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[Deathlike]

Prosperity Park, on 25 April 2017 - 01:30 PM, said:

Modules are being refunded in the form of skill tree unlocks. Things that let you increase sensor ranges, make your guns shoot faster, etc. There are select few people here on the forums who are dense enough to not see that as a good thing.

You bought modules to increase mech performance. You are receiving mech enhancement points as a refund.

This complaint is simply mind-blowing.

I WANT C-BILLS. THIS MEANS MORE ENGINES AND MORE MECHS.

I do NOT give a damn about SKILL POINTS.

[Telemachus -Salt Wife Salt Life-]

Let me break it down for you people who seem to defend the proposed refund system.

People are just saying that PGI should do refunds in the same currency that people first spent on purchasing whatever in game.

I don't understand how that's a wildly unfair or mindblowing concept.

GXP = HXP

Cbills = Cbills

MC = MC

Inventing a new currency for refunds will never truly capture people's decision making at the time of purchase. It's like if you went to a store to get a refund for something that they recalled but that you bought in USD and they offered you some currency that they made up.

Edited by Telemachus Rheade, 25 April 2017 - 01:36 PM.

[Miodog]

Telemachus Rheade, on 25 April 2017 - 01:34 PM, said:

Let me break it down for you people who seem to defend the proposed refund system.

People are just saying that PGI should do refunds in the same currency that people first spent on purchasing whatever in game.

I don't understand how that's a wildly unfair or mindblowing concept.

GXP = HXP

Cbills = Cbills

MC = MC

This and exactly this. Why is it so hard?

[Deathlike]

I do NOT WANT #PGIStoreCredit in the form of #GSP.

I DO WANT C-bills NOT SKILL POINTS.

[SnafuSnafu]

Nesutizale, on 25 April 2017 - 01:30 PM, said:

Exactly I bought them to improve the performance of my mechs...so why do I get Cbills instead of GSP?
At least for one half...the other half of my modules is older...

They gave you back exactly what you originally intended for your cbills to do, which is to increase performance of mechs, which is EXACTLY FAIR. What you want is to re-purpose that spent cbill to something else, meaning you want MORE than what you originally intended rather than exact, this is understandable but do note that YOU HAVE NOT BEEN WRONGED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

Edited by SnafuSnafu, 25 April 2017 - 01:38 PM.

[Deathlike]

SnafuSnafu, on 25 April 2017 - 01:37 PM, said:

They gave you back exactly what you originally intended for your cbills to do, which is to increase performance of mechs, which EXACTLY FAIR. What you want is to re-purpose that spent cbill to something else, meaning you want MORE than originally intended rather than exact, this is understandable but do note you've not been wronged IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

#GSP is not going to buy mechs or buy engines.

FULL STOP.

[MechaBattler]

This is quite hilarious to me. xD

Still they should have considered how upset people would be that they wouldn't become c-billionaires over night.

[Nesutizale]

So finaly DL is finished and lets see

From modules I get
1667 GSP
15.000.000 CBills

What?

Just convert the 15 million to GSP too. I don't have a problem with getting more Cbills but when owning a module represents "skills" in the new system I want to have my "skills" back.

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

Prosperity Park, on 25 April 2017 - 01:30 PM, said:

Modules are being refunded in the form of skill tree unlocks. Things that let you increase sensor ranges, make your guns shoot faster, etc. There are select few people here on the forums who are dense enough to not see that as a good thing.

You bought modules to increase mech performance. You are receiving mech enhancement points as a refund.

This complaint is simply mind-blowing.

Let me see if I can break it down for you.

You go to your local burger joint and order a burger and fries. You add cheese. YOU PAY. The joint is out of cheese. Instead of refunding you for the cost of the cheese, the joint gives you an extra bun. You don't need the bun, you already have the bun, you want the cheese, you paid for the cheese....you would want your money back to!

There is nothing complicated or mind-blowing about this.

Edited by Jaybles, 25 April 2017 - 01:47 PM.

[Khobai]

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Still they should have considered how upset people would be that they wouldn't become c-billionaires over night.

but the cbills were earned. theyre not being conjured out of thin air.

again pgi should at least refund half the cbill value of the modules bought before feburary in cbills, the same as if we sell them.

and the full cbill value of modules bought after february.

yes I realize some people are selling modules manually for half. My problem is I cant tell WHEN I bought certain modules (before or after february). So I dont know what modules to sell for half. And what modules to hold onto for the full refund.

Edited by Khobai, 25 April 2017 - 01:42 PM.

[Nesutizale]

SnafuSnafu, on 25 April 2017 - 01:37 PM, said:

They gave you back exactly what you originally intended for your cbills to do, which is to increase performance of mechs, which is EXACTLY FAIR. What you want is to re-purpose that spent cbill to something else, meaning you want MORE than what you originally intended rather than exact, this is understandable but do note that YOU HAVE NOT BEEN WRONGED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

Dude no? I don't get back what I intendet? I spend Cbills to improve my mech. Now I get Cbills to not improve my mech because I miss skillpoints.
So in the end some of my mechs will not performe as good as they used to be.

[Deathlike]

Jaybles, on 25 April 2017 - 01:40 PM, said:

Let me see if I can break it down for you.

You go to your local burger joint and order a burger and fries. You add cheese. YOU PAY. The joint is out of cheese. Instead of refunding you for the cost of the cheese, the joint gives you extra an extra bun. You don't need the bun, you already have the bun, you want the cheese, you paid for the cheese....you would want your money back to!

There is nothing complicated or mind-blowing about this.

Do NOT want #PGIStoreCredit.

Do want C-bills to buy other stuff.

Nesutizale, on 25 April 2017 - 01:39 PM, said:

So finaly DL is finished and lets see

From modules I get
1667 GSP
15.000.000 CBills

What?

Just convert the 15 million to GSP too. I don't have a problem with getting more Cbills but when owning a module represents "skills" in the new system I want to have my "skills" back.

I would be getting vast mounds of GSP for only what, 2-3 dozen mechs tops?

No, I'd like C-bills.

I still have plenty of them, so that's not the reason. I like more engines and mechs. I'm not sure what's lost on you.

Edited by Deathlike, 25 April 2017 - 01:42 PM.

[SnafuSnafu]

Jaybles, on 25 April 2017 - 01:40 PM, said:

Let me see if I can break it down for you.

You go to your local burger joint and order a burger and fries. You add cheese. YOU PAY. The joint is out of cheese. Instead of refunding you for the cost of the cheese, the joint gives you extra an extra bun. You don't need the bun, you already have the bun, you want the cheese, you paid for the cheese....you would want your money back to!

There is nothing complicated or mind-blowing about this.

Bud you payed for cheese and you got cheese.

[Nesutizale]

Deathlike, on 25 April 2017 - 01:42 PM, said:

Do NOT want #PGIStoreCredit.

Do want C-bills to buy other stuff.




I would be getting vast mounds of GSP for only what, 2-3 dozen mechs tops?

No, I'd like C-bills.

I still have plenty of them, so that's not the reason. I like more engines and mechs. I'm not sure what's lost on you.

Thats why I said the new idea screws both parties. Those who would like to have Cbills and those who would like to have GSP.
I just bought some modules to improve my mechs. Now I can't have the improvement back because I get Cbills.
You on the other hand get back more then enough GSP to skill them but miss the money to buy other stuff.

Thats why its not good for both of us.

Edited by Nesutizale, 25 April 2017 - 01:48 PM.

[Deathlike]

MechaBattler, on 25 April 2017 - 01:39 PM, said:

This is quite hilarious to me. xD

Still they should have considered how upset people would be that they wouldn't become c-billionaires over night.

What PGI should have thought of is the how their whole system works in a nutshell.

For instance, there's actually less of a reason to buy mechpacks if you're going to aim for grinding out that one special variant (even if it's buying the hero months later just because it's the best variant for whatever the reason). The average player will not have an real want or need to grind a Spider-5V or Panther-10P... it's only cool if you're a Pokemech collector, but it's not hard to convince the average person that you can just outright ignore certain horribly balanced/designed variants (what is the point of a CTF-4X honestly, with all the other options on the table).

It brings more attention to how bad balance is with the game.

[Khobai]

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Bud you payed for cheese and you got cheese.

except PGI is taking the cheese away, not giving us our cbills back, and giving us free ketchup packets we dont need as "compensation".

this is literally legalized thievery, that PGI can get away with because its fake money. there is no other way to look at it. why you steal my cbills PGI why.


Like I said im willing to accept a 50% depreciation on the value of modules that were bought before february, because in fairness I did use them. give me half the cbill value. exactly the same as if I sold them. the problem is I cant tell what ones I bought before february.

Edited by Khobai, 25 April 2017 - 01:52 PM.

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

SnafuSnafu, on 25 April 2017 - 01:44 PM, said:

Bud you payed for cheese and you got cheese.

Brah! the cook just stole the cheese off my burger!

This is not the burger I ordered.

Edited by Jaybles, 25 April 2017 - 01:49 PM.

[lazytopaz]

(insert whatever here) PGI for unneccessary nerf to CN9-D. And to all those mechs that needed their quirk just to be avarage mechs. Taking out that 15% cooldown (10 from ballistics 5 from lbx10) as well as taking out modules (12%) and mastery of a mech (5%) to sum it up :
32% cooldown reduction through skill tree introduction.
Through speccing into the tree you only get 9,9% back. Thanks PGI. Thanks a lot. I hope someone will come to your house finds your precious most favourite thing and right in front of you destroys the s#it out of it.

Just another centurion that once was original and unique. Now you might as well pilot CN9-A and it wont make any difference.

I'd like a refund because after skill tree hits (and I presume nothing will change) this centurion should not cost 8,157,590 Cbills. It should cost as much as its other brothers (about 3,5-3,7 mil cbill).

[Khobai]

While were at it, PGI should also refund me for having to buy three variants of a mech. Because I never wouldve done that if I knew they were changing it so I didnt have to. And refund me for the ungodly number of mechbays I had to buy to support three variants of each mech.

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Brah! the cook just stole the cheese off my burger!

more like he time traveled from 2 years in the future and stole the cheese after you payed for it. its ridiciulous and it sounds like a episode of rick and morty. but this is what PGI is doing to us.

Edited by Khobai, 25 April 2017 - 01:56 PM.

[Nesutizale]

As for the burger and cheese stuff...beside getting hungry... I think the conversion of modules to GSP is quite fair.
I get my performance with the mech back and its allready paid for. I don't have a problem with that.

I just can't understand why they don't do it for all modules.