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[Summon3r]

im not much of an assault driver but it seems the DWF is few and far between even before skill tree. is it relegated to the junk pile these days?

[Snowbluff]

All clan 100 tonners are junk now. The DWF has just been dead for longer.

[ScrapIron Prime]

It totally lacks the nimble, the Kodiak, Marauder IIc and even the Night Gyr have totally eclipsed it.

You might see more of them now that the Kodiak isn't twisting like Muhammed Ali any more...

[Snowbluff]

ScrapIron Prime, on 19 May 2017 - 07:52 AM, said:

It totally lacks the nimble, the Kodiak, Marauder IIc and even the Night Gyr have totally eclipsed it.

You might see more of them now that the Kodiak isn't twisting like Muhammed Ali any more...

Whata joke. The KDK hasn't been twisting like that in months. They gave it a 2 degree twisting motion months ago.

You won't see KDK anymore. At all. Hell, I've seen ONE in the dozen or so matches I've played. I've been seeing more DWF for sure.

[Summon3r]

sad, i could care a less about the clan vs IS arguement but it sure would be nice for those assaults to be something better then a wasted mech. no justifiable reason to ever bring one into CW either but its fun to see atlas and kgc on the field and even nicer to see one in my heavy and be like oh F**K i just turned the corner and here is a mech ill never chew through before it ***** me........ isnt that the whole point!??!

[mogs01gt]

I'll say something that this community will hate.....If lights werent so nimble, fast and had such high DPS, we'd see more 100ts with tons of nodes selected from the Survival tree. Dumping into the Mobility tree for 100ts doesnt give them much gains.

Edited by mogs01gt, 19 May 2017 - 08:10 AM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

The KDK-3 has some issues, you probably won't see the Gauss/PPC build anymore but you may still see Dakka. That said, since the mobility nerf, the DWF has become more of an option since you get a tiny bit more firepower at the cost of speed and because they have the same mobility now. I will probably just stick to playing the MAD-IIC instead of both though since the MAD-IIC is pretty strong atm. The nerfs definitely made room for the MCII though and may in fact allow it to BE the next top assault.

[Summon3r]

mogs01gt, on 19 May 2017 - 08:10 AM, said:

I'll say something that this community will hate.....If lights werent so nimble, fast and had such high DPS, we'd see more 100ts with tons of nodes selected from the Survival tree. Dumping into the Mobility tree for 100ts doesnt give them much gains.

couldnt agree more

[Widowmaker1981]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 19 May 2017 - 08:15 AM, said:

The KDK-3 has some issues, you probably won't see the Gauss/PPC build anymore but you may still see Dakka. That said, since the mobility nerf, the DWF has become more of an option since you get a tiny bit more firepower at the cost of speed and because they have the same mobility now. I will probably just stick to playing the MAD-IIC instead of both though since the MAD-IIC is pretty strong atm. The nerfs definitely made room for the MCII though and may in fact allow it to BE the next top assault.

Im willing to bet the MCII will handle like an absolute pig as well though. Certainly not buying it till i see mobility stats.

edit: in fact, guaranteed pig handling. The chances of any variant getting better mobility than the Supernova-C or Boiler are less than the chances of a snowball putting out a forest fire, and ~11 acc / ~13 dec does not a nice ride make.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 19 May 2017 - 08:32 AM.

[ArmageddonKnight]

I bassicaly only run a DWF-UV and a KGC-000.

And... i agree, the DWF is totaly out classed. Doesnt help i run DPS builds only, and wont join in on the alphameta, puts me at even more a disadvantage..but its still fun on occasion

Would be nice to have the DWF more competative.

[El Bandito]

I saw plenty of Dire Whales in these past two days. With the agility nerf across the board, the Dire is actually doing somewhat ok.

[MischiefSC]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 19 May 2017 - 08:15 AM, said:

The KDK-3 has some issues, you probably won't see the Gauss/PPC build anymore but you may still see Dakka. That said, since the mobility nerf, the DWF has become more of an option since you get a tiny bit more firepower at the cost of speed and because they have the same mobility now. I will probably just stick to playing the MAD-IIC instead of both though since the MAD-IIC is pretty strong atm. The nerfs definitely made room for the MCII though and may in fact allow it to BE the next top assault.

Dakka KDK3 is strong if you're holding a position or it's a hot map. While firepower is kinda nice for gauss/PPC survival tree and firepower tree together have been a huge buff for laservomit and huge alpha builds. Not nearly as worried by poptart builds now. Warhawk C scares the pee-water right out of me though. I can pretty much brawl with 4 ERPPCs on that thing.

[AphexTwin11]

Summon3r, on 19 May 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

im not much of an assault driver but it seems the DWF is few and far between even before skill tree. is it relegated to the junk pile these days?

I've found that the Clan 100 tonners were only good for QP and not a whole lot else.

That said, I was driving my DWFs the other night with a fully equipped mobility tree, and I will be one to say that they move SO much better now, combined with the engine decoup. I still think they're a waste of valuable FW tonnage being that they're not *quite* useful enough to sacrifice that much weight, and will most likely get focused down REAL hard by the enemy, but I've definitely had way more fun than in previous matches now that I can quirk the **** out of their mobility.

Edited by AphexTwin11, 19 May 2017 - 08:45 AM.

[Summon3r]

MischiefSC, on 19 May 2017 - 08:42 AM, said:

Dakka KDK3 is strong if you're holding a position or it's a hot map. While firepower is kinda nice for gauss/PPC survival tree and firepower tree together have been a huge buff for laservomit and huge alpha builds. Not nearly as worried by poptart builds now. Warhawk C scares the pee-water right out of me though. I can pretty much brawl with 4 ERPPCs on that thing.

um wut?

[Quicksilver Aberration]

MischiefSC, on 19 May 2017 - 08:42 AM, said:

Dakka KDK3 is strong if you're holding a position or it's a hot map. While firepower is kinda nice for gauss/PPC survival tree and firepower tree together have been a huge buff for laservomit and huge alpha builds. Not nearly as worried by poptart builds now.

Poptarts still wreck KDK-3s especially since the Night Gyr got even better. Gauss/PPC just struggles without all that mobility (because you have to protect that side).

MischiefSC, on 19 May 2017 - 08:42 AM, said:

Warhawk C scares the pee-water right out of me though. I can pretty much brawl with 4 ERPPCs on that thing.

You mean the Prime right? The C is for 4 cLPL spam.
You can't brawl, but it is really strong, I'm very well aware of the power of the Warhawk.

[Andi Nagasia]

Snowbluff, on 19 May 2017 - 07:56 AM, said:

You won't see KDK anymore. At all. Hell, I've seen ONE in the dozen or so matches I've played. I've been seeing more DWF for sure.

as long as the KDK can still Run 4UAC10 or 2Guass+2PPC high mounted with an XL400, it will always have a place,
the DWF has mostly low Mounts and is too slow, so i feel the DWF is in DireNeed of some love,
the Skill Tree is unlikely to save it, as it has less mobility than the KDK, anyway,

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Andi Nagasia, on 19 May 2017 - 08:51 AM, said:

as long as the KDK can still Run 4UAC10 or 2Guass+2PPC high mounted with an XL400

XL400 is overrated and no one should be running it one the KDK-3 unless you are running JUST 2 UAC10/UAC5. Even before the ghost heat change.

[G4LV4TR0N]

Dire Wolf needs a special global quirk: "+20% to all damage". Or something equally devastating in firepower sense. Won't make it broken due to poor mobility, won't even make it much better, will only make it fun to play.

Edited by G4LV4TR0N, 19 May 2017 - 08:57 AM.

[Vonbach]

Snowbluff, on 19 May 2017 - 07:52 AM, said:

All clan 100 tonners are junk now. The DWF has just been dead for longer.

All 100 tonners are junk not just clans.

[Crazywolf77]

Andi Nagasia, on 19 May 2017 - 08:51 AM, said:

the DWF has mostly low Mounts and is too slow, so i feel the DWF is in DireNeed of some love,

Thanks. I think I love you now.

That said: The problem is you have to put alot of points into the mobility tree to make him move like prepatch. But then you have to neglect one of the other trees. But even with mobility maxed out you are still a big slow moving target and if you lack the points in the survival tree you are dead fast.

If you skip the mobility tree completely you are a slowmotion moving big fat target that even can't torso twist and turn propperly.

I spent most of my MWO time since patch in tweaking and trying out new skill tree options (with the help of other com members O7) and you can still have fun with it. But as a passionate DWF-Driver, yet casual player, he felt a bit less "ooooooooooooooooph" before the patch.

And if you want to know what "ooooooooooooooph" is, hop into a Polar Highlands Conquest game without speed tweak.

Edited by Crazywolf77, 19 May 2017 - 09:06 AM.