106 replies to this topic

[Cub]

Does this seem right to you?

[Belacose]

Think SB's MASC is just bugged ATM.

Do recall hearing in the stream that aside from the MASC the Spirit Bear is intended to not be as mobile/agile as the other variants besides the 3 model. Doesn't seem right to me though.

[MechaBattler]

The executioner has a higher base stats. MASC is by percentage, right? So if the Kodiak has far less, which it does. The MASC has less to work with.

Exe
24 Accel / 17 Decel
50 degrees/sec

Kodiak SB
6.9 Accel / 11 Decel
30 degrees/sec Turn rate

[Malrock]

They killed the spirit bear. It went from one of my favorite mechs, despite how hard it is to get into brawl range.... to one of the worst mechs that is basically unplayable. Only thing left that is even semi viable is to turn it into a lurm boat.

[Cub]

Belacose, on 18 May 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

Think SB's MASC is just bugged ATM.

Do recall hearing in the stream that aside from the MASC the Spirit Bear is intended to not be as mobile/agile as the other variants besides the 3 model. Doesn't seem right to me though.

My god I hope so.

MechaBattler, on 18 May 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

The executioner has a higher base stats. MASC is by percentage, right? So if the Kodiak has far less, which it does. The MASC has less to work with.

Exe
24 Accel / 17 Decel
50 degrees/sec

Kodiak SB
6.9 Accel / 11 Decel
30 degrees/sec Turn rate

I'm painfully aware of this, as are all 100 ton assault pilots. The Dire Whale, Atlas, and King Crab have been devastated with the new engine decoupling. But rule does not apply to all weight brackets as many of the acc/dec rates boggle the mind. I actually went through and noted down all of them for at least 1 variant of each mech:

Lights
Adder Prime= Acc: 43.8 / Dec: 65.7
Arctic Cheetah Prime= Acc: 50 / Dec: 84.16
Commando-20 = Acc: 80 / Dec: 140
Firestarter 9-E = Acc: 43.08 / Dec: 65.7
Jenner-D = Acc: 63.85 / Dec: 85
Jenner IIC = Acc: 50 / Dec: 72.14
Kit Fox = Acc: 50 / Dec: 84.16
Locust-IV = Acc: 84.6 / Dec: 182.5
Mist Lynx Prime = Acc: 59.24 / Dec: 113
Panther -10k = Acc: 43.08 / Dec: 65.7
Spider – 5V = Acc: 75.39 / Dec: 111.66
Urbanmech – R63 = Acc: 50 / Dec: 84.16
Wolfhound – 2 = Acc:54.63 / Dec: 76.42
Mediums
Blackjack – 1 = Acc: 31.55 / Dec: 42.77
Bushwacker – X1 = Acc: 26.94 / Dec: 32.27
Centurion 9-1 = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Cicada 3-M = Acc: 54.63 / Dec: 68.87
Crab 27 = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Enforcer – 1N = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Griffin – IN = Acc: 26.94 / Dec: 32.27
Hunchback – 4G = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Hunchback IIC = Acc: 20.02 / Dec: 31
Hunstman Prime = 29.26 / Dec: 37
Ice Ferret Prime = Acc: 62.2 / Dec: 62.77
Kintaro = Acc:33.86 / Dec: 36.36
Nova Prime = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Phoenix Hawk – 1 = Acc: 52.31 / Dec: 57.77
Shadow Cat Prime = Acc: 39.78 / Dec: 50.72
Shadow Hawk – 2H = Acc: 26.94 / Dec: 32.27
Stormcrow Prime = Acc: 31.55 / Dec: 35
Trebuchet -7M = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Vindicator 1SIB = Acc: 31.55 / Dec: 42.77
Viper Prime = Acc: 83.09 / 97.87
Heavies
Archer – 2R = Acc: 20.2 / Dec: 22.14
Black Knight – 6 = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 22.66
Cataphract – 3D = Acc: 20.2 / Dec: 22.14
Catapult – C1 = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 25
Dragon – 1N = Acc: 47.71 / Dec: 40.83
Ebon Jaguar Prime = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 25
Grasshopper – 5J = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 26.42
Hellbringer Prime = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 25
Jagermech – DD = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 25
Linebacker Prime = Acc: 49.94 / Dec: 40.19
Mad Dog Prime = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 28.33
Marauder -3R = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 22.66
Night Gyr Prime = Acc: 13.11 / Dec: 17.66
Orion – P = Acc: 17.72 /Dec: 19.66
Orion IIC = Acc: 17.72 / Dec: 19.66
Quickdraw -4G = Acc: 47.71 / Dec: 40.83
Rifleman -3N = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 28.33
Summoner Prime = Acc: 40.79 / Dec: 31.78
Thunderbolt -5S = Acc: 22.33 / Dec:25
Timber Wolf Prime = Acc: 19.48 / Dec: 21.63 (other variants 17.72/19.66)
Warhammer – 6R = Acc: 20.2 / Dec: 22.14
Assualts
Atlas – D = Acc: 6.19 / Dec: 11
Awesome – BQ = Acc: 15.41 / Dec: 17.5
Banshee – LM = Acc: 17.72 / Dec: 15.52
Battlemaster – 1G = Acc: 20.02 / Dec: 18.23
Cyclops 11-A = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 18.88
Direwolf Prime = Acc: 6.19 / Dec: 11
Executioner Prime = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 17.89
Gargoyle Prime = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 23.12
Highlander – HM = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 18.05
Highlander IIC = Acc: 20.02 / Dec: 17.22
King Crab – 000 = Acc: 6.19 / Dec: 11
Kodiak -3 = Acc: 6.19 / Dec: 11
Marauder IIC = Acc: 13.11 / Dec: 15.58
Mauler – 1R = Acc: 10.79 / Dec: 13.88
Stalker – 5M = Acc: 13.11 / Dec: 15.58
Supernova – 1 = Acc: 15.41 / Dec: 15.55
Victor – DS = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 21.25
Warhawk Prime = Acc: 17.72 / Dec: 17.35
Zeus – 6S = 26.94 / Dec: 22.18

[Malrock]

I understand the intent to nerf the K-3 but gutting the spirit bear in this instance is completely unreasonable. I think i would actually like my money back.

Edited by Malrock, 18 May 2017 - 02:29 PM.

[Monkey Lover]

Sorry to say its not bugged. The acceleration rate is 180% when its on. This is about right when i tested it. Problem is all the 100 ton mechs are really slow.

at 180% it still has a acceleration rate slower than the base exe.

[Verkhne]

Shame on PGI. Selling heroes to nerf them with a hammer. A practice that may affect sales of all Hero mechs.

[Monkey Lover]

This is the stuff that is making me so mad at these nerfs. It was a huge kick in the the butt about the agility getting "transferred over". SB is another one. How did the kdk5 get better agility when the SB had quirks for it to start off with?

This is all over the IS mechs so many of them got nerfed and are as slow of snails now.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 18 May 2017 - 02:47 PM.

[evillittlestew]

ohhh no my 100ton mech can only go 60 then 80 with masc OHHHHH NO!

[Monkey Lover]

evillittlestew, on 18 May 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

ohhh no my 100ton mech can only go 60 then 80 with masc OHHHHH NO!

lol it take 6 seconds to get to 80. It will be dead long before its at full speed.

[Malrock]

Oh fantastic, they took away all the quirks including a 25% twist rate and replaced them with a base rate that is well below the rate it would have been even with out any quirks at all! Utter garbage... It is a shell of a mech. It will sit in the hanger never getting used. Anyone got a solid LRM build for it? I mean it is painfully obvious they don't want us to brawl in it any more, which was the whole damn point of the chassis .

Edited by Malrock, 18 May 2017 - 02:53 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Gotta say the SB selling point is gone. Would get a refund for it if I could. That looks absolutely terrible.

[MechaBattler]

Cub, on 18 May 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

My god I hope so.



I'm painfully aware of this, as are all 100 ton assault pilots. The Dire Whale, Atlas, and King Crab have been devastated with the new engine decoupling. But rule does not apply to all weight brackets as many of the acc/dec rates boggle the mind. I actually went through and noted down all of them for at least 1 variant of each mech:

Lights
Adder Prime= Acc: 43.8 / Dec: 65.7
Arctic Cheetah Prime= Acc: 50 / Dec: 84.16
Commando-20 = Acc: 80 / Dec: 140
Firestarter 9-E = Acc: 43.08 / Dec: 65.7
Jenner-D = Acc: 63.85 / Dec: 85
Jenner IIC = Acc: 50 / Dec: 72.14
Kit Fox = Acc: 50 / Dec: 84.16
Locust-IV = Acc: 84.6 / Dec: 182.5
Mist Lynx Prime = Acc: 59.24 / Dec: 113
Panther -10k = Acc: 43.08 / Dec: 65.7
Spider – 5V = Acc: 75.39 / Dec: 111.66
Urbanmech – R63 = Acc: 50 / Dec: 84.16
Wolfhound – 2 = Acc:54.63 / Dec: 76.42
Mediums
Blackjack – 1 = Acc: 31.55 / Dec: 42.77
Bushwacker – X1 = Acc: 26.94 / Dec: 32.27
Centurion 9-1 = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Cicada 3-M = Acc: 54.63 / Dec: 68.87
Crab 27 = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Enforcer – 1N = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Griffin – IN = Acc: 26.94 / Dec: 32.27
Hunchback – 4G = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Hunchback IIC = Acc: 20.02 / Dec: 31
Hunstman Prime = 29.26 / Dec: 37
Ice Ferret Prime = Acc: 62.2 / Dec: 62.77
Kintaro = Acc:33.86 / Dec: 36.36
Nova Prime = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Phoenix Hawk – 1 = Acc: 52.31 / Dec: 57.77
Shadow Cat Prime = Acc: 39.78 / Dec: 50.72
Shadow Hawk – 2H = Acc: 26.94 / Dec: 32.27
Stormcrow Prime = Acc: 31.55 / Dec: 35
Trebuchet -7M = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Vindicator 1SIB = Acc: 31.55 / Dec: 42.77
Viper Prime = Acc: 83.09 / 97.87
Heavies
Archer – 2R = Acc: 20.2 / Dec: 22.14
Black Knight – 6 = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 22.66
Cataphract – 3D = Acc: 20.2 / Dec: 22.14
Catapult – C1 = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 25
Dragon – 1N = Acc: 47.71 / Dec: 40.83
Ebon Jaguar Prime = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 25
Grasshopper – 5J = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 26.42
Hellbringer Prime = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 25
Jagermech – DD = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 25
Linebacker Prime = Acc: 49.94 / Dec: 40.19
Mad Dog Prime = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 28.33
Marauder -3R = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 22.66
Night Gyr Prime = Acc: 13.11 / Dec: 17.66
Orion – P = Acc: 17.72 /Dec: 19.66
Orion IIC = Acc: 17.72 / Dec: 19.66
Quickdraw -4G = Acc: 47.71 / Dec: 40.83
Rifleman -3N = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 28.33
Summoner Prime = Acc: 40.79 / Dec: 31.78
Thunderbolt -5S = Acc: 22.33 / Dec:25
Timber Wolf Prime = Acc: 19.48 / Dec: 21.63 (other variants 17.72/19.66)
Warhammer – 6R = Acc: 20.2 / Dec: 22.14
Assualts
Atlas – D = Acc: 6.19 / Dec: 11
Awesome – BQ = Acc: 15.41 / Dec: 17.5
Banshee – LM = Acc: 17.72 / Dec: 15.52
Battlemaster – 1G = Acc: 20.02 / Dec: 18.23
Cyclops 11-A = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 18.88
Direwolf Prime = Acc: 6.19 / Dec: 11
Executioner Prime = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 17.89
Gargoyle Prime = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 23.12
Highlander – HM = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 18.05
Highlander IIC = Acc: 20.02 / Dec: 17.22
King Crab – 000 = Acc: 6.19 / Dec: 11
Kodiak -3 = Acc: 6.19 / Dec: 11
Marauder IIC = Acc: 13.11 / Dec: 15.58
Mauler – 1R = Acc: 10.79 / Dec: 13.88
Stalker – 5M = Acc: 13.11 / Dec: 15.58
Supernova – 1 = Acc: 15.41 / Dec: 15.55
Victor – DS = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 21.25
Warhawk Prime = Acc: 17.72 / Dec: 17.35
Zeus – 6S = 26.94 / Dec: 22.18

At best 100 ton baseline in general is too low. Not just the SB. But without bumping the whole scale up. It would only be a minor increase.

Edit: Thinking it over. I suppose they could just increase the MASC bonus for it. More practical solution.

Edited by MechaBattler, 18 May 2017 - 04:08 PM.

[Fireeagle]

hmm i wonder what pgi would do if all 100 ton pilots would ask fro refund because of this mess... will they realise what happend? Or remain both eyes blind and without ears????

[Remover of Obstacles]

I tried all mobility and was greatly disappointed.

Looks like brawling in out.

Maybe I'll convert it into an LOLurm boat.

[Vonbach]

Ugh. I feel for you 100 tonners got kicked hard.

[Cub]

Fireeagle, on 18 May 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

hmm i wonder what pgi would do if all 100 ton pilots would ask fro refund because of this mess... will they realise what happend? Or remain both eyes blind and without ears????

I am quite close to doing so as an act of protest because the Spirit Bear is my favorite 'mech. Holding out hope that PGI will come to their senses and do something. I preordered both the Cougar and Mad Cat MKII Collectors packs, totaling $140 dollars ($190.50 for me as I paid with Canadian funds) as a birthday present for myself as it lands right on July 18th. For now I'm trying an awareness approach in hopes that it will reach the powers that be and elicit a positive outcome. Time will tell. For now, my two Spirit Bears are collecting dust and am actually enjoying the Nanuq....but I really do miss my SB already and am afraid the feeling will only grow worse.

~Cub

[Damnedtroll]

The 100 tons are quite slow... maybe they will make some change and bring some agility back, we will see, assault agility look unbalanced between type, a big crazy big drop between 80 and 100, would want to do a curve with that to see differences.

Edited by Damnedtroll, 18 May 2017 - 04:33 PM.

[Malrock]

At this point in time i would like a refund on my Spirit Bear. It was sold as a brawling mech with great agility for those close in fights, it is now a **** that can't do anything. Please give me back my money.