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[Quicksilver Aberration]

Pjwned, on 13 July 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

Where are the better camping spots outside of the circle that aren't just as vulnerable to pushing and/or flanking then?

More than there are in the circle because most of the time the circle is a terrible spot unless you plan to push. That said domination definitely is more push/brawl friendly so camping is pretty freaking hard, which is the point, that's a decent objective if it prevents camping since that's kind of the whole point of objectives in no-respawn game modes.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 13 July 2017 - 06:31 PM.

[Khobai]

but you shouldnt need to play gamemodes like domination to prevent camping and make brawling viable

the problem is that the meta is sickly and cancerous. and gamemodes like domination were invented to try and bandaid the problem.

[Rampancy]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 12 July 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

It isn't conditioning if a majority of the game modes including conquest center pretty much around a central point.

It's conditioning. There's nothing that dictates you have to fight around that central point in any mode other than Domination.

[QuantumButler]

Old forest was infinitely better.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Rampancy, on 14 July 2017 - 06:22 AM, said:

It's conditioning. There's nothing that dictates you have to fight around that central point in any mode other than Domination.

Except as I explained earlier, there is for other modes like Conquest (and escort to a degree).

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Khobai, on 13 July 2017 - 06:54 PM, said:

but you shouldnt need to play gamemodes like domination to prevent camping and make brawling viable

Where did I say anything about making brawling viable, all I said was that it was easier to pull off in domination.
As for preventing camping, that should be the whole point of a game mode for NR, and domination does it better than the stupidity that is escort and incursion because it still leaves options for how you want to play it.

Khobai, on 13 July 2017 - 06:54 PM, said:

the problem is that the meta is sickly and cancerous. and gamemodes like domination were invented to try and bandaid the problem.

No, they were added because people kept asking for stupid things like objectives that mattered, thus how we ended up with Incursion and Escort (which are the newest). Domination may have its faults, but it had the right idea for what a game mode should do just like conquest.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 14 July 2017 - 06:53 AM.

[Rampancy]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 July 2017 - 06:49 AM, said:

Except as I explained earlier, there is for other modes like Conquest (and escort to a degree).

Center can be helpful, but holding center on a ton of maps doesn't do much for you in conquest unless everyone else pours into the center, too. It gives you access to all of the points, but you're vulnerable from pretty much anywhere if you split off to take one of them. It's EASY to play for center, which is why people do it. Not because it's optimal.

[oldradagast]

SamMaster, on 13 July 2017 - 03:57 AM, said:

I tend to agree here. Not all places IRL are optimal, not even in pretend shows or movies with battles do you see them in optimal situations always. Most often they MAKE FOR THEMSELVES the optimal situation, aka work as a team, find a good strategy, communicate. Those who complain they can't play their solo way, this is the wrong game for that.

I grow very tired of people excusing crummy map design, lousy visibility, or other trash decisions as "well, real life can suck, so the game should simulate that sucking, too."

This is not a "life simulator." People play games to HAVE FUN and escape the boring frustration, lack of control, and general half-baked and "sub-optimal nature" of real life. Yes, in real life, you can have battles where you can't see anything. In real life, you can easily be killed by a foe you can't even see. Great, lovely - but this is a game, and none of those things I just described can be considered "fun" by the vast majority of the population.

I hate Forest Colony. The visibility is crap, and my eyes and fading reflexes (pushing 40) aren't great at picking out tiny bits of movement through piles of clutter and scoring hits. Yes, that's "real life" - and one of many reasons why I'm not a sniper in "real life." The map design is overly linear and is cluttered with "roots of steel" that block your movement just as the "adamantium trees" somehow deflect all weapons fire. It's a frustrating map where you stumble around half-blind much of the time, watching your shots gets stopped by twigs as your mech gets snared on a pebble. Meanwhile, your 15 year opponent, hyped on Red Bull and using altered gamma settings, has no problems hitting you. It sucks to play and the design is trash. Now, I'm not saying we should make it an open field or some nonsense, but it needs serious work.

Edited by oldradagast, 14 July 2017 - 07:48 AM.

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Rampancy, on 14 July 2017 - 07:35 AM, said:

Center can be helpful, but holding center on a ton of maps doesn't do much for you in conquest unless everyone else pours into the center, too.

You don't have to be in center to hold center.......it's called projection of firepower.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 14 July 2017 - 08:06 AM.

[BaconTWOfourACTUAL]

Because leaves.

I don't know about you guys, but when I'm scooting around the forest floor, they get sucked up into my intakes causing slight overheat without a coolant flush.

[nitra]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 July 2017 - 08:05 AM, said:

You don't have to be in center to hold center.......it's called projection of firepower.

Ha .... if only people projected their fire power... all one has to do is run the back lines of what might be called a formation to see how few mechs are actually projecting any kind of firepower. hell a majority of them cant even see the field of skirmish much less project one iota of firepower towards it.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

nitra, on 14 July 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

Ha .... if only people projected their fire power... all one has to do is run the back lines of what might be called a formation to see how few mechs are actually projecting any kind of firepower. hell a majority of them cant even see the field of skirmish much less project one iota of firepower towards it.

Sure, in PUGs that's an issue, but balancing purely on PUGs is silly considering how inconsistent it can be due to varying skill and coordination gaps. Honestly skirmish is the best game mode for PUGs because they generally don't camp some spot of on the weirdest part of the map and most of them don't know how to play objectives properly and they cause more harm than good.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 14 July 2017 - 10:36 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Khobai, on 13 July 2017 - 06:54 PM, said:

but you shouldnt need to play gamemodes like domination to prevent camping and make brawling viable

Brawling is "viable".

[Yellonet]

Gwahlur, on 13 July 2017 - 04:25 AM, said:

Whoops, let me edit that

Definitely something fishy there. First nobody shot you while you were in the open, then that SCR somehow failed to see you even though your were pretty much right in front of it and then you survived in a BJ even though you shut down...

[Gwahlur]

Yellonet, on 14 July 2017 - 10:44 AM, said:

Definitely something fishy there. First nobody shot you while you were in the open, then that SCR somehow failed to see you even though your were pretty much right in front of it and then you survived in a BJ even though you shut down...

Yeah, shows how much attention people pay to anything except what they expect to happen every match.

People are so onedimensional in their thinking and approach to the game, it's really hurting the quality of play.

And if you watch again, you'll see I only took one ppc shot while I was shut down. Blame the other guy for screwing up worse than I did.

Edited by Gwahlur, 14 July 2017 - 12:25 PM.

[Ryllen Kriel]

PGI needs to bring back the cave system from the original Forest Colony. That was great.

[The_Dane]

Bud Crue, on 13 July 2017 - 03:54 AM, said:

Also no ewoks to squish.

Totally this.

[J0anna]

Forrest Colony Snow was one of my favorite maps. Yes it was small, but it was fun. Major pushes through the tunnel were always hit or miss (usually miss) but sometimes a single mech could get through the tunnel and turn the tide. So many great battles on that map, the current version is worse in every way. I prefer Terra or Polar to it, it's probably the one map I'll never vote for....

[Baba Yogi]

I can point out a good many issues.

Too much wasted space, map isnt well thought out. Too few places you can take to use any form of flanking maneouver considering how large the map is. Multiple chokepoints which is detrimental to fluid gameplay. Funnels the game into around single area every game, deathtrap tunnel which makes entire region meaningless etc... It is one of the worst designed maps in Mwo to be honest. Even the old one was better.

[Tier5 Kerensky]

Yellonet, on 14 July 2017 - 10:44 AM, said:

Definitely something fishy there. First nobody shot you while you were in the open, then that SCR somehow failed to see you even though your were pretty much right in front of it and then you survived in a BJ even though you shut down...

Stormcrow had two PPCs so he was probably zoomed in on his enemies far ahead and thus couldn't notice the BJ.