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[Alan Davion]

Ruar, on 04 June 2017 - 01:35 PM, said:

Why would anyone buy multiple copies of the same mech just to experiment with? Especially in the end if you realize you don't like the mech and move on to something different.

The only reason I can see for getting multiple copies of a mech is to put them in a drop deck. Or if I die a lot and want to get into a new match quickly.

Maybe because PGI wants people to stop going to MetaMechs and using only the most MetaEffective build for a mech, which, unless PGI somehow makes match score not so heavily dependent on pure damage output, isn't going to happen.

Also probably because trying to experiment on a single mech now also requires an XP investment beyond the norm. Played a mech but want to change the weapons? Better hope you've played enough to have a gob of extra XP to spend on reactivating skill nodes you deactivated.

It would likely be simpler to buy multiple copies of the same mech and equip them differently right from the get go and then skill them up individually as you go. Sure it'll cost more in C-Bills, but you won't waste XP trying to re-spec every time.

[Ruar]

Alan Davion, on 04 June 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

Maybe because PGI wants people to stop going to MetaMechs and using only the most MetaEffective build for a mech, which, unless PGI somehow makes match score not so heavily dependent on pure damage output, isn't going to happen.

Also probably because trying to experiment on a single mech now also requires an XP investment beyond the norm. Played a mech but want to change the weapons? Better hope you've played enough to have a gob of extra XP to spend on reactivating skill nodes you deactivated.

It would likely be simpler to buy multiple copies of the same mech and equip them differently right from the get go and then skill them up individually as you go. Sure it'll cost more in C-Bills, but you won't waste XP trying to re-spec every time.

Once you get the first 91 nodes the xp becomes easy. Changing the nodes around isn't painful because if you like the mech then you'll have enough xp for experimenting. It's also a lot cheaper to swap nodes around then buy a brand new mech and put on all of the changes you want like engine upgrades, heat sink upgrades, and new weapons.

The only time xp is an issue is when you are trying to hit the first 91 nodes and you realize your initial build sucks. Changing your nodes around means you are increasing how long it takes to get those first 91.

[Dee Eight]

Tordin, on 04 June 2017 - 11:43 AM, said:

PGI needs to add premium back to packs. And as a bonus, let the added premium time be BAKED.

You must be baked if you think PGI needs to put back banked time into new packs. The new packs are selling just fine without time at the $20 level and with active time at the $40 level. Also it makes them consistent with the steam packs which have always been active time, and all the mech bundles (what used to be called mastery bundles) which also had active time. If you're so desperate for banked time, wait for the next store sale on bundles and buy a bunch of the locust ones. Either for MC in game or on the webpage for dollars. They do a couple 20% off sales a year on those.The web store ones you can always wait to redeem them and then they're essentially banked discounted mech bays and premium time. And the locusts can be sold for about 4.5 million cbills if you don't need a 1E champion, a 1V and a pirate's bane.

[C E Dwyer]

CK16, on 03 June 2017 - 09:45 PM, said:

Spoiler

Now this is for ONE tank...a single tank, not leveled are anything! Some do not even come with a trained crew at all!

I find it amusing you chose the ultimate pay to win tank that WoT sell as your example.

it's caused many estabilised you tubers to quit their connection with Wargammingnet over it's introduction

Edited by Cathy, 04 June 2017 - 02:39 PM.

[Mechwarrior1441491]

Not sure why people have a problem with getting the most out of mech. ie. Meta/min maxing etc. Might as well play with less tonnage on your mech for lols.

[Bud Crue]

Ruar, on 04 June 2017 - 01:35 PM, said:

Why would anyone buy multiple copies of the same mech just to experiment with?

Because they look cool with different load outs. I have 13 Quickdraws for no other reason than because they are my favorite mech and I like the way different weapons look on them and also how they play. I'd even buy buy a few more (actually I can think of at least 7 other variations I want to have) if I thought PGI would ever stop f***ing with them.

Apropos, people are all wrong with the mech pack debate.

It is not an issue of PGI being "stupid" and selling three mechs when the rule of three is gone. It is not even about early access. Nope. It is about art and nostalgia.

PGI knows that the kind of person willing to throw $20-$55 bucks at a bunch of virtual content is not throwing that money down for any sort of competitive reason...the comp folks don't need or want three of some new mech (meta or not). No, they are throwing that money down because the mechs look cool and they feed the nostalgia fix. Everyone else just waits for Cbills. Do you really think many new players come into this game and think: "oh 55 dollars for all the Javlins? OK here is my credit card"? No, and PGI knows this. But they do know that Pokemech players, Whales, and nostalgia sucking lorenerds with more money than cmmon sense will buy them all because the look cool and because they are all a bit...just a bit...different. So stop worrying about the "rule of three" and the absence of ala carte purchasing and just enjoy the mech porn and scratch that nostalgia itch with a $20-$55 purchase if that trips your trigger.

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CK16, on 03 June 2017 - 09:45 PM, said:

I know PGI is not perfect...I know there are some area's they need to improve...But I do not have an issue with the price model of the packs....(The previous Wave's, a bit yes I am guessing those do not sell well anymore honestly) BUT for all those b!tching and complain about the $20 pack no longer having the premium time ect....I want to show you guys something and honestly have no issue with them only having that on the Collectors package..

Spoiler

Now this is for ONE tank...a single tank, not leveled are anything! Some do not even come with a trained crew at all!

You can try to say I am comparing apples to Oranges but honestly no...these games are both FPS strategy shooters (although with slightly different tactics to consider ect)....I know PGI is not perfect...BUT honestly the bang for my buck in MWO is far better then most games out there in this genre....WoWS is the exact same pricing model, ffs I am pretty sure WoWP is as well!

Honestly, you guys need to stop thinking about the $20 requiring the premium (I mean really! a $15 item or so free out of a $20 package?! FFS I could honestly keep buying my self Javelin gift packages for the pricing get 3 free mechs and the premium time for the same price as stand alone Premium time! HOW IS THE A GOOD MARKETING STRAT FOR PGI!

I know one of the biggest issues with MWO is since no regional clients (mean like a EU,RU, and NA client ect) that the pricing is hard on players who's countries exchange rate for US $ hurts...this I know is a whole lot larger issue then the price in general....But I do not expect PGI to lower prices any more then what they are cause honestly...they are in a pretty sweet spot for a game like this (from the US $ perspective)....

I love it when people post logic like this... So what you're saying is... it's crappy, but not as crappy as WoT. I guess when the bar is raised one inch that makes it supremely better, right? Hey, whatever you need to tell yourself to justify spending money on this game, buddy! I think there are some cheap gold mechs still available for you, too! They're cheaper than Star Citizen, so by proxy, that's a good deal.

#logicwin

[Ruar]

Bud Crue, on 04 June 2017 - 02:54 PM, said:

Because they look cool with different load outs. I have 13 Quickdraws for no other reason than because they are my favorite mech and I like the way different weapons look on them and also how they play. I'd even buy buy a few more (actually I can think of at least 7 other variations I want to have) if I thought PGI would ever stop f***ing with them.

Apropos, people are all wrong with the mech pack debate.

It is not an issue of PGI being "stupid" and selling three mechs when the rule of three is gone. It is not even about early access. Nope. It is about art and nostalgia.

PGI knows that the kind of person willing to throw $20-$55 bucks at a bunch of virtual content is not throwing that money down for any sort of competitive reason...the comp folks don't need or want three of some new mech (meta or not). No, they are throwing that money down because the mechs look cool and they feed the nostalgia fix. Everyone else just waits for Cbills. Do you really think many new players come into this game and think: "oh 55 dollars for all the Javlins? OK here is my credit card"? No, and PGI knows this. But they do know that Pokemech players, Whales, and nostalgia sucking lorenerds with more money than cmmon sense will buy them all because the look cool and because they are all a bit...just a bit...different. So stop worrying about the "rule of three" and the absence of ala carte purchasing and just enjoy the mech porn and scratch that nostalgia itch with a $20-$55 purchase if that trips your trigger.

Biggest problem I see with this idea is that your whales, loreheads, and pokemech player base is declining or will move on when new BT games are released.

[El Bandito]

Alan Davion, on 04 June 2017 - 05:55 AM, said:

I really do believe that if PGI tried it again, we'd have an exact repeat of the situation a couple years ago with the Phoenix Rising event.

LoL is one thing. Did Riot at any point say anything about "NEVER TO BE MADE AVAILABLE AGAIN" with their legacy skins? Because that's the primary phrase that the "exclusive" crowd in MWO berated those of us who wanted the Phoenix mechs to be made available again with.

Riot did say those skins will not be released again. Couple of years later they took back their words because those skins were profitable to them. So Riot rereleased the skins on seasonal basis and they profited immensely, as huge amount of playerbase was happy because they get to buy them,edpecially those who joined later. Sure some players were pissed but they were dwarfed by the amount of happy players. It was a good business decision for Riot. PGI should do the same, and give some freebies to mollify players who already owns Phoenix packs. Everyone benefits.

[jss78]

After the removal of the 3-variant requirement I have no major complaints about the MWO in-game economy. It's overall remarkably free of P2W. Maybe colours are a bit expensive.

Since we're comparing with Warships -- I'd say what's truly remarkable about MWO is that most cases of people paying real $/€ for 'mechs is actually to get early access for NON-premium 'mechs. I don't think many people would pay actual money for ships that they'll get for free in a few months. People here are just really passionate about their MadCats, Warhammers etc., and it really makes MWO a special beast. I don't think many people care that much about a warship.

As far as premium ships, yeah they're really expensive in high tiers. But then they are much cheaper in low tiers, which is great if you like playing there. I think I paid 10€ for my König Albert.

[Alan Davion]

El Bandito, on 04 June 2017 - 03:34 PM, said:

Riot did say those skins will not be released again. Couple of years later they took back their words because those skins were profitable to them. So Riot rereleased the skins on seasonal basis and they profited immensely, as huge amount of playerbase was happy because they get to buy them,edpecially those who joined later. Sure some players were pissed but they were dwarfed by the amount of happy players. It was a good business decision for Riot. PGI should do the same, and give some freebies to mollify players who already owns Phoenix packs. Everyone benefits.

Maybe it's just me but I don't think even if PGI gave the pissed off players a hundred copies of every cockpit item, current and future, or enough MC to buy every paint job and every color for every mech they own and any future mechs they own, those players would still be pissed as f*** cause their precious Phoenix mechs are no longer exclusive.

[Bud Crue]

Ruar, on 04 June 2017 - 03:32 PM, said:

Biggest problem I see with this idea is that your whales, loreheads, and pokemech player base is declining or will move on when new BT games are released.

Yep. Probably.
I said PGI knows what sells and why....atm. That can certainly change in a few months when the types of players mentioned flee to BT (and make no misake, many will. The only question is just how numerous/important that population of player is to PGI's bottom line). Until then, PGI sells mech porn and pokemechs to the audience willing to pay for them. Maybe they will adapt to a new category of purchaser (the ala carte, I don't want three mechs, but I want 1 new mech NOW even if it is relatively expensive,player) maybe they won't.

[R Valentine]

0/10

[El Bandito]

Alan Davion, on 04 June 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

Maybe it's just me but I don't think even if PGI gave the pissed off players a hundred copies of every cockpit item, current and future, or enough MC to buy every paint job and every color for every mech they own and any future mechs they own, those players would still be pissed as f*** cause their precious Phoenix mechs are no longer exclusive.

It is probably just you. Only a tiny fraction of the original Phoenix owners will be blinded by their own selfishness to not see the benefits it offers. And they will be dwarfed by players that are happy with the decision.

[Imperius]

El Bandito, on 04 June 2017 - 04:00 PM, said:

It is probably just you. Only a tiny fraction of the original Phoenix owners will be blinded by their own selfishness to not see the benefits it offers. And they will be dwarfed by players that are happy with the decision.

If I can get a gold Mad Cat MK II then you can has my vote for the Phoenix Pack. Good luck convincing them to do it though.

[Alan Davion]

Imperius, on 04 June 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

If I can get a gold Mad Cat MK II then you can has my vote for the Phoenix Pack. Good luck convincing them to do it though.

I honestly think they would GIVE you a Gold Mk II, free of charge, just to shush you about the Mk II subject.

[LordNothing]

if pgi is the lesser evil in the f2p model, then its a model im done with. il stick it out here for the rest of the mwo run but no more.

Edited by LordNothing, 04 June 2017 - 05:08 PM.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Alan Davion, on 04 June 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

I honestly think they would GIVE you a Gold Mk II, free of charge, just to shush you about the Mk II subject.

If I b.itch loud enough for my Rifleman IIC can I get a gold one if it drops in game as well?

*crickets*

[Alan Davion]

Arnold The Governator, on 04 June 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

If I b.itch loud enough for my Rifleman IIC can I get a gold one if it drops in game as well?

*crickets*

Scream loud enough and long enough and eventually someone somewhere will listen.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Alan Davion, on 04 June 2017 - 05:14 PM, said:

Scream loud enough and long enough and eventually someone somewhere will listen.

Alright.



Good enough?