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[Valdarion Silarius]

CycKath, on 21 June 2017 - 12:00 AM, said:

I was all prepared to tweet, but then you had to go and disgust me. There can be only one Hero Rifleman IIC - Star Captain Lee and his Infernal Machine.

I tried googling all over the place and the only thing that I could find about the Infernal Machine was this





So I'm not 100% sure if you were referring to Indiana Jones but heck, it kinda reminds me of the violator mech from the battletech Fire at Will novel. Which ironically, Roderick Steiner pilots a custom Rifleman IIC 3 that was modified with 2 cLPL's instead of the stock Heavy Large Lasers.

http://www.sarna.net...oderick_Steiner

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Violator

Edited by Arnold The Governator, 21 June 2017 - 10:04 AM.

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Arnold The Governator, on 20 June 2017 - 07:54 PM, said:

Bump. I'll probably bump this again closer to Friday when PGI has the town hall. Try to get the word over to Russ about the RFL-IIC during the live stream!

There are much more important things to ask Russ about than another stupid mech. DRINK!

[Gas Guzzler]

What about the Blood Asp, Fafnir, Thanatos, and Locust IIC?

[Battlemaster56]

Gas Guzzler, on 21 June 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:

What about the Blood Asp, Fafnir, Thanatos, and Locust IIC?

Blood Asp can wait a little while, Fanfir another 100 tonner but uses HGR so that's nice, Thanatos not much to say for that mech, Locust IIc clans need a 20 tonner like bad.

Also it be nice to fill out most of the Original unseen IIC mechs of the ones available.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 21 June 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

There are much more important things to ask Russ about than another stupid mech. DRINK!

Gas Guzzler, on 21 June 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:

What about the Blood Asp, Fafnir, Thanatos, and Locust IIC?

Blood Asp is no doubt a decent mech, but with the implementation of the Mad Cat MK.2 and since it's another assault omnimech I'm sure we will see it most likely later than sooner imo. I like it in MW:LL, but i think PGI should focus on the mechs that should have been already in game then getting Paul's favorite pet mech in game. I believe that the newer clan mechpacks need a break from MW:4 mechs in the meantime.

The Fafnir is also a cool mech that my friend Harbinger Kane wants in game, but again it's another MW:4 mech that will have terrible hitboxes. I would buy it for c-bills down the road but would not pre-order it anytime soon.

I'm not really interested in the Thanatos since I originally thought it was an IS omnimech. Apparently it started out as one in development but was later deemed as battlemech in production. Still rather meh to the mech since I really have no natural interests in it. Would rather have a mech like the Toyama in it's place.

I would like to see the Locust IIC, but definitely not before the Rifleman IIC or the Warhammer IIC. PGI should release the Locust IIC with the Firemoth when they finally figure out how to get the Firemoth in game. It would be more logical for them to release the Rifleman IIC and the Warhammer IIC at the same time in a double package before we start getting loose end pocket mechs imo.


Besides, with all the mechs that you mentioned this thread is solely dedicated raising awareness about the Rifleman IIC. Not only does it has the nostalgia, but something unique to offer to the clans in the heavy bracket and a decent variety of Civil War era variants. I want Russ to know this and others to get the word out to PGI that we want the mech in game.

However with this being said, I would dismiss the Thanatos and Fafnir since they are IS mechs, and if PGI wanted to release them along the side with the Rifleman IIC/Warhammer IIC or the Rifleman IIC/Locust IIC then that would be fine in my book.

Edited by Arnold The Governator, 21 June 2017 - 06:59 PM.

[CycKath]

Arnold The Governator, on 21 June 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

I tried googling all over the place and the only thing that I could find about the Infernal Machine was this

Oh. Sorry, I assumed how often you posted this image you knew the history behind it:



Star Captain Lee of Reserve Trinary Echo Four and his affectionately dubbed Infernal Machine was assigned to guard a captured supply depot deep within in Spanac during the Battle of Tukayyid, bemoaning that he's denied a chance at glory... mere seconds before the Com Guards breach the Ghost Bear lines to recapture that supply depot.

That's an image of his last stand before he's killed.

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Arnold The Governator, on 21 June 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

I'm going to say no to the Thanatos since it's a IS Omnimech.

The Thanatos is NOT an Omnimech.

Arnold The Governator, on 21 June 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

Not only does it has the nostalgia, but something unique to offer to the clans in the heavy bracket and a decent variety of Civil War era variants.

I wouldn't say it is that unique in capability considering we are getting the Nova Cat which is basically the energy boat version of the Night Gyr, between the both of them we have the main role of the Rifleman IIC covered.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 21 June 2017 - 02:52 PM.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 21 June 2017 - 02:51 PM, said:

The Thanatos is NOT an Omnimech.


I wouldn't say it is that unique in capability considering we are getting the Nova Cat which is basically the energy boat version of the Night Gyr, between the both of them we have the main role of the Rifleman IIC covered.

Originally designed as one perhaps, but yeah I see that it's a battlemech. I guess I misread it.

The Nova Cat however is not a substitute for the Rifleman IIC. Yes perhaps they both boat energy very well. Like I said earlier the Rifleman IIC offers battlemech capabilities over the Nova Cat chassis and has higher weapon mounts. While there is only one omnipod that offers JJ's for the Nova Cat, the Rifleman IIC has more room for customization since it's a battlemech and mixes and matches those higher weapon mounts in comparison. So I don't see how the Rifleman IIC's role is covered from between the Nova Cat and the Night Gyr since they are both omnimechs.

[Valdarion Silarius]

CycKath, on 21 June 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

Oh. Sorry, I assumed how often you posted this image you knew the history behind it:



Star Captain Lee of Reserve Trinary Echo Four and his affectionately dubbed Infernal Machine was assigned to guard a captured supply depot deep within in Spanac during the Battle of Tukayyid, bemoaning that he's denied a chance at glory... mere seconds before the Com Guards breach the Ghost Bear lines to recapture that supply depot.

That's an image of his last stand before he's killed.

Honestly I thought I was the self proclaimed Rifleman IIC expert around here, lol. I posted this image whenever the RFL-IIC came up in discussions since it's how I would picture PGI making it in game since it's one of my favorite renditions of the mech. I was never really a fan of the original artwork since I generally lean towards the realistic tanky looks of mechs compared to their anime-ish counterparts. Even though I still like the original artwork of it, I'd pictured the MWO rendition of the RFL-IIC being closer to Rick Harris's artwork depiction over the Victor Musical Industries classic artwork of the mech.

I'm pretty sure that PGI is going to go with the reseen artwork rendition, but I hope they go with the classical look imo. But since you contributed the lore behind this unique Infernal Machine hero I'm all for it being in game now, lol. Where did you get the lore behind the Infernal Machine if I may ask? Was it a part of the original Battle of Tukayyid game scenarios, or a part of one of the original TRO's that I might have overlooked?

[CycKath]

Arnold The Governator, on 21 June 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

Where did you get the lore behind the Infernal Machine if I may ask? Was it a part of the original Battle of Tukayyid game scenarios, or a part of one of the original TRO's that I might have overlooked?

The Tukayyid scenario pack - Clan Ghost Bear - Luarca's Revenge pages 55-56

might post something more when I get home

Edited by CycKath, 21 June 2017 - 08:54 PM.

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[Valdarion Silarius]

CycKath, on 22 June 2017 - 02:32 AM, said:

Interesting read, thanks for the post. I found the battle of tukayyid scenario out there on scribd before you posted this and checked it out for myself. Was going to link the article the page from there if you couldn't find it out there. So I guess the name Infernal Machine is set in stone for the hero. Heck, I like it for MW:O. It's kind of a throwback to the JM6-FB, or the Jagermech Firebrand hero. I Would like a similar camo scheme but maybe something similar to this as inspiration:





Then I guess the next question is what should the Infernal Machine's hero load out be? Something with a flamer in the head with a mix of all weaponry like the RFL-IIC 8? A close range dedicated brawler mech with an ECM and maybe LBX autocannons & cMPL's in the arms, SRM's in the side torsos and maybe the flamer for the head energy hardpoint? Would be kinda interesting to see a fire breathing Rifleman IIC in the battlefield I guess, lol.

Edited by Arnold The Governator, 22 June 2017 - 08:29 AM.

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Arnold The Governator, on 21 June 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

So I don't see how the Rifleman IIC's role is covered from between the Nova Cat and the Night Gyr since they are both omnimechs.

Just because Rifleman IICs have more customization freedom doesn't mean they don't compete for the same role with the Gyr and Nova Cat.......they are both slow heavies that can poptart with decently high mounts.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 22 June 2017 - 09:05 AM.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 22 June 2017 - 09:04 AM, said:

Just because Rifleman IICs have more customization freedom doesn't mean they don't compete for the same role with the Gyr and Nova Cat.......they are both slow heavies that can poptart with decently high mounts.

And your point is? Look, if you don't like the Rifleman IIC mech then just come forward, say it and move on. You are really comparing apples to oranges here in different weight classes. Is it fair to compare mechs like the Mad Cat Mk.2 with the Blood Asp even though it's a battlemech vs an omnimech? We got the MK2 first in game and we are bound to get the Blood Asp as well. Same thing goes for the Rifleman IIC. Both the Nova Cat and the Night Gyr are more or less omnimechs made for speed that have completely different roles compared to the Rifleman IIC.

As much as you may not like it, the Rifleman IIC has alot to offer for the Civil War era tech and it will be a good seller for PGI. Since it weights less than the Night Gyr or Nova Cat, more people are bound to pick it up for FW for drop decks and might potentially have meta capabilities. I think the more people that are against the Rifleman IIC being in MW:O are afraid of the power creep that it's capable of; which is rather stupid in reality since we have mechs like the Marauder IIC and the potentially new Mad Cat MK.2 that will take the throne.

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Arnold The Governator, on 22 June 2017 - 10:17 AM, said:

You are really comparing apples to oranges here in different weight classes.

All three are heavies.....sure there is 5 ton separation between the three of them, but that really doesn't matter considering weight classes are apparently how they want to balance things for comp.

Arnold The Governator, on 22 June 2017 - 10:17 AM, said:

Is it fair to compare mechs like the Mad Cat Mk.2 with the Blood Asp even though it's a battlemech vs an omnimech?

Yes, not sure why that wouldn't ever be the case especially given they are the same tonnage.

Arnold The Governator, on 22 June 2017 - 10:17 AM, said:

I think the more people that are against the Rifleman IIC being in MW:O are afraid of the power creep that it's capable of

ROFL, no, that's not why. Ever think it is one of the following:

• It's a retread mech that is done better by other mechs (again, Night Gyr and Nova Cat).
  
• People are tired of new mechs.

Arnold The Governator, on 22 June 2017 - 10:17 AM, said:

which is rather stupid in reality since we have mechs like the Marauder IIC and the potentially new Mad Cat MK.2 that will take the throne.

Marauder IIC and the MKII do very different things, the MKII won't replace the laser vomit capability of the Marauder IIC because it simply doesn't have the hardpoints. The Supernova is competitive with the Marauder IIC, not the MKII. Now Gauss/PPCs, sure there is a definite potential there.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 22 June 2017 - 10:31 AM.

[Imperius]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 22 June 2017 - 09:04 AM, said:

Just because Rifleman IICs have more customization freedom doesn't mean they don't compete for the same role with the Gyr and Nova Cat.......they are both slow heavies that can poptart with decently high mounts.

Ignore this guy he attempted the same type of derailing in my Mad Cat MK II threads.

Back to the Rifleman IIC discussion!

If you're not here to support the subject matter in this thread, then you're more than welcome to start your own threads for your pet mech if you even have one. This isn't a balancing discussion and you've already stated your position on the mech. Anything posted after that is just attempting to derail the topic or you like to be argumentative.

[Battlemaster56]

Arnold The Governator, on 22 June 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

Interesting read, thanks for the post. I found the battle of tukayyid scenario out there on scribd before you posted this and checked it out for myself. Was going to link the article the page from there if you couldn't find it out there. So I guess the name Infernal Machine is set in stone for the hero. Heck, I like it for MW:O. It's kind of a throwback to the JM6-FB, or the Jagermech Firebrand hero. I Would like a similar camo scheme but maybe something similar to this as inspiration:

Thoses are nice ideas for camo for the infernal machine.

I was thinking of this camo scheme.




But I'm feeling that scorching dragon camo more than my choices ^^

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Imperius, on 22 June 2017 - 10:30 AM, said:

If you're not here to support the subject matter in this thread

I don't think you understand the point of threads......it isn't just for people to get on the agreement group think train. This is the General Discussion forum, NOT the General Agreement forum.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 22 June 2017 - 10:33 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 22 June 2017 - 10:32 AM, said:

I don't think you understand the point of threads......it isn't just for people to get on the agreement group think train. This is the General Discussion forum, NOT the General Agreement forum.

Agreed.

Wouldn't mind the Rifleman IIC I guess, but there are other roles I would like to see covered first. Clan Heavy is not really something I'm looking at personally.

Would rather have a Kingfisher than the Rifleman IIC

Honestly, if it had Cyclops level of agility it would be awesome-sauce, coupled with some durability buffs... mmmmmhmm!

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 22 June 2017 - 10:36 AM.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 22 June 2017 - 10:30 AM, said:

All three are heavies.....sure there is 5 ton separation between the three of them, but that really doesn't matter considering weight classes are apparently how they want to balance things for comp.


Yes, not sure why that wouldn't ever be the case especially given they are the same tonnage.


ROFL, no, that's not why. Ever think it is one of the following:

• It's a retread mech that is done better by other mechs (again, Night Gyr and Nova Cat).
  
• People are tired of new mechs.

Marauder IIC and the MKII do very different things, the MKII won't replace the laser vomit capability of the Marauder IIC because it simply doesn't have the hardpoints. The Supernova is competitive with the Marauder IIC, not the MKII. Now Gauss/PPCs, sure there is a definite potential there.

*facepalm* Now I just can't tell if you are trolling at this point. This is what Imperius must have meant for anyone who tried to bash the MK2. Alright let's begin shall we.

You are comparing a 65 ton battlemech to a 70 ton omnimech and a 75 ton omnimech. You might as well compare the 65 ton omnimechs that we have in game to the Rifleman IIC. All which are complete omnimechs when the Rifleman IIC will be the first 65 ton clan battlemech in game. The only other heavy battlemech that we have for the clans is the Orion IIC, which again is completely different to the Rifleman IIC because of their roles and weight tonnage differences.

It doesn't matter if people are tired of new mechs since PGI makes their primary source of income from new mech packs. Besides the Rifleman IIC, we still have other mechs to go like the Blood Asp, the Fafnir, the Firemoth and many other mech chassis's that people still want in game. The Rifleman IIC is next in line for the clan heavy bracket.

And lastly, I can tell you failed to contemplate anything that I posted as valid arguments since now you are comparing the Mad Cat MK.2 to the Marauder IIC, which is something that I never said to begin with. I simply stated that the Mad Cat MK.2 will very likely take the throne of the Marauder IIC when it drops in game.

Imperius, on 22 June 2017 - 10:30 AM, said:

Ignore this guy he attempted the same type of derailing in my Mad Cat MK II threads.

Back to the Rifleman IIC discussion!

If you're not here to support the subject matter in this thread, then you're more than welcome to start your own threads for your pet mech if you even have one. This isn't a balancing discussion and you've already stated your position on the mech. Anything posted after that is just attempting to derail the topic or you like to be argumentative.

I can tell he is trying to derail the thread. Take this parting gift Quicksilver Kalasa.