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#481 Pht

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 05:34 PM

View PostMasterzinja, on 21 October 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

I have always hated the character Victor Steiner Davion, truly hated him. By extension I supposed I dislike house Davion as well, but it's more to do with terrible writing and Mr. Improbable/invincible with no character flaws ruining all over every interesting plot device and situation that was ever conceived of for the Battletech universe.


Uh ... what do you call swapping a clone of someone's child in an attempt to manipulate them, if not bad? ...and the result of a character flaw?

#482 Alaskan Nobody

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 07:05 PM

View PostPht, on 21 October 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:


Uh ... what do you call swapping a clone of someone's child in an attempt to manipulate them, if not bad? ...and the result of a character flaw?


Learning from his enemies.
Maximilian tried it to take over the Federated Suns using a duplicate of Hanse, and then good ol' Hanse used a dupe of Joshua Marik to try and maintain his relations with the good ol' Civil-War faction known as the FWL :) (which is what I assume you were referring to)

Unfortunately the big blame for that seems to have fallen on Hanse's son
Have not read those books though.... well some of them, the one where Vic orders Josh's plug pulled... but that is as far into the timeline I've read. (and my reading was spotty before that :rolleyes: but shhh... don' tell anyone.)

Having said that... Hanse is one of the big things that might pull me into the Fedsuns.

#483 dal10

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:16 AM

View PostPht, on 21 October 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:



Don't shoot a stiener on sight.

He might be the unit's political general.

That might put the unit under the control of an ACTUAL officer.

Than you'll be in TROUBLE!

i concede.

#484 Dawnstealer

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:28 AM

Liao. Well, thankfully half that Successor State will be going away once CW rolls out. :D

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:34 AM

View PostDawnstealer, on 22 October 2013 - 06:28 AM, said:

Liao. Well, thankfully half that Successor State will be going away once CW rolls out. :D

meh, goons are good at taking over territory. and they do have some terrific players. once cw comes out they will probably come back.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 08:08 AM

View PostPht, on 21 October 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:


Uh ... what do you call swapping a clone of someone's child in an attempt to manipulate them, if not bad? ...and the result of a character flaw?


I call it an interesting story, and really part of the prehistory of the battletech universe before Davion became bland. Let's face it, the battletech universe thrives on conflict. We aren't playing a mech parade game where we paint them up nice and march them around in front of crowds of happy children. Even the most casual plot conflicts needs some sort of reason for existing or we may as well be pounding our heads against the wall for the fun of it.

What makes any story interesting is conflict; with the real possibility that good will not always triumph over evil. Even better yet when there is no true good or evil but a mix of grey areas and characters conflicting with understandable flaws, motivations, and relative values. What I don't like about Davion is that essentially everyone else in the Battletech universe has interesting character flaws that make them believable while Davion essentially lacks any negative characteristics or flaws. It wouldn't even be so terrible that they are essentially boring unrealistically capable do-gooders, but they constantly triumph over every faction that brings interesting conflict into the story line. In order for the "Good Guy" plot to work certain battletech authors have decided to write other factions as "Bad Guys", complete with their own versions of Snidely Whiplash and distressed damsel tied to a railroad track.

Davion has become boring to me because it simply defines itself by how "bad" it's enemies are. The entire faction exists simply to beat down on badguys in unbelievably contorted plot twists and trite feel-good endings that belong on a Saturday morning superhero cartoon show. Contrary to human nature, the demands of power, or the needs of authority, Davion only ever reacts to injustice. It's a boring reactionary plot faction that is always set up as the defacto goodguy, whose sole purpose is to end story plots and conflict created by other factions. What makes it even worse is that they typically end an interesting plot that has been developed for years with "...And Victor Steiner Davion kicked the badguy leader's butt and all the badguys died!" kind of endings. "Tune in next week as all of the Davion casualties are respawned and we begin another decade long process of building up another villian for Victor to Alphastrike in the face."

And that is why Davion is my least favorite faction. I like pretty much every other faction in the game except them.

Edited by Masterzinja, 22 October 2013 - 08:08 AM.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 08:41 AM

View Postdal10, on 22 October 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

meh, goons are good at taking over territory. and they do have some terrific players. once cw comes out they will probably come back.

Right? I actually kind of see that one backfiring mightily against the fluff, with Davion disappearing beneath a sea of green.

#488 TychoTheItinerant

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 08:53 AM

Amaris and Cameron

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 09:30 AM

Capellans. Kurita has some honour, at least.

#490 LiGhtningFF13

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:02 AM

In constant trouble with Snakes (Kuritan and the FRR)!

#491 Mordin Ashe

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:06 AM

Almost noone hates FRR. Perhaps we should use this fact as a positive PR or something.

#492 Commander Kobold

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:11 AM

The green one because squawkers

#493 MrEdweird

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:35 AM

From what I've read lore-wise, probably "dislike" Liao.
But really, the way Battletech is set up, everybody is the worst and sometimes also the best.

I like Steiner, but I know what Katrina does after the clan invasion, for example.
The Inner Sphere is so vast and there are so many people in it that, really, much like a reflection of the real world, you get impressions about the groups of people based on the actions of their superiors.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:45 AM

the funny thing is the capellan confederation exists because of the davions. Its attempt to conquer the region gave the realm's founder an external threat to band the area together to fight.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:45 AM

View PostMordin Ashe, on 22 October 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:

Almost noone hates FRR. Perhaps we should use this fact as a positive PR or something.

That's because you guys are about to get slammed down to about five systems in the next year. The fact that any of you crazy vikings are willingly playing that House is respectable.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:53 AM

pretty sure it was 7 systems. and comstar is defending one of them for you.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:13 AM

Davion, definitely Davion.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:14 PM

Everyone here is squabbling over which successor state they hate the most, and I'm just like... can't we play periphery powers?

The Marian Hegemony hates you all. RENDER UNTO CAESAR THAT WHICH IS CAESAR'S!

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:01 PM

Despicable Capellan terrorists and Smoke Jaguar baby killers.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:03 PM

I hate the Caps obviously





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