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[Mister Blastman]

Kaeb Odellas, on 17 June 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

My experience running the12 CSPL Nova is that it is not very hard to close the distance on most maps. Even Polar Highlands wasn't much of a problem.

Once you close the distance, it's pretty much over. 12 CSPLs simply delete mediums and lights. Heavies don't fare much better either.

And God help your enemy if you manage to get behind them undetected.

Quite possibly. Not in the solo PUG queue, however, or most other anything goes drops (the majority of game time we participate in). In the solo PUG queue, it is damn hard sometimes to get into firing range.

[Spr1ggan]

Lugin, on 17 June 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

Maybe I should point out that in TT, Clan SPL does 3 damage?

Not 4, not 6, 3.

WHY THE EVERLOVING **** WAS IT SET TO ****ING DOUBLE DAMAGE?!

Armour and structure are higher than in TT so why should weapons keep TT values?

[Mcgral18]

The Pug Commander, on 17 June 2017 - 07:09 AM, said:

micro pulses will be the new cspl.

Not the the cSPL, but the new isSPLs
Still pretty bad, but half the cost

Nova can bring 12/14 (see GH values for 2 ~safe salvos) along with 24 DHS
It will do that at lower heat than SPLs


He'll be able to fire for a long while with potentially similar DPS (significantly weaker Alpha, but also a lower cooldown)

Vonbach, on 17 June 2017 - 07:18 AM, said:

Oh no clans are getting nerfed to only slightly above IS in power level. Oh the horror.

Not only that, to LESS than the Sphere power level! The cSPL was gimped hard
The isSPL was moderately gimped, but he WAS ALREADY BAD

It should have received a BUFF
That's what all this confusion is about
cSPL should have gotten A nerf, probably damage to 5, and a buff somewhere else
Reduce the LOLpha, maybe a larger Ext range (also meaning more damage in a match)

Lugin, on 17 June 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

Maybe I should point out that in TT, Clan SPL does 3 damage?

Not 4, not 6, 3.

WHY THE EVERLOVING **** WAS IT SET TO ****ING DOUBLE DAMAGE?!

This is a good point, but it made the weapon worth taking
1 MPL VS 2 SPLs sort of thing

Right now:
Dam 12 VS 8
Heat 6 VS 6
Range 165 VS 3xx somethinganother

So, trading range for damage

Soon™
Dam 8 VS 7.5
Heat 6 VS 5
Range 165 VS 330M (I checked it)


So, now for roughly HALF the range, you get marginally more damage for MORE HEAT
Yeah...how about no?

[Jay Leon Hart]

Spr1ggan, on 17 June 2017 - 12:21 PM, said:

Armour and structure are higher than in TT so why should weapons keep TT values?

No random location tohit checks, pilots aim.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Mister Blastman, on 17 June 2017 - 11:47 AM, said:

Quite possibly. Not in the solo PUG queue, however, or most other anything goes drops (the majority of game time we participate in). In the solo PUG queue, it is damn hard sometimes to get into firing range.

I play almost exclusively solo PUG.

[Mystere]

Stefka Kerensky, on 17 June 2017 - 10:43 AM, said:

Well, it's not a surprise neither.
It's like 6 or more months we are waiting for new (and better) tech such as IS ER lasers, micro pulse laser etc.

Ah! But does "better" mean "nerfing the existing tech to make space for new ones"?

[r4plez]

UnofficialOperator, on 17 June 2017 - 12:02 AM, said:

Nerfing lights because of potato assault pilots...

Well, this looks like Paul Inouye being killed 2many times in his King Crab by sneaky light..

[STEF_]

Mystere, on 17 June 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

Ah! But does "better" mean "nerfing the existing tech to make space for new ones"?

OF COURSE!
and I'm 100 agree with that.

mmmm.....u very like powercreep, ah?

[Mystere]

Stefka Kerensky, on 17 June 2017 - 02:26 PM, said:

OF COURSE!
and I'm 100 agree with that.

mmmm.....u very like powercreep, ah?

That is what long-term planning and solid vision are for.

[Cyrion]

Kaeb Odellas, on 17 June 2017 - 01:03 PM, said:

I play almost exclusively solo PUG.

So do I. Which means, like me, you should have 90% of your games being ones in which your team hides and never tries to push the enemy team. Which means if you want to get up close you have to do it solo or wait until the entire enemy team crashes into your LRM Assaults and worthless Heavies who seemingly are trying to aim with a joystick.

But hey, no worries. Now we'll all just slap on ERLLs (which have the same duration as cSLs, lol) and play HideWarrior at 800+ meters. Good luck maneuvering your (now) 32 point alpha Linebacker through the rave beams, buddy.

[Mystere]

Cyrion, on 17 June 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:

... who seemingly are trying to aim with a joystick.

Hey! Hey! Hey! Don't you go insulting my Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog!

And just to let you know, I also use iPads (3 of them), rudder pedals, Logitech G13 gamepad, Logitech M570 Wireless Trackball, and Logitech K750 Wireless Solar Keyboard, all mounted on an RSeat RS1 (with both tailbone and lumbar support!!!) and/or articulated arms. So don't you go insulting my "joystick".

Edited by Mystere, 17 June 2017 - 03:12 PM.

[McBrahman]

Mystere, on 17 June 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

Ah! But does "better" mean "nerfing the existing tech to make space for new ones"?

That is the point.

They want to sell new weapon-tech which is not needed, so they nerf the ones you have to make you buy.



And second is to reduce dps and alpha in close combat. This will make me feel better because i will live longer and have more time to aim my deadly shots. I have great tactical plans that will work out if i just would live 20 seconds longer!

It will be a hard month or two until we see the full picture but today i got a bad feeling.

[Mystere]

McBrahman, on 17 June 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

That is the point.

They want to sell new weapon-tech Mech Packs which is not needed, so they nerf the ones you have to make you buy.

FTFY, lest we forget.

Edited by Mystere, 17 June 2017 - 03:22 PM.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Cyrion, on 17 June 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:

So do I. Which means, like me, you should have 90% of your games being ones in which your team hides and never tries to push the enemy team. Which means if you want to get up close you have to do it solo or wait until the entire enemy team crashes into your LRM Assaults and worthless Heavies who seemingly are trying to aim with a joystick.

But hey, no worries. Now we'll all just slap on ERLLs (which have the same duration as cSLs, lol) and play HideWarrior at 800+ meters. Good luck maneuvering your (now) 32 point alpha Linebacker through the rave beams, buddy.

It helps when you use a mic and coordinate with your team. It seems to work out more often than not.

[Spyco94]

I am concerned that the clan ER Small laser did not get a damage reduction like all the other lasers did. So now the ER small does more damage per shot than the Pulse laser version.

[FupDup]

Spyco94, on 17 June 2017 - 04:15 PM, said:

I am concerned that the clan ER Small laser did not get a damage reduction like all the other lasers did. So now the ER small does more damage per shot than the Pulse laser version.

I wouldn't be too worried, given that PGI is using the IS SL as the baseline we can expect much further smacking for the CERSL.

[STEF_]

Mystere, on 17 June 2017 - 02:30 PM, said:

That is what long-term planning and solid vision are for.

Yep, and finally Paul is out.

I want to trust the new balance lord.

"I want to believe" (xfiles theme)

[Zergling]

Cyrion, on 16 June 2017 - 11:39 PM, said:

Isn't this YOUR fault? You and the small minority like you spend every day whining on here about "Clans are OP! PGI NERF PLS!!"

You say this when you know full well PGI can't balance anything. And this is what we get.

So thanks, Zerg. Way to go bud.

Energy Rebalance FlusterCuck! Brought to you by Zergling!

Oh yes, it's all my fault, totally my fault. PGI went and asked me for input into how to improve game balance, right?

Oh wait, this is the PGI that doesn't even bother listening to feedback on the forums, so what influence would any of my posts even have, when I've haven't even been 'spending every day whining on here about OP Clans' to begin with?

So shove your blaming and shaming where the sun doesn't shine.

xe N on, on 17 June 2017 - 07:19 AM, said:

Which nerf? 0.1 s burntime increase? really? Or do you mean the 0.5 s cooldown nerf .. because CERML is all about dps ...

Snowbluff, on 17 June 2017 - 07:51 AM, said:

I dunno. The cSPL was probably overnerfed, but I think the cERML is still pretty damn good.

To be honest, the Clan ER Med duration nerf just brings them back to where they were before -10% laser duration gained from the skill tree.

Before skill tree = 1.15 seconds
After skill tree = 1.035 seconds
After 1.25 duration nerf = 1.125 seconds

The only problem is that Clans have to spend those skill points to get back the duration they had previously, and the ER Med won't be synced so well with Clan Large Pulse anymore.

Edited by Zergling, 17 June 2017 - 05:24 PM.

[Gyrok]

FupDup, on 17 June 2017 - 04:17 PM, said:

I wouldn't be too worried, given that PGI is using the IS SL as the baseline we can expect much further smacking for the CERSL.

The CERSL was, actually, 5 damage in TT. The SPL was 3

[FupDup]

Gyrok, on 17 June 2017 - 05:28 PM, said:

The CERSL was, actually, 5 damage in TT. The SPL was 3

Coincidentally, the SPL was also not worth using in TT.