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#361 Ragnar Darkmane

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 11:22 AM

1. Liao: Sneaky ********. Nothing else to add.
2. Davion: Just too generic and bland. Except for the occasional atrocity or insane/scrupulous character with some depth (Caleb springs to mind) they are pretty much the overrated and heroic poster boys of Battle Tech. Almost as bad as the Ultramarines are in 40k. I wouldn't be surprised if they are the most overcrowded faction once community warfare gets released.

Edited by Ragnar Darkmane, 14 June 2013 - 11:24 AM.


#362 LordRush

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 11:34 AM

All snakes shall perish at the hand of my Jenner. Nuff said

#363 Tannhauser Gate

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 11:36 AM

Long live the Coordinator. I live to fight for House Kurita and die with honor in its service. Everyone else… just honorless dogs with weak masters, weak morals, and weak wills. Davion sews war masked as peace, Steiner greed, Liao treachery, and Marik weakness unable master its own provinces. Clanners are torchered, soulless, fatherless, inhumans and Mercs are ronin and have no honor.

Long live the Coordinator. I live to fight for House Kurita and die with honor in its service.

#364 Adridos

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:16 PM

View PostLordRush, on 14 June 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

All snakes shall perish at the hand of my Jenner. Nuff said

Kuritan double agents, Kuritan double-agents everywhere...

Hats off, guys. You may not have as many double-agents in the Fed Com as we do, but so far, it looks you're on a pretty good way of catching up... which also means we should hurry up getting new ones in. ;)

#365 Sasha Volkova

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:40 PM

I despise anyone defying House Kurita.

#366 B0oN

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:57 PM

Despising the IS as a whole.

#367 LordRush

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 11:15 PM

View PostAdridos, on 14 June 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

Kuritan double agents, Kuritan double-agents everywhere...

Hats off, guys. You may not have as many double-agents in the Fed Com as we do, but so far, it looks you're on a pretty good way of catching up... which also means we should hurry up getting new ones in. :D


Bah! Im a true born Davion. I just take the technology I capture and put it to better use! :)

#368 Angel of Annihilation

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 08:27 AM

Liao

Sun Tzu is actually a decent leader underneath it all but the environment which shaped him still warped his way of thinking and he considers decite and trechery to be a valid solution to every problem.

#369 R Razor

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:34 AM

Without a doubt, Liao and Kurita both, one because I'm a Steiner through and through and the other because they are the lowest of the low and the galaxy would be better off without them.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:40 AM

The house that isn't paying me. And that's a lot of houses.

#371 Mark Brandhauber

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:45 AM

Clanners because of their Holier than thou attitude.

#372 Gattling Fenn

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 06:56 PM

1. Kurita, genocidal space samurais.
2. Davion, I don't actually mind Davions much themselves, or their relationship to House Steiner. I just dislike how generic, and goody two shoes they feel, it's white knighting to the point of not being believable.

#373 Tharkan Stuermer

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:51 AM

View PostXeno Phalcon, on 09 June 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

Now traditionally House Davion has clashed most with House Liao over the years but objectively no house has produced as many maniacs as Liao and are the only HOUSE to come close to the atrocities Clan Smoke Jaguar performed. (as far as individuals go though, Katherine Steiner-Davrion is ***** with bewbs.)
Also im bitter about the reabsorption of the St.Ives Compact.

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Yeah, the only reason, why House Liao is closest to the atrocities of the Smoked Jags, is that House Kurita exceeds them both by far :P
You better check the storyline, House Kurita is the most brutal of the Great Houses by far. For example, their Dictum Honorium, i. e. their written codex, states that POWs should be shot immedietely, and unit commanders, which intentionally slaughtered civilian evacuees to immoralize enemy troops, were rewarded for their 'innovative tactics'. Not to speak of the Kentares Massacre, or any other of the plenty massacres the Kuritas committed...
It also is quite ironic, that Clan Smoked Jag got destroyed for the levelling of Turtle Bay, an atrocity, which the Kuritas are doing almost every day :blink:
Not to mention, that the Jade Turkeys destroyed a city on Romulus, before the Jags, of course ;)
And Kathy?
Well, at least she is not a complete braincase, like her brother Vic :D
In addition, she might assassinated quite a few guys who opposed her, but she didn't commit any massacres, and unlike her stupid brother Vic, she didn't start a civil war. If Vic hadn't been so stupid to assassinate Ryan Steiner instead of putting the assassin in court, the wouldn't have been a FCCW. Btw, I don't like Kathy, but Victor is naive, and worse yet, even totally stupid.

#374 Aranzor

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 06:34 AM

People 'Kathy' -love a supporter of her calling her this- 'might' have assassinated (a few highlights anyway):

Melissa Steiner - Her Mother when she proposed to abdicate and give the throne to Victor.
Omi Kurita - Her brother's lover to take the fight out from under him.
Salome Ward - Morgan Kell's wife for Morgan opposing her rise to power.
Morgan Hasek-Davion - Because he was Victor's friend.

People mentally scarred or messed up by Katherine (again, just a few highlights):
Galen Cox - The fiance of Katherine allowed to get caught up in an assassination but survived.
Morgan Kell -Not only was his wife murdered, but also the constant schemes and threats she used to try to keep him from siding with Victor.
Victor - First toyed with since he was horrible with politics, then stripped him of one half and then the other of his kingdom, killing friends and family close to him left and right, and finally his lover is killed when he begrudgingly came back to declare he'd stand up to Katherine.
Yvonne - Katherine's little sister who was driven to break down and gave up the throne because she believed Katherine who was telling her how bad she was at ruling.

And my favorite to come: Alaric Wolf...Thats right, a clanner born from genes from both Victor and Katherine, set up by Katherine as an everlasting spite to the Inner Sphere.



Oh and to stay on topic (too late) with the OP: Steiner by far. Draconis is an atrocity of the past, but the changes that have been made since Takashi put them a bit in the right direction. Liao is close but they've always been evil and conniving, so you knew what to expect. Steiners were the supposed friend that stabbed Davion in the back.

Edited by Aranzor, 24 June 2013 - 06:42 AM.


#375 Peter D Hansen

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:03 AM

Liao Is Definatly The Worst House And There Insignia Sucks i mean really the house davion or steiner has the best insignia and liao there always bordering us and attacking our worlds same as kurita Not To mention The Carter 5 Incident And The Biological Torturing Of POWs. (maybe its becuase were neighbors) but they need to go we need to throw them to the clans.

Ps My Grammer Skills Are Not Great So I Appologise for no periods or commas.

Edited by Peter D Hansen, 25 June 2013 - 11:26 AM.


#376 Tharkan Stuermer

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 11:11 AM

View PostAranzor, on 24 June 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

People 'Kathy' -love a supporter of her calling her this- 'might' have assassinated (a few highlights anyway):

Melissa Steiner - Her Mother when she proposed to abdicate and give the throne to Victor.
Omi Kurita - Her brother's lover to take the fight out from under him.
Salome Ward - Morgan Kell's wife for Morgan opposing her rise to power.
Morgan Hasek-Davion - Because he was Victor's friend.

People mentally scarred or messed up by Katherine (again, just a few highlights):
Galen Cox - The fiance of Katherine allowed to get caught up in an assassination but survived.
Morgan Kell -Not only was his wife murdered, but also the constant schemes and threats she used to try to keep him from siding with Victor.
Victor - First toyed with since he was horrible with politics, then stripped him of one half and then the other of his kingdom, killing friends and family close to him left and right, and finally his lover is killed when he begrudgingly came back to declare he'd stand up to Katherine.
Yvonne - Katherine's little sister who was driven to break down and gave up the throne because she believed Katherine who was telling her how bad she was at ruling.

And my favorite to come: Alaric Wolf...Thats right, a clanner born from genes from both Victor and Katherine, set up by Katherine as an everlasting spite to the Inner Sphere.



Oh and to stay on topic (too late) with the OP: Steiner by far. Draconis is an atrocity of the past, but the changes that have been made since Takashi put them a bit in the right direction. Liao is close but they've always been evil and conniving, so you knew what to expect. Steiners were the supposed friend that stabbed Davion in the back.

You're aware of the fact, that the BT-universe is still fictional, aren't you?
In addition, I don't support Katherine, but neither do I like Victor. Why?
He is totally incompentent, and he is seriously overtaxed with his duty to reign over the FedCom. Victor could have prevented the FCCW from starting at several points, even before the Lyran Alliance seperated. Seriously, the string of major incorrect decisions by Victor is back breaking:
-he didn't care about his public appearance, especially in the Lyran half of the FedCom (before the assassination of Melissa, even members of the Kell Hounds oppossed his politics);
-replacing 'Thomas Marik's' son after his death;
-hire his mother's assassin to assassinate Ryan Steiner (the assassin was captured quite fast after the death of Melissa);
-do nothing, when his lil' sister took over the power and seceded the Lyran Alliance;
-to support the decision to support the DC, and to destroy the Smoked Jags despite the fact, that both the FedSuns and the Lyrans were at war with the Combine for almost three centuries, and that the Combine encouraged their troops to enforce terror tactics, and to commit hundreds of massacres against FedSun and Lyran civilians as well as POWs during the Succession Wars;
-start a romance with the heir of his people's mortal enemy, despite the fact, that the Combine tried to take over the FedSuns in a very similar move during the Star League era;
-do nothing when Katherine took over the FedSuns;
-to support the election of Sun-Tzu Liao as First Lord of the 'Star League', which inevitable led to the annexion of the St. Ives Compact, and to the corruption of the position of the First Lord of the 'Star League' from the start (excluding that Rasaalhague guy, all 'First Lords' basically used their position only to advance their own agendas);
-do nothing when Combine 'peacekeepers' annexed the Lyons' thumb (which is pretty much like sending a wolf to watch over sheep);
-to start the FCCW in the worst possible position - in fact, the Allies were only rescued by ongoing pro-Victor FIAT;
-do nothing against increasing FedSuns or Lyran nationalism, which gravely increased the brutality of the FCCW;
-to place a Capellan Warrior House on Tikonov for garrison duty during the FCCW (really, how stupid can he possibly be);
-and so on...
Victor might be a nice guy, but unfortunately he is totally inept to rule something like the FedCom. I don't like Katherine either, because she is quite cruel and cold as ice, and basically only interested in further increasing her power base. But to say that she is a murdering maniac, even if she had some of her enemies assassinated, is plain wrong. In addition, Victor wasn't above too assassinate unpleasant relatives, too, if you remember.

It is also ironic, that you state, that Takashi put the DC in the 'right direction'. His son Theodore is supposed to convert the DC into the shining Hello-Kitty-Combine. Takashi opposed him doing that.

Finally, the Lyrans didn't betray the FedSuns, the Lyrans were left to fend by their own by the Davions. At least, after Victor took over, since Hanse seriously helped the Lyrans against the Clans. Something, which Victor didn't, because he was preoccupied with alienating the Lyrans and the people from the Draconis March alike, while fraternizing with the DC.

Before I get totally OT, even if I mentioned it before, I despise the Dracs most, and I also think, that the post-Clan Invasion FedSuns is the most boring Successor State anyone can ever think of. By far.

I like the FedSuns during the Succession Wars-era, and the FedCom (you know, the State, which consisted of both the LyrCom and the FedSuns, not the renamed FS), though.

Edited by Tharkan Stuermer, 24 June 2013 - 11:39 AM.


#377 Aranzor

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:13 PM

Thark, we're on a game forum asking about what houses' we like or dislike based on what someone has written about them. I'm not sure why you thought my comment was any more off base than your own. But the idea here is to have fun throw about curses at which side we don't like, so I figured why not?

That said,
I will agree though that Victor's rule or attempt at it pretty much proved he was only capable as a military leader, never a true ruler. I think even he saw that in the end which is why he just split the kingdoms back up and gave it to Yvonne and Peter afterward.

You got me on approving Sun though...that was just a horrible choice. But then again if what he imagined had happened if he'd turned it down and Katherine had gotten in...*Shudder.*

As for the Combine, you misread my post. I wasn't saying that Takashi was making the changes, I was saying the changes that had been made since his rule (ie, afterward).

And if she wasn't a maniac, please explain Alaric. Granted I stopped reading the stories before getting to that point but would love to know just how she came across this idea.


To explain a bit better why I dislike Steiner the most, while some of it comes from books and games which have always shown Steiner in a bad light, for me it has more to do with the approval of a state-run terrorism group, and the inclusion and even promotion of 'social' officers who tend to be unfit for the commands they'd been given. The fact that they've survived this long with that kind of structure is really amazing, I have to say though.

Edited by Aranzor, 24 June 2013 - 12:44 PM.


#378 Ragnar Darkmane

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 01:45 PM

View PostPeter D Hansen, on 24 June 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

liao there always bordering us and attacking our worlds same as kurita (maybe its becuase were neighbors) but the need to go we need to throw them to the clans.

Right, because you are the good guys that would NEVER invade their neighbors :ph34r:. YOU ARE NOT. Tell me what the war of 3039 was if not an attempt to exterminate the Draconis Combine.

Edited by Ragnar Darkmane, 24 June 2013 - 01:48 PM.


#379 Tharkan Stuermer

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 08:43 PM

View PostAranzor, on 24 June 2013 - 12:13 PM, said:

Thark, we're on a game forum asking about what houses' we like or dislike based on what someone has written about them. I'm not sure why you thought my comment was any more off base than your own. But the idea here is to have fun throw about curses at which side we don't like, so I figured why not?

That said,
I will agree though that Victor's rule or attempt at it pretty much proved he was only capable as a military leader, never a true ruler. I think even he saw that in the end which is why he just split the kingdoms back up and gave it to Yvonne and Peter afterward.

You got me on approving Sun though...that was just a horrible choice. But then again if what he imagined had happened if he'd turned it down and Katherine had gotten in...*Shudder.*

As for the Combine, you misread my post. I wasn't saying that Takashi was making the changes, I was saying the changes that had been made since his rule (ie, afterward).

And if she wasn't a maniac, please explain Alaric. Granted I stopped reading the stories before getting to that point but would love to know just how she came across this idea.


To explain a bit better why I dislike Steiner the most, while some of it comes from books and games which have always shown Steiner in a bad light, for me it has more to do with the approval of a state-run terrorism group, and the inclusion and even promotion of 'social' officers who tend to be unfit for the commands they'd been given. The fact that they've survived this long with that kind of structure is really amazing, I have to say though.


I actually don't care about the post-Invasion-storyline anymore, since every single House -except House Davion- is basically converted to the contrary in the later timeline:
House Kurita turned from a honor-driven, but brutal, intolerant, and oppressive regime into a open-minded, and just society, where everybody tells anybody else the newest quotes from their fortunate cookies. House Liao made a quite similar change, though they remain a bit sneaky. However, they also managed to centuplicate their productivity in no-time, since the ConCap was the least developed Successor State, and the last to benefit from the Helm Memory Core. House Marik changed from a diverse, oriental to Balkan-like Successor State into a chivalric, monolitic state, though they FWL breaks apart after the Jihad, of course, but only to re-unite again. House Steiner changed from an almost as diverse Successor State then the FWL into an super-Teutonic dictatorship, were basically all what is unequitable, greedy, selfish, incompetent, or in short, the pure evil is being assembled. In addition, the Lyrans will loose basically everything to the Republic, the Clans (especially the FIAT Falcons), and the re-united FWL, of course. Because they are greedy, honorless, and evil. Of course. House Davion managed to eliminate the few dark spots they had -like the use of the Rabit Foxes as a terrorist group for instance, or the lack of education on the vast majority of its backwater worlds- and got even more boring, then it was before. Strictly spoken, House Davion became political correctness incarnated in conjunction with loopsided jingoism.

Consequently, I think that the developers ruined the storyline, as well as very much of the TT in almost every aspect. Thus, I don't know very much about Alaric Wolf, since I honestly don't care.

In addition, according to the original Source Books every House had a state sponsored terrorist group, including the FedSuns: the Rabbit Foxes were used in the very same fashion, then the Lyrans used Loki. Check it out, if you don't believe me. Unfortunately, this got lost on the recent line developers, who turned both the DC and the FS into most boring, but political correct white-knight-successor-states.

Edited by Tharkan Stuermer, 25 June 2013 - 12:15 PM.


#380 Skoll

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 12:12 PM

So far I think it's safe the say that Davion and Liao are the most hated.

I'd still pick Liao over Davion though because I bet Romano is kinky in the sack.





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