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[Vxheous]

Mar X maN, on 05 July 2017 - 03:37 PM, said:

This is actually THE strongest argument for mixed builds. Meta relies on a few select maps, ideally only one.

Meta. One map, one mech. one weapon. All else obsolete & inferior.

Not really, since laser vomit functions on 95% of the maps out there. Even Polar if you know how to close on the map allows you to comfortable trade at 400m. Or when in doubt, play a Gauss/ERPPC Night Gyr and eliminate map heat out of the equation. Mixed builds are crap

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 05 July 2017 - 03:40 PM.

[The Lost Boy]

Tiers dont mean much. If you can get aprox 450 damage a match, win or loose you will wind up in tier 1. No matter what. If you play group queue and ride on coat tails you will still get to tier 1. Its just based on damage and winning. Win with good damage it rises lots, lose with good damage = or slight -.

I have blah stats. And my tier 1 bar is maxed out. I play group and solo, sometimes well , sometimes not.

Its just an exp. counter.

Nothing more.

[Novakaine]

Man just play your own game the only sitting in your chair is you.

[UnofficialOperator]

Tiers are sort of not useful at certain hours of the day and at certain servers due to player population. That's when you can see T4 playing with T1 etc. And that's when you can club seals easily. It's actually been like this since 7 months ago when I last played. I've said too much already

[dario03]

I take brawl mechs of all weight classes into solo, group, invasion, and scouting pretty often and it seems to work just fine. Sure you might have matches where you have to be out of range for a bit, but once you do get in range you can put damage out very fast. On the other hand a long range mech is great for other play styles but if one or both teams push very early then your lower dps makes it hard to get in the damage.

[El Bandito]

A lot of brawl mech pilots simply lack patience. They tend to rush in after yelling their SQ team to follow him, and complain when the others do not and he dies first.

So yeah--Patience.

[justcallme A S H]

Going from T2 to T1 makes little to no difference in the opponents you get though. It's just a free-for-all. When I play US Prime I am 100% getting T3 users in matches cause I know them.

You can most certainly still brawl either way. The problem is against half decent opponents you are no longer forgiven for being poorly positioned or showing bad restraint.

In lower tier matches (where it's mostly, lower tier) you can run around in a brawler however you want and people don't pay attention.

I can run around in a SRM MDD and still crank out 500dmg+ easily. It's all about knowing "when" and "where".

El Bandito, on 05 July 2017 - 09:35 PM, said:

A lot of brawl mech pilots simply lack patience. They tend to rush in after yelling their SQ team to follow him, and complain when the others do not and he dies first.

So yeah--Patience.

This. They don't know how to properly run a brawler.

[Leone]

justcallme A S H, on 05 July 2017 - 10:09 PM, said:

This. They don't know how to properly run a brawler.

There is a difference in knowing how to do a thing right, and choosing to do so. During events I live in the nebulous area inbetween know as, 'eh, I got my damage in'. 'Course this is mainly in Quickplay, but that's the only place Tiers live as well.

~Leone

[MustrumRidcully]

Prosperity Park, on 05 July 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

The OP said Brawling is Dead and that's why he does not like being in Tier 1. That's the whole basis of this thread. Quote him, not me.



Yeah, "Brawling" is such a good tactic that our entire military doctrine is based around intelligence, long-range weapons, and not getting into knife fights unless absolutely required, such as in clearing buildings. That's our tanks, ships, and aircraft use weapons with ranges in the kilometers, not meters. Brawling is just an open invitation to get shot.

When Brawling is synonymous with "shield arms" and "armor sharing" is literally means "getting shot the **** up" which leads to vehicle damage. Brawling should be a last ditch effort since it is very easy to come out of a ranged fight with little damage but brawl almost always cause severe damsge to all parties.

The Inner Sphere does not have unlimited production facilities, you know :-p

Battletech Warfare has little to do with real world combat in that regards.

A knife or sword is not more deadly than a gun. A long range gun tends to be deadlier than a short range one. (And worse, you can't even give your soldier 8 pistols instead of a single rifle and expect him to be more deadly that way.)

This isn't true in Battletech. Longer range weapons always deal a bit less damage or produce more heat then a lower range weapon at the same tonnage. And mechs can easily equip and utilize multiple weapons.

[Vellron2005]

Here's my 2 cents:

This is a videogame. It's meant to be fun. And I will never ever let anyone else tell me how to play, what to bring, and what not to.

I have already had a few serious arguments over this issue before.

NO I will not change my dropdeck to exactly the mechs you tell me to bring, with the exact loadouts you tell me to put on. It's MY game, not yours.

And I will defend my right to have fun until the servers shut down!

I may not be the best out there, but I'm certainly not the worst, weather I bring LRMs, laservomit, or something else.

Yesterday, I was bullied, berated and laughed at by a 7 or 8-man of a particular Smoke Jag unit I dropped FP with. They would not stop bullying me verbally the whole match o both chat and Voip. They treated me unbelievably mean, even evil, and got reported for their trouble.

I actually did pretty well, considering that it was basically me against the world..

And why? Cose' I would not let them run my game for me. Yes. I brought LRMs. The builds and mechs I'm good with, and that give me the best results of my MWO career. But this was not enough for these bullies.

So I said to my self "flack em'".

I asked them to stop repeatedly.. this only seemed to spur them on..

Reports were sent in.

I do not care how good you think you are, actually are, or aren't.

It DOES NOT give anyone the right to be a bully.

it DOES NOT give you the right to tell me what to bring.

It DOES NOT give you the right to treat me with disrespect.

It DOES NOT give you the right to run my game for me.

When and if I ever get to Tier 1, I will still be bringing LRMs. And Laservomit. And whatever the hell I want. And everybody else has absolutely no say in it.

Get over it.

Its MY GAME.

[Starwulfe]

Quote

Its MY GAME.

This is intended generically since many hold this view.
You're right, it's your game and your right to do what you want.
However your decisions affect 11 other people on your team.
A proper view of liberty and rights takes how your rights affect others and if it collides with or harms another then it becomes your responsibility to self analyze and adjust how you exercise your right.

Edited by Starwulfe, 06 July 2017 - 12:12 AM.

[Thrudvangar]

Matchmaker is offline anyways, isn't it?

So tier1 or tier5 doesn't matter, the quality of matches and players inside these matches
has become very bad lately... must be because of all the summer breaks going on right now...

Group queue -> forget that if you're only dropping with a few mates... its horrible. Looks
like you getting all the chimps in your team, enemy team is full of korean pro gamers
(insert picture here)...

Also forget that damn meta, ppl should have fun playing with whatever they want if its not THAT insane..

A few restrictions should be made to avoid all that gauss&ppc alphastriking.

[Reza Malin]

Paigan, on 05 July 2017 - 08:54 AM, said:

THAT, turning all the variables of combat in one's favor so that ideally one wins without ever getting hit, is tactical play. THAT is the FUN in a tactical game.
If one does not have the mental capabilities to see that, then a tactical game is not suited for that person.
I suggest simpler games for those people. Like the usual respawn shooter or Doom or some such.

You are talking a lot of poop here mate. I think shooting too many inexperienced players has gone to your head. Your playstyle is not the most efficient because its the best, or most skillful. Its the most efficient when used in an uncoordinated environment like QP because it requires no support from your team at all. The fact you are insulting people with such a flawed statement says a lot about you.

Firstly, hiding behind cover in a meta mech build you probably didn't come up with, sometimes shooting an alpha of boated lasers is honestly not hard. It just needs a steady hand and can be learned in half a day. Its the reason so many players use this style, because it requires less experience and skill than brawling, and they can read all about it on the internet.

Secondly, you don't decide how or what comprises the fun in MWO. You might enjoy standing behind a rock, feeling powerful taking noobs side torsos off. Good for you. I have the experience in this game to enjoy finding people like you and dismantling them in a dirty brawl, because i win those fights far more than i lose. I admit, your playstyle does work out more often than mine in QP, but hey, it works for me. The satisfaction in brawling and killing panicking meta humping tryhards is underrated.

The most laughable part, is that you talk about variables so much, yet the biggest variable of all is who your teammates are, which no one can control in QP.

Edited by Reza Malin, 06 July 2017 - 02:00 AM.

[Chados]

The biggest difference in gameplay I observed was the transition from T4 to T3. That was not fun. I absolutely hated the puglyfe for a couple months and spent a couple three weeks bouncing back and forth between T3 and T4.

The move from T3 to T2 was different. It didn't feel like nearly as much changed. I know my play style has changed, I don't run LRM mechs as much as I used to and tend toward mixed builds or builds favoring ballistics and run midrange brawling builds more than I did a year ago. I don't know if that makes a difference or not.

[HGAK47]

To be fair its really not all that bad all the time.

Ive been bobbing around in a king crab for a bit, brawl fit with near max speed setup. Generally I get good / reasonable fights and fun matches. You can tell when a good team comes along as they are gaussing and ppc`g you from across the map before you have even spotted them and it never slows down from start to finish. Not at all fun when you are being totally outclassed. My mech choice doesnt help in this instance yes I will grant that.

As a King Crab I tell you there is very very little you can do other than position yourself in heavy cover and hope they come close in small groups so your AC20`s can smash them up close. (Thats presuming you cannot find a path of attack to get close to them, especially when your team will not push with you even when you call out where and when you intend to go)

When solo you dont expect to be able to influence too much of the battle, when against people working together with top meta builds you cant expect a subpar mech to do great but damn you soon see how unenjoyable being outclassed is.

Edited by HGAK47, 06 July 2017 - 02:17 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Vellron2005, on 05 July 2017 - 11:17 PM, said:

Its MY GAME.

No it isn't. If you want YOUR game then go and buy a single player.

[Vellron2005]

PhoenixFire55, on 06 July 2017 - 03:28 AM, said:

No it isn't. If you want YOUR game then go and buy a single player.

Yes it is. As long as I'm the only one that logs into my accounts, it is MY GAME. It certainly isn't yours, or anyone else's.

What makes you or anyone else think they have the right to dictate anything, or force and bully people around for not playing the way you want them to? That's straight up harassment and mobbing - a criminal offense in most civilized countries.

And if you want to bully someone for being different and not adhering to your little version of the world, go buy a punching bag.

Starwulfe, on 06 July 2017 - 12:06 AM, said:

This is intended generically since many hold this view.
You're right, it's your game and your right to do what you want.
However your decisions affect 11 other people on your team.
A proper view of liberty and rights takes how your rights affect others and if it collides with or harms another then it becomes your responsibility to self analyze and adjust how you exercise your right.

Yes, my actions affect others. True.

But so do others actions affect me. Who is more in the wrong? The guy who plays the game his way, and gets good results doing that, or the guy bulling the guy who does his own thing, while also being an asset to his team?

Why should I respect the teammates who outright bully me? Call me names?

If I only cared about myself, I would have simply disconnected (what I should have done, instead of spending 15+ minutes being verbally abused in spite of having good results all things considered)

I "exercise my right" by playing what is fun for me and what I'm actually good at. And hell will freeze over before anyone takes that away from me for any reason..

Playing a LRM boat harms no one (except the enemy, lol). If it did, LRMs would not be available to us. However, LRM boats are a part of this game, and until PGI says otherwise, people, including myself WILL PLAY LRM BOATS.

Regardless of what some self-righteous players say.

[DerMaulwurf]

Can somebody tell me how to get into this tryhard valhalla T1? The forums keep on telling me that it exists. But when I play, I only find more potatos.

LRM builds work fine (if you know how to spot for yourself). Hell, you can run mixed builds with lurms AND short-range lasers and still win more than losing.

Play what you like and do it long enough to get less bad at it.

Edited by DerMaulwurf, 06 July 2017 - 04:46 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Vellron2005, on 06 July 2017 - 04:25 AM, said:

Yes it is. As long as I'm the only one that logs into my accounts, it is MY GAME. It certainly isn't yours, or anyone else's.

What makes you or anyone else think they have the right to dictate anything, or force and bully people around for not playing the way you want them to? That's straight up harassment and mobbing - a criminal offense in most civilized countries.

And if you want to bully someone for being different and not adhering to your little version of the world, go buy a punching bag.

So imagine that we are both going somewhere in a bus. By your logic it would be fine if I put my a** an inch away from your face and f*rt a dozen times or better yet lay a few bricks. And of course it would be a crime on your part to dictate that I shouldn't do that.

[El Bandito]

Lemming of the BDA, on 05 July 2017 - 07:18 PM, said:

Tiers dont mean much. If you can get aprox 450 damage a match, win or loose you will wind up in tier 1. No matter what. If you play group queue and ride on coat tails you will still get to tier 1. Its just based on damage and winning. Win with good damage it rises lots, lose with good damage = or slight -.

I have blah stats. And my tier 1 bar is maxed out. I play group and solo, sometimes well , sometimes not.

Its just an exp. counter.

Nothing more.

You would be surprised at just how many players cannot do an average of 450 damage in a match. So tiers do work to an extent to keep the very worst from dropping too often with those who are on the higher tier.