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[DjPush]

...for maps to go back on random rotation. So sick of playing on Grim Portico, HPG Manifold and Polar Highlands.

[Bishop Steiner]

DjPush, on 16 July 2017 - 06:07 PM, said:

...for maps to go back on random rotation. So sick of playing on Grim Portico, HPG Manifold and Polar Highlands.

amen.

Random map rotation is best map rotation.

Democracy rarely works, in politics or games. (because most people are just too dumb to be trusted to make choices beyond what brand of toothpaste to buy... and honestly that might be giving too much credit. They're either too ill informed to make educated choices, or those that do intentionally take advantage of the system. Anyone remember the colossal snoozefest map picking made of the WC?)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 16 July 2017 - 06:18 PM.

[Composite Armour]

I agree, bring in the random map rotation. But still allow gamemode voting.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

If we bring back random then bring back the option to blacklist certain modes, else let the majority rule.

[Coolant]

+1, and also more maps, and also bring back old maps

[Carl Vickers]

I stopped voting a fair while ago, sick of the mini game which is wayy to predicable.

Not voting is my way of going back to the old way we did things which was much better imho.

[Jettrik Ryflix]

Random selection would be great.

If that can't be done, at least make Escort and Incursion work on Canyon, Mining, and Bog (or get rid of the modes entirely). I play A LOT and only see Canyon Network about once a week. It's stupid.

[Vellron2005]

The problem with map voting is not the voting part, but the maps themselves.. there's too few of them..

Ofcourse you'll always get the same maps cose' from all the maps on offer, which is limited at best, only few are "crowd favorites", so you end up with clear choices, depending on your current build..

if there were more maps to choose from, those choices would widen, thus allowing more variety..

But as we all know, "maps don't pay bills".. many think that.. but I disagree.. maps are a huge part of this game.. and if you land on the "wrong map for your build" more often than not, like landing on Polar in an SRM brawler 6 times in a row, what else are you gonna do but stop playing and go play something else?

Making more maps should be getting a large portion of the dev's focus.. it may be costly and not provide immediate benefits, but if PGI wants to keep players interested in their game long-term, maps are the most important way to go..

You can make as many mechs as you like, but if you can only play them on 2-3 maps, it is going to get stale really really fast..

Edited by Vellron2005, 17 July 2017 - 12:14 AM.

[DGTLDaemon]

I would be OK with random map and mode rotation IF we were allowed to pick at least 1 map and 1 mode to blacklist (i.e. to exclude the player from any queues containing that map or mode). Until then, I will keep excercising my democratic right to vote against Terra Therma and Escort

[Lily from animove]

Vellron2005, on 17 July 2017 - 12:14 AM, said:

The problem with map voting is not the voting part, but the maps themselves.. there's too few of them..

Ofcourse you'll always get the same maps cose' from all the maps on offer, which is limited at best, only few are "crowd favorites", so you end up with clear choices, depending on your current build..

if there were more maps to choose from, those choices would widen, thus allowing more variety..

But as we all know, "maps don't pay bills".. many think that.. but I disagree.. maps are a huge part of this game.. and if you land on the "wrong map for your build" more often than not, like landing on Polar in an SRM brawler 6 times in a row, what else are you gonna do but stop playing and go play something else?

Making more maps should be getting a large portion of the dev's focus.. it may be costly and not provide immediate benefits, but if PGI wants to keep players interested in their game long-term, maps are the most important way to go..

You can make as many mechs as you like, but if you can only play them on 2-3 maps, it is going to get stale really really fast..

how is there too few? people anyways only choose a few specific maps, if we had more those never chosen would still stay never chosen.

just bring bakc random maps

[Oldbob10025]

I agree with you on that.. Voting for maps is not a good idea as like you said you only play on 3 maps. I think I played on Alpine peaks once this whole month and I play alot of games.

The mode is fine for voting

[QuantumButler]

Also please bring back old River City, Forest colony (+Snow), and Frozen City (+Snow) back to the rotation in addition to the new versions, lord knows the game needs more maps.

[Asym]

We discussed this issue in the past several weeks.

Random map rotation would help eliminate "boating" of mechs.... If you didnn't know where you were going to go and what mission you'd be playing, players might start considering "balanced ordnance layouts" vis-a'-vis Sniping only/Brawling only/LRM only. etc...platforms.

If you can't GAME THE SYSTEM, yo'd have to actually think a little bit..........to survive and excel.

Many of us are sick to death of the HPG, Tide, HPG, Mining, Tide, HPG cycle..... Good grief....week after week.

Additionally, forget about drop deck choice in PUG's because you'd only get the same results because upper level players have figured out the mathematics of this game a LONG rime ago and have created meta's explicitly for those maps.....

Want to really change competitive and daily play (and make the competitive players cry and moan?): create never seen, new maps for the competitve season that are only revealed when they get there, sit down to actually play (no practice time)........ I'd bet you dollars to donuts, we'd see some of the best teams fail because they only know what they've practiced a thousand times...... Gaming the system is easy..... Actually fighting, in an asymmetrical environment for the first time isn't at all an easy thing....

[Sjorpha]

Asym, on 17 July 2017 - 04:54 AM, said:

Random map rotation would help eliminate "boating" of mechs.... If you didnn't know where you were going to go and what mission you'd be playing, players might start considering "balanced ordnance layouts" vis-a'-vis Sniping only/Brawling only/LRM only. etc...platforms.

I want random map selection too, because I want to play on all the maps.

But the idea that it would reduce boating is silly, boating (or specialization on a single role which is what it really is about) isn't powerful because of map selection, it's just powerful in general, on all maps.

There is currently no map or plausible scenario in this game where you are favored by bringing a multipurpose build, it's just more effective to specialize.

If you want to be flexible and prepared for different situations the best way to do that in this game is to boat a flexible weapon system with decent range, not to bring an array of different weapons. That's just the way the game works, it's also how real life works for the most part, so it's hard to prevent.

[Athom83]

Odd... I see all of the maps regularly. Even Terra Therma gets voted for and wins a few times a day that I see.

And the thing wrong with the "random map" fanboy praising is that there were a lot of things wrong with that "random" selection.

[QuantumButler]

Asym, on 17 July 2017 - 04:54 AM, said:

We discussed this issue in the past several weeks.

Random map rotation would help eliminate "boating" of mechs.... If you didnn't know where you were going to go and what mission you'd be playing, players might start considering "balanced ordnance layouts" vis-a'-vis Sniping only/Brawling only/LRM only. etc...platforms.

If you can't GAME THE SYSTEM, yo'd have to actually think a little bit..........to survive and excel.

Many of us are sick to death of the HPG, Tide, HPG, Mining, Tide, HPG cycle..... Good grief....week after week.

Additionally, forget about drop deck choice in PUG's because you'd only get the same results because upper level players have figured out the mathematics of this game a LONG rime ago and have created meta's explicitly for those maps.....

Want to really change competitive and daily play (and make the competitive players cry and moan?): create never seen, new maps for the competitve season that are only revealed when they get there, sit down to actually play (no practice time)........ I'd bet you dollars to donuts, we'd see some of the best teams fail because they only know what they've practiced a thousand times...... Gaming the system is easy..... Actually fighting, in an asymmetrical environment for the first time isn't at all an easy thing....

Uh dude no it won't, people still boated just as much back when we did have random maps as they do now.

[Appogee]

I agree. I'm tired of maps selection being determined by Predominance of Potato Preference.

Random would be fine.

If they'd randomize the drop points too, that would be great.

[Wiley Coyote]

Carl Vickers, on 16 July 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

I stopped voting a fair while ago, sick of the mini game which is wayy to predicable.

Not voting is my way of going back to the old way we did things which was much better imho.

I'm curious about what would happen if all 24 players didn't vote during a QP match. Highly unlikely, I'm sure but would PGI have even taken this into consideration? Would a map and mode be randonly selected from the options available or would time and space simply cease to be?

[Admiral-Dan]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 July 2017 - 06:16 PM, said:

Democracy rarely works, in politics or games.

Until we get a better system it’s the best system I know. Randomness isn’t a good system either in politics or games.

[ocular tb]

Random map selection with all the original maps back in please! Bring back the old versions in addition to keeping the new versions. Yes, even bring back the old Terra Therma. I didn't think that map was that bad to begin with. The new version is just a hot mess in my opinion with reduced visibility and cluttered and restricted paths. But I'm willing to tolerate it if we can get the old one back. Same for Forest Colony, Frozen City, and Caustic Valley. This way fans of both versions can get to play the version they like at some point. I'm even willing to help fund it by buying full mech packs for each one reinstated.