30's. Guaranteed the i7 7600hq is faster than the i5 3350p even if it's a laptop i7, and yeah, it was bottlenecking the GTX 1060 (in MWO)

In the end, it's not my money nor my computer, so the OP can pair whatever card he wants to with his processor, I'm not the one that has to use it.

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 26 April 2017 - 03:39 AM.

[LT. HARDCASE]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 26 April 2017 - 03:25 AM, said:

This is not an unlocked "K" i5 that people have overclocking to 4.4Ghz+, this is a i5 3350p 3.1Ghz that 1 core boosts to 3.3Ghz, yeah, it's going to bottleneck a GTX 1060. Have you looked at the specs of the 3350p? Yes, people are still using Sandybridges, they're usually almost always 2500K/2600Ks that are again, overclocked past 4.4Ghz.

Since we are on the MWO forums, OP should know that this game is severely bottlenecked by CPU speeds. I recently bought and returned a laptop that had a i7 6700hq + GTX 1060 in it because fps in MWO was dropping into the 30's. Guaranteed the i7 7600hq is faster than the i5 3350p even if it's a laptop i7, and yeah, it was bottlenecking the GTX 1060 (in MWO)

In the end, it's not my money nor my computer, so the OP can pair whatever card he wants to with his processor, I'm not the one that has to use it.

Glad my laptop has an i7-6820HK, running steady at 4Ghz.

I could push for 4.2Ghz, but I'm currently too lazy to open it and put in some better thermal paste.

[JC Daxion]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 26 April 2017 - 03:25 AM, said:

This is not an unlocked "K" i5 that people have overclocking to 4.4Ghz+, this is a i5 3350p 3.1Ghz that 1 core boosts to 3.3Ghz, yeah, it's going to bottleneck a GTX 1060. Have you looked at the specs of the 3350p? Yes, people are still using Sandybridges, they're usually almost always 2500K/2600Ks that are again, overclocked past 4.4Ghz.

Since we are on the MWO forums, OP should know that this game is severely bottlenecked by CPU speeds. I recently bought and returned a laptop that had a i7 6700hq + GTX 1060 in it because fps in MWO was dropping into the 30's. Guaranteed the i7 7600hq is faster than the i5 3350p even if it's a laptop i7, and yeah, it was bottlenecking the GTX 1060 (in MWO)

In the end, it's not my money nor my computer, so the OP can pair whatever card he wants to with his processor, I'm not the one that has to use it.

well ya i could ust get a better processor too, but there is that thing called money. I don't have the cash to upgrade my chip/board/ram and vid card. Its basically a new comp. So what can i do for least amount of money. For my system the GPU is what i need to upgrade.

I really am not having huge issues with my 3350, the game does run smooth outside the rare light instance that warps that i described above.


The 980, is a good idea, BUT i am very hesitant to buy a used computer part from someone i don't know. Having been in and around the electronics business for nearly my whole life. (dad was a tv/vcr repair man, and i have fixed comps for 20+ years) Used is scetchy. I dunno what someone did to it, or how they overclocked or if it ran hot all the time, or what ever. If i knew i could get a nice 980, that would last me 4 years from someone i'd be all over it. But thing is you don't know what you are getting with used from a private person.


I will be upgrading my chip/board down the road, but most likely not for a few years. It will slow down my card a bit, but i am still going to get a good 200% increase even with my chip speed as is. When i finally do the CPU upgrade i'll get another nice boost so even better long term right?

MY previous 8500 duo-core was a bottleneck for this game. It really hurt the performance. The 3550, i think it has enough to be smooth enough. I really don't think i am running into any CPU issues with the game, and i have some pretty quick ram at 8 gigs with win 10. I'm getting 54 with some dips. the GPU upgrade at the gain i'll get should really get me to a very stable 60FPS at a bit higher settings. That would be perfect from my point of view.



In the end, it might be worth waiting and seeing if the price drops on that 6GB card though. If i can put it off a bit, maybe that one will get down near that $150 sweet spot, that i like to pay for GPU's. It's what i paid for this one many years back, and it took me a very long way. SO thanks for the advice, and something to think about.

Edited by JC Daxion, 27 April 2017 - 12:16 PM.

[Vxheous]

JC Daxion, on 27 April 2017 - 09:24 AM, said:

well ya i could ust get a better processor too, but there is that thing called money. I don't have the cash to upgrade my chip/board/ram and vid card. Its basically a new comp. So what can i do for least amount of money. For my system the GPU is what i need to upgrade.

I really am not having huge issues with my 3350, the game does run smooth outside the rare light instance that warps that i described above.


The 980, is a good idea, BUT i am very hesitant to buy a used computer part from someone i don't know. Having been in and around the electronics business for nearly my whole life. (dad was a tv/vcr repair man, and i have fixed comps for 20+ years) Used is scetchy. I dunno what someone did to it, or how they overclocked or if it ran hot all the time, or what ever. If i knew i could get a nice 980, that would last me 4 years from someone i'd be all over it. But thing is you don't know what you are getting with used from a private person.


I will be upgrading my chip/board down the road, but most likely not for a few years. It will slow down my card a bit, but i am still going to get a good 200% increase even with my chip speed as is. When i finally do the CPU upgrade i'll get another nice boost so even better long term right?

MY previous 8500 duo-core was a bottleneck for this game. It really hurt the performance. The 3550, i think it has enough to be smooth enough. I really don't think i am running into any CPU issues with the game, and i have some pretty quick ram at 8 gigs with win 10. I'm getting 54 with some dips. the GPU upgrade at the gain i'll get should really get me to a very stable 60FPS at a bit higher settings. That would be perfect from my point of view.



In the end, it might be worth waiting and seeing if the price drops on that 6GB card though. If i can put it off a bit, maybe that one will get down near that $150 sweet spot, that i like to pay for GPU's. It's what i paid for this one many years back, and it took me a very long way. SO thanks for the advice, and something to think about.

I totally get the money part, which is why I was suggesting not getting a GTX 1060 for more money and get bottlenecked, and instead stick to the 1050. I'm a firm believer in pairing computer components properly. You wouldn't take a Lamborghini engine and pair it with a Honda Civic transmission, why would people take a GTX 1080Ti and pair it to a AMD fx-6300 (I know I'm exaggerating a bit, but these things do happen)

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 27 April 2017 - 09:36 PM.

[Fox the Apprentice]

LordNothing, on 25 April 2017 - 11:08 PM, said:

its probibly going to be an improvement over my 750ti, so i will probibly get one when i build my next rig this fall. but dont get one because mwo. mwo is an antique game engine and will always run sub-optimal on newer hardware.

My 750 Ti is working nicely
I'm also looking to upgrade, but I've got an i7 860, so I'll probably be building a new PC when I get around to upgrading...


Still, let me know how it works out if you do upgrade. I was considering the 1060, but it all depends on when I get enough money to start building the new PC.

[LordNothing]

Fox the Apprentice, on 27 April 2017 - 10:15 PM, said:

My 750 Ti is working nicely
I'm also looking to upgrade, but I've got an i7 860, so I'll probably be building a new PC when I get around to upgrading...


Still, let me know how it works out if you do upgrade. I was considering the 1060, but it all depends on when I get enough money to start building the new PC.

fall is still a long time away and im not sure what my budget will be. likely $600 - $800 bucks, probibly reusing the case and ssd drives i already own. i think il finally ramp up my ram to 16 gigs and go to a 4 gig card. and either a high end i5 or middle ground i7. whatever i can cram into this elite 110 mini itx case. plans usually get cost cut come design time when i start looking at prices, all i know now is what i want to do, not whats actually going to happen.

[Vxheous]

LordNothing, on 27 April 2017 - 10:39 PM, said:

fall is still a long time away and im not sure what my budget will be. likely $600 - $800 bucks, probibly reusing the case and ssd drives i already own. i think il finally ramp up my ram to 16 gigs and go to a 4 gig card. and either a high end i5 or middle ground i7. whatever i can cram into this elite 110 mini itx case. plans usually get cost cut come design time when i start looking at prices, all i know now is what i want to do, not whats actually going to happen.

Go either high end i5 or high end i7, high end i5 (unlocked K's) > middle ground i7, especially after the i5 gets overclocked to 4.8-5.0ghz

[LordNothing]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 27 April 2017 - 11:13 PM, said:

Go either high end i5 or high end i7, high end i5 (unlocked K's) > middle ground i7, especially after the i5 gets overclocked to 4.8-5.0ghz

i dont only build for performance but also low noise and thermally/power efficient. if i can drop a notch to get my tdp down i will.

Edited by LordNothing, 27 April 2017 - 11:24 PM.

[Vxheous]

LordNothing, on 27 April 2017 - 11:15 PM, said:

i dont only build for performance but also low noise and thermally/power efficient. if i can drop a notch to get my tdp down i will.

Your computer, not mine, obviously do as you wish.

[LordNothing]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 28 April 2017 - 01:02 AM, said:

Your computer, not mine, obviously do as you wish.

obviously there is a balance point to be reached. i want stable framerates in all the games i play, and to be fair this rig pulls it off ok, its only that its showing its age. still debating if i really need the hyperthreaded cores or not. some of my cad programs, compilers, and logic synthesizers and anywhere you need to deal with video encoding can all benefit from the extra threads. but then again i dont use those a whole lot.

did a super high end $3k rig back in the core 2 era and the thing was such a money sink that i never wanted to play around with the cutting edge ever again. i dont overclock unless its done at the factory. im currently running an i7 4790k and if the current gen i5s are better in performance than what im running now i see no reason to go the i7 route. new computer needs to be better than the old one, otherwise id be better off replacing the power supply, getting a new video card and maybe replace the mobo if the thing is still glitchy (you cant get 3 years out of anything anymore).

[Ghogiel]

LordNothing, on 28 April 2017 - 06:49 AM, said:

obviously there is a balance point to be reached. i want stable framerates in all the games i play, and to be fair this rig pulls it off ok, its only that its showing its age. still debating if i really need the hyperthreaded cores or not. some of my cad programs, compilers, and logic synthesizers and anywhere you need to deal with video encoding can all benefit from the extra threads. but then again i dont use those a whole lot.

did a super high end $3k rig back in the core 2 era and the thing was such a money sink that i never wanted to play around with the cutting edge ever again. i dont overclock unless its done at the factory. im currently running an i7 4790k and if the current gen i5s are better in performance than what im running now i see no reason to go the i7 route. new computer needs to be better than the old one, otherwise id be better off replacing the power supply, getting a new video card and maybe replace the mobo if the thing is still glitchy (you cant get 3 years out of anything anymore).

You are in right at the cusp of crappy transition spot for the mobo.. I'd look at replacing that soon with what ever good one you can for cheap because those 1150s are disapearing from stock. Which is the next point, if you upgrade your CPU, you wll be looking at having to get a new mobo with something like a 1151 socket AND having to replace your DDR3 with DDR4.

Really though your CPU is still quite good imo. Since it's a K I would just buy a corsair water cooler and overclock that a bit a run it until coffee lake comes out. Assuming your mobo chipset can overclock or doesn't glitch or what ever you were saying. Then look at getting the whole cpu/mobo/ram upgrade.

Edited by Ghogiel, 28 April 2017 - 07:14 AM.

[LordNothing]

i was going to do a psu+video card update last october, but because the governor of the state of alaska is a male member and capped our pfds at $1k, i didnt have the dough for it.

most computer issues these days stem from shoddy psus. you cant even rely on platinum rated units for more than a couple years before they start developing a personality all their own. so its unlikely a mobo swap is neccisary unless its covered with shoddy electrolytic capacitors, and im not beyond swapping those out either. though another reason im considering one is the amount of abuse me and my cat do to the usb bus. between all the wire chewing and failed arduino projects, im supprised they still work at all.

Edited by LordNothing, 28 April 2017 - 08:20 AM.

[Vxheous]

LordNothing, on 28 April 2017 - 06:49 AM, said:

obviously there is a balance point to be reached. i want stable framerates in all the games i play, and to be fair this rig pulls it off ok, its only that its showing its age. still debating if i really need the hyperthreaded cores or not. some of my cad programs, compilers, and logic synthesizers and anywhere you need to deal with video encoding can all benefit from the extra threads. but then again i dont use those a whole lot.

did a super high end $3k rig back in the core 2 era and the thing was such a money sink that i never wanted to play around with the cutting edge ever again. i dont overclock unless its done at the factory. im currently running an i7 4790k and if the current gen i5s are better in performance than what im running now i see no reason to go the i7 route. new computer needs to be better than the old one, otherwise id be better off replacing the power supply, getting a new video card and maybe replace the mobo if the thing is still glitchy (you cant get 3 years out of anything anymore).

Your i7 4970K is still a really good processor for gaming, just overclock it to 4.8ghz with a good cooler and you can get another 2 years+ out of it

LordNothing, on 28 April 2017 - 08:20 AM, said:

i was going to do a psu+video card update last october, but because the governor of the state of alaska is a male member and capped our pfds at $1k, i didnt have the dough for it.

most computer issues these days stem from shoddy psus. you cant even rely on platinum rated units for more than a couple years before they start developing a personality all their own. so its unlikely a mobo swap is neccisary unless its covered with shoddy electrolytic capacitors, and im not beyond swapping those out either. though another reason im considering one is the amount of abuse me and my cat do to the usb bus. between all the wire chewing and failed arduino projects, im supprised they still work at all.

Depends on the PSU manufacturer, most seasonic and superflower PSU's go for 10 years. Actually, the EVGA SuperNOVA line (Superflower rebrand) has a 10 year warranty on their PSU's

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 28 April 2017 - 08:23 AM.

[Jackal Noble]

LordNothing, on 28 April 2017 - 06:49 AM, said:

obviously there is a balance point to be reached. i want stable framerates in all the games i play, and to be fair this rig pulls it off ok, its only that its showing its age. still debating if i really need the hyperthreaded cores or not. some of my cad programs, compilers, and logic synthesizers and anywhere you need to deal with video encoding can all benefit from the extra threads. but then again i dont use those a whole lot.

did a super high end $3k rig back in the core 2 era and the thing was such a money sink that i never wanted to play around with the cutting edge ever again. i dont overclock unless its done at the factory. im currently running an i7 4790k and if the current gen i5s are better in performance than what im running now i see no reason to go the i7 route. new computer needs to be better than the old one, otherwise id be better off replacing the power supply, getting a new video card and maybe replace the mobo if the thing is still glitchy (you cant get 3 years out of anything anymore).

TBH a little perplexed by the current Kaby Lakes of intel, as they are more or less .3 ghz better than the skylakes, and that's about it, talking about the quad cores, not the hex. So for about 40 bucks (or more) more you gain about an almost negligible increase in performance over the skylake series (currently have i56600k). I am very, very happy with my 6600k. picked it up off Jet for $204 bucks ( your first 3 overall purchases get like 15% off, so you can snag a decent price on 3 major components for a build, what I did and what I'd recommend to look into.)

Of the I5 skylakes/kabys the 6500 (7500) and 6600(7600) series seem to be at the best price point/performance plus comparable performance to the much more expensive i7 series.

Ram has gotten stupid expensive this year jumping ~$30 bucks in price. Supposedly due to the mobile market increase in demand for ram.

PSUs are pretty damn cheap.
Cases are pretty damn cheap.
It's worth it to step up into the next tier of vid cards (^$200) as this is the year of the 10 series and they will be around and relevant for ~3 years.

SSDs are still overpriced but deals can be found (also an absolute necessity if you want to see at least a 1/3 increase in load speeds)

[Vxheous]

JackalBeast, on 28 April 2017 - 08:22 AM, said:

TBH a little perplexed by the current Kaby Lakes of intel, as they are more or less .3 ghz better than the skylakes, and that's about it, talking about the quad cores, not the hex. So for about 40 bucks (or more) more you gain about an almost negligible increase in performance over the skylake series (currently have i56600k). I am very, very happy with my 6600k. picked it up off Jet for $204 bucks ( your first 3 overall purchases get like 15% off, so you can snag a decent price on 3 major components for a build, what I did and what I'd recommend to look into.)

Of the I5 skylakes/kabys the 6500 (7500) and 6600(7600) series seem to be at the best price point/performance plus comparable performance to the much more expensive i7 series.

Ram has gotten stupid expensive this year jumping ~$30 bucks in price. Supposedly due to the mobile market increase in demand for ram.

PSUs are pretty damn cheap.
Cases are pretty damn cheap.
It's worth it to step up into the next tier of vid cards (^$200) as this is the year of the 10 series and they will be around and relevant for ~3 years.

SSDs are still overpriced but deals can be found (also an absolute necessity if you want to see at least a 1/3 increase in load speeds)

If you have a Skylake, there's no point in a Kaby lake, as you're right, they're all just clocked ~200mhz faster out of factory. The difference I've noticed is with overclocking. My computer has a i5 6600K that I can only overclock to 4.6Ghz on 1.33v. Even giving the processor 1.40v, I have trouble keeping it stable at 4.8Ghz. I just recently built my wife a computer with a i5 7600K, and it is clocked at 4.8Ghz on 1.25v. For interest's sake, I was capable of clocking it to 5.1Ghz stable on 1.37v, but the temperatures were a bit high.

[Jackal Noble]

damn. And here I was happy with 4.1.

[Jackal Noble]

That said, there are alternative options for OCing 'locked skylake/kaby (6400/7400) processors on ASRock Mobos.

[Laughing Fat Man]

I would look at the EVGA "B-Stock" page (manufacturer refurbished, includes a 1 year warranty)

http://www.evga.com/...ist.aspx?type=8

They currently have a GTX 1060 6GB for $208

[LordNothing]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 28 April 2017 - 08:21 AM, said:

Depends on the PSU manufacturer, most seasonic and superflower PSU's go for 10 years. Actually, the EVGA SuperNOVA line (Superflower rebrand) has a 10 year warranty on their PSU's

ive tried a lot of recommended, highly regarded brands, and have yet to develop any brand loyalty to any of them because their psus die after 2 years. a brand that comes with a 10 year warranty might be good even though i never trust any company to uphold a warranty, and if they do they give you a refurbished unit instead.

JackalBeast, on 28 April 2017 - 08:22 AM, said:

TBH a little perplexed by the current Kaby Lakes of intel, as they are more or less .3 ghz better than the skylakes, and that's about it, talking about the quad cores, not the hex. So for about 40 bucks (or more) more you gain about an almost negligible increase in performance over the skylake series (currently have i56600k). I am very, very happy with my 6600k. picked it up off Jet for $204 bucks ( your first 3 overall purchases get like 15% off, so you can snag a decent price on 3 major components for a build, what I did and what I'd recommend to look into.)

Of the I5 skylakes/kabys the 6500 (7500) and 6600(7600) series seem to be at the best price point/performance plus comparable performance to the much more expensive i7 series.

Ram has gotten stupid expensive this year jumping ~$30 bucks in price. Supposedly due to the mobile market increase in demand for ram.

PSUs are pretty damn cheap.
Cases are pretty damn cheap.
It's worth it to step up into the next tier of vid cards (^$200) as this is the year of the 10 series and they will be around and relevant for ~3 years.

SSDs are still overpriced but deals can be found (also an absolute necessity if you want to see at least a 1/3 increase in load speeds)

moores law isnt what it used to be. ive gone from building a new computer every 2 years and getting awesome increases in performance to fixing up my computer every 3 years because intel hasn't even tick tocked at the usual rate. ive been running 8gb ram on my last 4 rigs and havent seen any real reason to move up to more, but games these days are really starting to suck up memory, and oses are becoming bloated beasts.

as for ssds i currently have 3 of them totaling about 1.25 tb and another 1tb mechanical backup drive. which is enough for my purposes. these things have done more for performance than the last 5 years in cpu/gpu developments. flash is further back along the moors law curve curve and has a lot of wiggle room left to improve performance and cut costs. i do want to move away from sata units and get m2 or other slotted type drives the other mini-itx builders seem to be using, and this is mostly because im getting fed up with the shoddy quality on sata connectors and cabling. i cant afford the drive and the rest of the computer, but i will choose a mobo with the slot and populate it at a later date. in the interrim i can invest in some higher quality sata cables.

Edited by LordNothing, 28 April 2017 - 08:50 AM.

[Jackal Noble]

Yep, that's why from now on I will only get a mobo with at least 2 m.2s. Of course, that is probably the realistic max for those on a mobo and still have room for everything else.

Edited by JackalBeast, 28 April 2017 - 08:56 AM.