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[Humpday]

LordNothing, on 01 July 2017 - 10:25 PM, said:

as ive determined from running the pts, i have way too many ******* mechs. mechs for every combination of mrm, lppc and hmg. ive got mechs that can boat every new system, ive got mechs that can run stealth (not that its worth it), ive got mechs that can be rl trolls.

what i dont have are cbills to buy new weapons systems. and i certainly aint earning any on the pts.

DDAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Kaptain]

Loving The 100ton mechs with 350LFEs.
Dusting off my hated raven (that I love now)
Probably going to buy the ECM spider.
Definitely going to buy an ECM cicada.
Once its out and on sale I'm going to buy the Hero Enforcer for its SA+ECM+GR goodness.
Also dusted off the orions and the phenix thunderbolt.
LPPCs are finding a home on everything.
Ultra 10 is great.
ER smalls and mediums are very useful.
Still hopping the HGR and LBX20 get shrunk in the wash.
LFE have really changed what IS mechs can do for the better.
I love this update!

Edited by Kaptain, 01 July 2017 - 11:05 PM.

[Humpday]

Those snubs tho

[Gagis]

Black Knight 6B for the 9 hardpoints and heat gen quirk to take maximum advantage of the greatness of ER Medium Lasers.

[CJ Daxion]

None for new tech, but i have bought about 20 mechs for the skill tree and rule of one. I think my next mechs will be for FW drop deck versions. Like a scouting or FW drop deck build.


If the clan mechs that match the coming heroes go on sale next month, i might grab something though. My next mechs are Bushwacker, roughneck, and huntsman.. But i'm waiting for a sale.

[Dogstar]

Humpday, on 01 July 2017 - 06:00 PM, said:

Bruh...why did you bother posting?

Well opinions and ******** go together and they always seem to want to make sure you know what it is

Unless he's trying to be sarcastic?

[Humpday]

Since its bound to come up at one point or another...sooooo...

Am I the only one who has noticed you can dual fire IS UAC20s...without....you know, that hot as balls thing(GH)?

Im mean if this is by design, great! But ummm, i'm pretty sure someone will complain. Because if it stays like this...the King Crab...well, its may favorite EFF YOU mech of all time....cuz you know, dual UAC20s with dual ERMEDS are good for a +80 point double tap alpha.

...no seriously, is this the way uac20s will be?

Edited by Humpday, 02 July 2017 - 12:44 AM.

[Khobai]

hero cyclops for dual heavy gauss

shadowcat for 7 hmg

Edited by Khobai, 02 July 2017 - 02:48 AM.

[Lupis Volk]

Urbies are gonna rock a Rac or Light Gauss.

[Aleski]

With new tech i have dusted out my Protector :
Gauss + SNPPC + 2xASRM6 + LFE 325
HGauss + SNPPC + 2xASRM4 + STD 300

My Marauder 3R is fun too :
Twin SNPPC + AC/20 + LFE 325, pretty brutal pin point in a brawl.

I have to test more light mechs too...

Anansi : 2xERML + 2x HMG + SRM6

[Bud Crue]

Aggravated Assault Mech, on 01 July 2017 - 08:23 PM, said:

I was thinking about that, but I think that if they become actually good they'll just have their quirks toned back until they're floating at the balance point their hardpoints and hitboxes give them naturally- bad.

Basically everything has gone in favor of the Cataphract recently- which is pretty much how it has to be for it to overcome the hardpoint locations and barn door syndrome. The potential for the Cataphract to be good, like the Dragon, basically exists only when the stars align and their quirks and hardpoints align with general weapon balance and pub meta to overcome the terrible hitboxes and hardpoint locations. Take any of those things away and they tumble down into the crevasse of bad variants.

By comparison, even if the MAL-2P has its UAC jam chance quirks toned back, or UAC20 takes a ghost heat penalty, it's still totally adaptable to LB20X/AC20/UAC10/Gauss/HGauss etc. because its hitboxes are passable, it's hardpoints have good convergence, and it doesn't really rely upon too many quirks- it can really only be nerfed to mid tier, while the Cataphract can be nerfed to **** tier.

Not that I expect it, but there's more of an inherent risk to a mech like the Cataphract, making them "wait and see" sort of mechs.

Yup. I fear new tech is going to result in the Dragons, Cataphracts, Orions and Victors (and others) will be losing their defensive quirks to at least some extent (probably a large extent). Folks with very specific builds are going to put up decent numbers and those new "meta" builds will be what PGI balances against (nobodies fault, that's just the way it will go, numbers without context, etc.). Those numbers will show that the mechs are performing above their target values; and so say "good bye" to quirks and a return to mediocrity even when running those "meta" builds of an LFE, 4 Light PPC and a Gauss, or whatever the new build of the month is. Thus, instead of quirks driving folks to run specific builds, it will be a lack of quirks forcing folks into running specific builds.

That's all I see the LFE really being about: a mechanism to allow PGI to further reduce quirks and force mechs into more uniform roles. Phracts and the others are just going to get hurt by this push to uniformity the most I think. Hope I am wrong but that's how I see it playing out eventually.

[C E Dwyer]

None, I'm possibly cancelling my Civil War orders, I'll have to see if the models any good, any that haven't had sneak peaks off before the Friday will get cancelled.

I didn't care much for the I.S art work to start with, so unless they look exceptional they're cancelled.

The cougar is the most likely keeper.

Of the reinforcements I might yet consider the Night Star and the Artic Wolf, as the others are just mutant builds of mechs in game, or announced, that look worse.
Though the way P.G.I are rewarding it customers with XP bonus cockpit items is putting me off purchasing.

These will if they happen definitely be my last mech purchases unless they revert to filling mechs I want, still missing from the 3025 period.

Bud Crue, on 02 July 2017 - 03:42 AM, said:

Yup. I fear new tech is going to result in the Dragons, Cataphracts, Orions and Victors (and others) will be losing their defensive quirks to at least some extent (probably a large extent). Folks with very specific builds are going to put up decent numbers and those new "meta" builds will be what PGI balances against (nobodies fault, that's just the way it will go, numbers without context, etc.). Those numbers will show that the mechs are performing above their target values; and so say "good bye" to quirks and a return to mediocrity even when running those "meta" builds of an LFE, 4 Light PPC and a Gauss, or whatever the new build of the month is. Thus, instead of quirks driving folks to run specific builds, it will be a lack of quirks forcing folks into running specific builds.

That's all I see the LFE really being about: a mechanism to allow PGI to further reduce quirks and force mechs into more uniform roles. Phracts and the others are just going to get hurt by this push to uniformity the most I think. Hope I am wrong but that's how I see it playing out eventually.

well if they nerf the freaking Victor again I'm so out the door won't hit my arse, I'm sick and tired of the abuse they've given that mech over the years

[Appogee]

Humpday, on 01 July 2017 - 04:22 PM, said:

I'd also like to note, anything in this game is never finalized. Its perpetual development.

Well, that's a polite way of putting it.

[Bud Crue]

Cathy, on 02 July 2017 - 04:06 AM, said:

None, I'm possibly cancelling my Civil War orders, I'll have to see if the models any good, any that haven't had sneak peaks off before the Friday will get cancelled.

I didn't care much for the I.S art work to start with, so unless they look exceptional they're cancelled.

The cougar is the most likely keeper.

Of the reinforcements I might yet consider the Night Star and the Artic Wolf, as the others are just mutant builds of mechs in game, or announced, that look worse.
Though the way P.G.I are rewarding it customers with XP bonus cockpit items is putting me off purchasing.

These will if they happen definitely be my last mech purchases unless they revert to filling mechs I want, still missing from the 3025 period.


well if they nerf the freaking Victor again I'm so out the door won't hit my arse, I'm sick and tired of the abuse they've given that mech over the years

I don't think it will get hit (much) with the initial "major rebalance" that they have planned for this fall, but I bet it will get dinged shortly thereafter. I expect a Heavy Gauss and 2 Snub nose on the Heavy Metal (or whatever) will ruin enough peoples day that PGI will eventually say that the Victor is "over performing our internally established target values". Hope I am wrong.

[Alexander of Macedon]

Bud Crue, on 02 July 2017 - 03:42 AM, said:

That's all I see the LFE really being about: a mechanism to allow PGI to further reduce quirks and force mechs into more uniform roles. Phracts and the others are just going to get hurt by this push to uniformity the most I think. Hope I am wrong but that's how I see it playing out eventually.

Mm, tell me about it. I've spent the last six months cringing at the thought of PGI deciding that CTFs are somehow OP and stripping their defensive quirks. Even with LFE they'd be garbage sans those, the fate of any 'mech that has to expose 85% of its chassis to fire. That, and certain of my builds for 'em won't even be able to take LFE.

[drifter bob]

Mauler mx90 with 6 uac 2s was crazy fun gonna have to dust him off when the time comes

[QuantumButler]

>Not already owning over 130 mechs.

LOL

[KodiakGW]

Mostly dusting off some old chassis due to LFEs, UAC10, and ERML. Only addition may be Bushies.

[kapusta11]

Yeah, I'm going to buy some Bushwackers too. LFE + UAC20 + 4 ML is very good.

[Cato Phoenix]

Bud Crue, on 02 July 2017 - 03:42 AM, said:

Yup. I fear new tech is going to result in the Dragons, Cataphracts, Orions and Victors (and others) will be losing their defensive quirks to at least some extent (probably a large extent). Folks with very specific builds are going to put up decent numbers and those new "meta" builds will be what PGI balances against (nobodies fault, that's just the way it will go, numbers without context, etc.). Those numbers will show that the mechs are performing above their target values; and so say "good bye" to quirks and a return to mediocrity even when running those "meta" builds of an LFE, 4 Light PPC and a Gauss, or whatever the new build of the month is. Thus, instead of quirks driving folks to run specific builds, it will be a lack of quirks forcing folks into running specific builds.

That's all I see the LFE really being about: a mechanism to allow PGI to further reduce quirks and force mechs into more uniform roles. Phracts and the others are just going to get hurt by this push to uniformity the most I think. Hope I am wrong but that's how I see it playing out eventually.

I really hope the LFE doesn't send a sweep of negative armor/structure quirks through the IS. It will just ruin those builds continuing to run XL engines, which will be a lot of mechs.