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[Bishop Steiner]

Heffay, on 26 April 2017 - 02:08 PM, said:

(It was a trap... you weren't supposed to walk into it!)

Tis the curse of my autism. I just read what is literally there. *shrugs*

[Bulletsponge0]

All I know is that I was looking forward to the cbill refund so I could fill the pile of empty mechbays I have.

Now, I'll be able to fully spec every mech I own, plus another 300 ...but not be able to fill those mechbays.....

[Heffay]

Bulletsponge0, on 26 April 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

All I know is that I was looking forward to the cbill refund so I could fill the pile of empty mechbays I have.

Now, I'll be able to fully spec every mech I own, plus another 300 ...but not be able to fill those mechbays.....

If you do the math properly, you'll be able to fully master all your mechs (including the ones that aren't currently done), and then sell the extra modules you currently own for a huge pile of cash (even at 50% of the refund value).

And if by some unbelievable quirk you actually have every mech mastered, you can take this opportunity to buy a few new mechs, knowing that they too can be fully mastered instantly. And STILL have cbills left over.

We're getting a frickin' windfall of resources here. FAR more than we were getting originally. It's crazy people are opposed to this at all.

[DAYLEET]

Deathlike, on 26 April 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

I have almost 1.2m GXP, and will never need/use that many. Excess of something tends to become irrelevant value when something of greater need is in demand (C-bills).

You are not as rich as you think. When i saw my return i gleamed and then i took the calculator out. A single node cost 400 xp or gxp to refeat. Lets say you want to change your mech and switch 50 nodes, theres 20k gxp gone, now maybe you want to try something else or build it back as it was, another 20k. Two games played and 40k gxp gone. This isnt the current gxp system where you only unlock something once. You will be, at least I will be, constantly switching things around and i know this because im already doing this in the current no skill tree system.

The skill tree will be costly and fast. Your 1.2million gsp will be worth 3k nodes, thats 12 mech full refeat if you go for the whole 242 skill. You cant circumvent that will cbills, you have to pay the xp taxes.

[Moonlight Grimoire]

Bishop Steiner, on 26 April 2017 - 09:38 AM, said:

so what are you asking for then?

Seriously? Money for Gundams? Because any cbills spent on Modules were spent to make said Gundams more effective, yes? So what else is PGI supposed to reimburse?

What I want is the option to sell GSP at 100% value so people can choose to get a module refund or not and if so how any modules to be refunded. Some want that GSP because it is useful to them, some GSP isn't really that useful due to the mountains of HSP and GXP we already have so flat cbills is more worth while. It lets people pick what is best for us. It allows people to pick not making our stompy robots better for instead buying equipment for our stompy robots. So basically I am just asking for an option to sell GSP or select on login how much GSP they want to get refunded and how many cbills they want to be refunded from "legacy" modules. Yes, it is a lot more work, but, either option works, gives people access to both GSP and Cbills, and stops the QQ because now it is in the players hands if they want GSP or Cbills when the changes land and not PGI's.

[Heffay]

Moonlight Grimoire, on 26 April 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

and stops the QQ

Nothing will stop the QQ. This event just shows that there are some people who are natural Drama QQueens, and will find a way to complain about it.

Some people complain about some things. Other people complain about every thing. At least this has helped identify the latter group quite clearly.

[DAYLEET]

Heffay, on 26 April 2017 - 02:08 PM, said:

(It was a trap... you weren't supposed to walk into it!)

Whats wrong with allowing people to use cash to do the same thing i can do with ingame mechanics? As long as the former does not dictate/balance the later im all for it. Let people pour cash into it, i dont care.

[JohnnyWayne]

Prosperity Park, on 26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM, said:

You bought modules to improve mech performance. This includes sensor upgrades, weapon mods, etc.


You did not buy them as if they were trade bonds. You did not buy modules for the sake of using them as a C-Bill reservoir for later liquidation. You did not buy them for the sake of laundering Cbills and refusing to equip them on your Mechs.

Face it, if you bought modules, it is because you wanted to spend your Cbills on weapon mods, sensor upgrades, etc. If you didn't want these things, you would not have bought those modules.

In exchange for your modules, you are getting skill points that act as weapon mods, sensor upgrades, etc. You are exchanging upgrades for upgrades.

If you are complaining about this, then you have to openly admit that you bought modules for the sole sake of selling them back later, and *not* to equip them on your Mech to improve performance.

I don't think anyone here is that stupid. So, please, drop the act and stop complaining. I know you are not that dumb, I have faith in you.

I bought modules way more generous than I needed to because I was promised my money back once they are gone. I expect them to keep their promises.

No more to discuss.

Edited by JohnnyWayne, 26 April 2017 - 02:39 PM.

[Heffay]

DAYLEET, on 26 April 2017 - 02:36 PM, said:

Whats wrong with allowing people to use cash to do the same thing i can do with ingame mechanics? As long as the former does not dictate/balance the later im all for it. Let people pour cash into it, i dont care.

I am 100% in support of people being able to use cash to buy MC to convert GSP into c-bills. I hope PGI implements such a system.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Check HSP first......
Then give yourself some GSP "cover" for experimentation.
GSP for "new mechs" + experimentation
GXP/HXP which cost to apply but are there for back-up.
Figure out the module to GSP level you need and sell surplus modules.

You're golden. It's a bit of work. It's not really fair to us (would prefer an ingame setting on the "ledger" they're using) but....that's probably more than I can expect from PGI at this point for implementation.

Folks should be pretty well off.

In the meantime, people keep lobbying for full refunds, cuz I like free stuff too.

JohnnyWayne, on 26 April 2017 - 02:38 PM, said:

I bought modules way more generous than I needed to because I was promised my money back once they are gone. I expect them to keep their promises.

No more to discuss.

Go read the notes. For all modules you "over purchased" past the announcement rate, you're going to get reimbursed 100% in c-bills, per PGI. It's the pre-announcement modules that people bought that are the debate here.

[JohnnyWayne]

Then everything is fine and people should STFU. End of discussion. Moving on ^,^

[Rakshasa]

So...wait. I'm at Uni at the moment and can't see what will happen to my modules. All of them were bought before December. Pardon if I've missed the point, but do they get converted into GSP or just poof into nothingness? Or something else?

I only ask so I know whether to sell them for $ before the skill tree hits or keep them. I'm fine either way. Looking forwards to trying the new skill system and enjoying fresh, crisp, bright spring days

[Moonlight Grimoire]

Heffay, on 26 April 2017 - 02:35 PM, said:

Nothing will stop the QQ. This event just shows that there are some people who are natural Drama QQueens, and will find a way to complain about it.

Some people complain about some things. Other people complain about every thing. At least this has helped identify the latter group quite clearly.

That is true, I am trying to be reasonable, GSP really doesn't help me. I mean we are talking relatively small number of mechs compared to others who would get hundreds of free mechs completely mastered out via GSP while I get something like 14.1 or so via 1289 or so GSP. But, for someone with only 63 mechs, each one I care to master already mastered, and the ones that aren't aren't due to I can't be arsed to by 2 more mechs to complete the rule of 3 and have a couple hundred thousand XP on them anyways, GSP actually is kind of harmful since I could without GSP still master them with Cbills if instead I got Cbills.

It is why I feel that GSP is redundant with HXP/HSP being a thing, where you get x number of free SP on a mech for however many skills you had unlocked before it makes GSP pointless as module unlocks aren't treated as progression within the system. So it feels more right to just hand back cbills instead and GXP for the module unlocks instead of getting GSP which is edge case useful instead of universally useful.

[Heffay]

Moonlight Grimoire, on 26 April 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:

That is true, I am trying to be reasonable, GSP really doesn't help me.

GSP does help you. Find out how many HXP and GXP you need to master out all your mechs. Find out how many HXP and GXP you will get from the change (minus modules).

If you have more HXP and GSP than you have mechs to fully master, then you sell all your modules at 50% (the ones that you don't get 100% for) and have a stable full of fully mastered mechs and millions of extra c-bills.

If you don't have enough HXP and GSP (or there are mechs you don't care to master), but you are getting more than enough GSP from the modules, calculate the cutoff point and sell the remaining modules. Same as before.

If you add up all the HXP and GSP and all the benefits from the converted modules and you STILL don't have enough to fully master your stable, then you really didn't have a lot of mastered mechs in the first place and probably shouldn't be considered really an end-game ready player. It means you have many hours still to get mastered out.

We players are going to be cashing in. At least the ones who can do math, and assuming the whiners who can't don't ruin it for everyone like the last batch of whiners did.

[Bishop Steiner]

DAYLEET, on 26 April 2017 - 02:36 PM, said:

Whats wrong with allowing people to use cash to do the same thing i can do with ingame mechanics? As long as the former does not dictate/balance the later im all for it. Let people pour cash into it, i dont care.

I don't think anything is inherently wrong with the idea, itself, though it's also not inherently needed.

And another delay to add another unneeded layer? Definitely not needed.

[Bulletsponge0]

Heffay, on 26 April 2017 - 02:30 PM, said:

If you do the math properly, you'll be able to fully master all your mechs (including the ones that aren't currently done), and then sell the extra modules you currently own for a huge pile of cash (even at 50% of the refund value).

And if by some unbelievable quirk you actually have every mech mastered, you can take this opportunity to buy a few new mechs, knowing that they too can be fully mastered instantly. And STILL have cbills left over.

We're getting a frickin' windfall of resources here. FAR more than we were getting originally. It's crazy people are opposed to this at all.

Oh, I already plan on selling modules before the skill tree drops, recoup some cbills and still have plenty of gsp for my mechs

[Bishop Steiner]

Heffay, on 26 April 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

assuming the whiners who can't don't ruin it for everyone like the last batch of whiners did.

Ha. You're such an optimist.

[Moonlight Grimoire]

Heffay, on 26 April 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

GSP does help you. Find out how many HXP and GXP you need to master out all your mechs. Find out how many HXP and GXP you will get from the change (minus modules).

If you have more HXP and GSP than you have mechs to fully master, then you sell all your modules at 50% (the ones that you don't get 100% for) and have a stable full of fully mastered mechs and millions of extra c-bills.

If you don't have enough HXP and GSP (or there are mechs you don't care to master), but you are getting more than enough GSP from the modules, calculate the cutoff point and sell the remaining modules. Same as before.

If you add up all the HXP and GSP and all the benefits from the converted modules and you STILL don't have enough to fully master your stable, then you really didn't have a lot of mastered mechs in the first place and probably shouldn't be considered really an end-game ready player. It means you have many hours still to get mastered out.

We players are going to be cashing in. At least the ones who can do math, and assuming the whiners who can't don't ruin it for everyone like the last batch of whiners did.

Don't even need to calculate, went on PTS and did it without using any GSP, so. In that case, fine, I will sell my modules for 50% value, minus the one that I am getting a full refund for, on May 15th, or may 14th since 15th I will be busy. Like, I am okay if PGI goes through with this, it just would be less work for more people if PGI just had a way for players to select what way to refund their modules. I get we bought them as upgrades for our mechs, but, they were treated as weightless equipment that is now being folded into the new skill system. And yes, I do hope the people wanting to burn the whole place down if they don't get a 100% refund aren't listened to, I'll take a 50% refund for my modules that I have to do manually over the GSP, I just am stating my preferred option, if my preferred option isn't going to happen, oh well. That really is my only beef with the system.

[Alan Davion]

Rakshasa, on 26 April 2017 - 02:51 PM, said:

So...wait. I'm at Uni at the moment and can't see what will happen to my modules. All of them were bought before December. Pardon if I've missed the point, but do they get converted into GSP or just poof into nothingness? Or something else?

I only ask so I know whether to sell them for $ before the skill tree hits or keep them. I'm fine either way. Looking forwards to trying the new skill system and enjoying fresh, crisp, bright spring days

I've got 169 million C-bills worth of Modules all bought before this December cutoff date. When I logged onto the PTS it gave me something like 4,500 GSP, which apparently you don't need to spend C-bills to unlock skill nodes on a mech using GSP.

So if all your modules were like mine, purchased well before December, then you get GSP for them.

As it stands I've only got like 3-4 mechs that are at the full mastery level. GSP seems to be the currency to use when you've got mechs that are only at the 1/3 or 2/3 mastered level that you want to quickly bring up to mastery level.

I've got quite a number of mechs at that level of mastery.

[Bud Crue]

I truly have no axe to grind when it comes to respec, refunds, modules, etc. My sole issue of complaint with the skills tree is the nerfs to my mechs.

That being said, as to the refunds etc.:
I read the announcement, and I think I get all the different forms of currency, at least in theory, but what I don't understand is what the heck do I do will with them all? I mean I have 150 mechs. I mastered all of them. Since the last PTS have been supplementing as many as I could (and that were deficient) to get their XP to be 15500 over mastery since when the last PTS ended that is where 91 nodes were at cost wise (15,500 plus however many XP mastery is equal too).

Turns out though that in this PTS that was all for naught since I have an automatic 91 HSP on every mech. So, I can use that 91 hsp per mech to node them all out. As to all the rest (GSP, HXP, etc.), they all seem to be used only to act as a mechanism to buy more SP...which I will never need since all of my mechs have full nodes via the HSP.

Do I have this right?

If so...why on earth did they make such a convoluted system involving all those other currencies? That is to say, why not just stream line everything into SP? If I am missing something (I assume I am), what does one do with all those other currencies (other than buy more SP)?