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[Surtr]

Skoll, on 07 July 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:

So far I think it's safe the say that Davion and Liao are the most hated.

I'd still pick Liao over Davion though because I bet Romano is kinky in the sack.

Spoken like a true Einherjar.

[dal10]

just remember, never trust a liao, but shoot a steiner on sight.

[Mira Widowmaker]

Ragnar Darkmane, on 24 June 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

Right, because you are the good guys that would NEVER invade their neighbors . YOU ARE NOT. Tell me what the war of 3039 was if not an attempt to exterminate the Draconis Combine.

There was a cry for help from the worlds which the Draconis Combine occupied for far too long. Prince Davion could no longer resist his conscience and compassion and though he knew it would be difficult tried to rescue the oppressed people.
You repelled our forces with cruelty and lack of consideration for the civil people. When Davion forces tried to liberate you chose to obliterate...
The Prince wisely ordered his soldiers to stand back and accept the defeat in honor of the people he tried to rescue and who were held hostage by the so called honorable warriors of House Kurita.

There will be time for payback. There will be time for rightousness and when this time comes, I will be happy to meet you on the battlefield.

- Mira Widowmaker
Davion Heavy Guard

[dal10]

hey, at least most of their population can read.

[Tannhauser Gate]

Spoken like a true Davion starry-eyed lacky. You consider yourself boy scouts and social progressives when youre all just drones of the FedSun war machine. Yes, rescue the "oppressed" because "our dear leader can no longer abide his guilty conscience".. laughable lies. When you move fleets of warships and battalions of mechs across 200LY deep into your enemy's sovereign space.. thats not from a guilty conscience but a mobilization with political and strategic ambitions. These people were not stranded in lifeboats waiting for your ships, you had to battle and fight your way into another House's domain. Imagine the civilian pain and suffering left in your wake just to help a few.. or.. it was unadulterated military conquest just like all the others and you were too deluded by the shine on the porcine teeth of your prince. Guilty conscience? Rescue and aid mission? Indeed, if that makes you feel better.

Besides, those people weren't oppressed. They were weak.

Edited by LakeDaemon, 08 July 2013 - 01:18 PM.

[dal10]

Hanse Davion murdered 100 million people and left another half-billion casualties in the Fourth Succession War alone! And if that were not enough for him, ten years later he went to war again. - Sun-Tzu Liao.

yes, hanse davion is a paragon of virtue...

[Tank]

I don't despise them - merc's don't judge what you do or what you are, we only judge what you can afford.
But on the bottom of my liking are Kurita and Liao, all because their arrogance challenge only clanners.

P.S. And all spheroid houses treat periphery people like a second class - you all are hippocrates!

Edited by Tank, 08 July 2013 - 01:31 PM.

[mistformsquirrel]

Anyone not Davion. Federated Suns forever!

[P e n u m b r a]

witch house

[Clideb50]

Adridos, on 23 July 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

I'd like to remind you that by despising us, you basically despise Ravens, Catapults and Cataphracts (you all seemed to love before this thread was created) + a lot of later tech goodness like stealth armor.

Just keep that in mind before you jump on the hate ship.

Catapults are Terran Hegemony. Laio just grabbed most of them. Cataphracts just a desperate 'mech to relieve the loss of all your assault factories and then Davion stole that factory. As for the Ravens... valid point there

On topic. Laio is the house I despise the most. Bunch of North Korean imitators.

[Thoren Wolf]

Liao, simply because most of the players I've seen in both tabletop and here that fly that banner are total ******. Makes it so much easier to just waste them and not help them when forced into a match with them.

[Ragnar Darkmane]

Mira Widowmaker, on 08 July 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

There was a cry for help from the worlds which the Draconis Combine occupied for far too long. Prince Davion could no longer resist his conscience and compassion and though he knew it would be difficult tried to rescue the oppressed people.

You forgot to add that your intelligence service told you that we also hide weapons of mass destruction at some place no one man can find (and that there are mineral and oil plants in our realm that need to be "liberated") ...

Edited by Ragnar Darkmane, 08 July 2013 - 02:19 PM.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

kojdog, on 21 July 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

How about all of them?

They're all extremely flawed (if you don't get that just by reading the faction page here, then I'm not going to bother explaining) and YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE!

Be a merc or even a lonely vagrant. Forget about them!

THAT'S THE BEST PART! All the houses are evil!!! And mercs are just as fun, too. Ruthless yet honorable, worshiping the almighty

Btw, Kurita is the most interesting (and crazy!)

[Kenyon Burguess]

pretty much everyone. this includes other great houses, comstar, the clans, everyone in the periphery , and half the time the other Marik commonwealths..

[Mira Widowmaker]

LakeDaemon, on 08 July 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Besides, those people weren't oppressed. They were weak.

It is the duty of the strong and righteous to protect the weak and stand by their side. We could not accomplish, what was necessary in the fourth succession war. We disappointed those people held hostage by your Coordinator.
But I swear to you, this is far from over!
There will come a time of reckoning. As long as the night may be, night is followed by dawn when the sun rises, and it will be federated suns who bring their light of hope and shine like a beacon of salvation.
Our Prince will turn the tide and bring justice and liberty to the people. You may be a dragon, but a dragon is nothing but a bigger snake... Remember what happened to the cappellan snake when two great and honorable houses joined forces.
We showed the mad king liao the way and we will show it to your Coordinator, if he does not realize the foolishness of his ways.
The fight for justice and liberty is far from over. As long as people are oppressed under a brutal and cruel regime like the Cappellan Confederation or Draconis Combine the honorable soldiers of the Federated Suns will fight lead by their Prince to bring light to those in the darkness of despair.

[Benjamin Davion]

LakeDaemon, on 08 July 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Spoken like a true Davion starry-eyed lacky. You consider yourself boy scouts and social progressives when youre all just drones of the FedSun war machine. Yes, rescue the "oppressed" because "our dear leader can no longer abide his guilty conscience".. laughable lies. When you move fleets of warships and battalions of mechs across 200LY deep into your enemy's sovereign space.. thats not from a guilty conscience but a mobilization with political and strategic ambitions. These people were not stranded in lifeboats waiting for your ships, you had to battle and fight your way into another House's domain. Imagine the civilian pain and suffering left in your wake just to help a few.. or.. it was unadulterated military conquest just like all the others and you were too deluded by the shine on the porcine teeth of your prince. Guilty conscience? Rescue and aid mission? Indeed, if that makes you feel better.

Besides, those people weren't oppressed. They were weak.

I have one word, just one word, in response to this: Kentares.

[Hebdomas]

dal10, on 08 July 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

Hanse Davion murdered 100 million people and left another half-billion casualties in the Fourth Succession War alone! And if that were not enough for him, ten years later he went to war again. - Sun-Tzu Liao.

yes, hanse davion is a paragon of virtue...

That's not murder, that's a statistic.

[Vega Obscura]

I don't actually hate any of the houses.

I should how ever point out something very important.

Contrary to appearances House Davion did not start the Fourth Succession war.
House Liao's ***** leader attempted to take over House Davion by brainwashing some poor ******* and turning him into a fake Hanse Davion clone then stuck him on the throne. That was what caused Hanse Davion to attack House Liao at his wedding to Melissa Steiner.

Now House Davion at the time of the Fourth Sucession war had a major weakness they lacked the Jumpships needed to move thier Army to pull of an invasion that this war required so they umm borrowed House Steiner Jumpships. It wasn't money that House Davion needed. House Steiner was awesome except for its fatal flaw of having Social Generals ruining thier ability to fight effectively something that House Davion corrected. (Also House Davion helped bring about several of the most awesome battlemechs House Steiner ever had none of which are in this game.)

Also Contrary to public opinion Candice Liao created the St Ives Compact to protect House Liao and prevent its destruction. She knew if she took control over House Liao itself would have ceased to exist within her generation. Thats also why she didn't just kill Sun Tzu and his sister putting herself on the throne during the clan invasion.

House Kurita's biggest weakness was its dedication to tradition and face over reality of thier situation. Something Theodore Kurita essentially cured them of. House Kurita's biggest enemy has always been itself which is disapointing.

House Marik despite having the largest industrial base had several issues mainly the fact that it does not have a centralized effective government.

Honestly if you want the real Mary Sue's of Battletech look at Comstar with its magic mech factories that appear from nowhere and its massive armies of nonexistent battlemechs and ridiculous levels of technology for no reason.

The War of 3039 also disproves the Davions are Mary Sue's arguement completely.

[dal10]

Vega Obscura, on 08 July 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

I don't actually hate any of the houses.

I should how ever point out something very important.

Contrary to appearances House Davion did not start the Fourth Succession war.
House Liao's ***** leader attempted to take over House Davion by brainwashing some poor ******* and turning him into a fake Hanse Davion clone then stuck him on the throne. That was what caused Hanse Davion to attack House Liao at his wedding to Melissa Steiner.

Now House Davion at the time of the Fourth Sucession war had a major weakness they lacked the Jumpships needed to move thier Army to pull of an invasion that this war required so they umm borrowed House Steiner Jumpships. It wasn't money that House Davion needed. House Steiner was awesome except for its fatal flaw of having Social Generals ruining thier ability to fight effectively something that House Davion corrected. (Also House Davion helped bring about several of the most awesome battlemechs House Steiner ever had none of which are in this game.)

Also Contrary to public opinion Candice Liao created the St Ives Compact to protect House Liao and prevent its destruction. She knew if she took control over House Liao itself would have ceased to exist within her generation. Thats also why she didn't just kill Sun Tzu and his sister putting herself on the throne during the clan invasion.

House Kurita's biggest weakness was its dedication to tradition and face over reality of thier situation. Something Theodore Kurita essentially cured them of. House Kurita's biggest enemy has always been itself which is disapointing.

House Marik despite having the largest industrial base had several issues mainly the fact that it does not have a centralized effective government.

Honestly if you want the real Mary Sue's of Battletech look at Comstar with its magic mech factories that appear from nowhere and its massive armies of nonexistent battlemechs and ridiculous levels of technology for no reason.

The War of 3039 also disproves the Davions are Mary Sue's arguement completely.

there are several issues with this post. one, the main reason for the 4th war was not the body double. (it was a secondary reason. also seriously, why in the world didn't they kill hanse the moment the double got in place.) It was to provide an actual link between the two realms so they did not have to go through someone elses territory to get from the lyran half to the suns half.

two, the social general problem. Katrina steiner was already in the process of fixing that, they were so freaking entrenched though that it was an issue. Hanse Davion's lack of steiner political knowledge (followed by victor's amazing political ineptness) actually made the problem worse in the long run.

for the mary sues, victor and kai magically beating a mech scenario (well kai would have beaten it if he had not gotten overconfident) that NO ONE ELSE had EVER beaten? Kai magically having the Sleight of hand to WIPE OUT AN ENTIRE CLUSTER BY HIMSELF. Both getting multiple mech kills in their first engagement as soldiers. do i need to go on? (i can).

[Adridos]

Vega Obscura, on 08 July 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

Contrary to appearances House Davion did not start the Fourth Succession war.
House Liao's ***** leader attempted to take over House Davion by brainwashing some poor ******* and turning him into a fake Hanse Davion clone then stuck him on the throne. That was what caused Hanse Davion to attack House Liao at his wedding to Melissa Steiner.

And Polish started the WW2 by attacking that radio station... Germans just protected themselves.

Or even better. The Central powers started the WW1, because someone shot that poor prince everyone hated and wanted to see dead, anyway, but once the act was done, he was good enough to start the bloodiest conflict ever from their perspective.

Edited by Adridos, 09 July 2013 - 03:08 AM.