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[Battlemaster56]

So I was wondering have anybody found a use for Heavy Lasers in the Medium and Large categories. I been experimenting with a few builds and I found that the amount damage I'm dishing out on others is just completely punishes me for attempting to have even a fraction of face time.

Also to note I been playing it with mechs with full laser duration nodes, and cooldown and some heat just counter it but still it feels underwhelming to use. So anybody found any luck or should I just drop them?

[R Valentine]

Other than the obvious heat problem. Heavy lasers are extremely slot inefficient. I have a hard time fitting enough heat sinks on the mech because I run out of criticals. They seem best suited to mechs with low podspace, yet plenty of critical space. The LBK comes to mind.

[RestosIII]

They're best IMO on mechs with lower hardpoint counts for a bigger punch, preferably aiming for legs or CT's of RAC builds. One build I've started trying recently that's hilariously hot is twin LB-20-X's and 2 HLLas on my MCII-2. Ton of forward firepower.

[Vitharr]

I like HLL on the adder as you have few hardpoints. People ignore them so face time isn't an issue if you are escorting the assaults.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Move this from the other less viewed double post:

I use a single Heavy Large Laser and 4 x Heavy Medium Lasers backed up by a few ER SLs to deal with light mechs on my Red Line. It works pretty well so far but I am really not sure that the added alpha is better than the faster cooldowns on my previous LPL, 4 x ER ML set up. Also on the previous set up I had more range so there is that as well.

I also set up a Gargoyle with 7 x HMLs and like 26 DHS and it surprising works rather well as long as your good at firing groups of weapons to manage heat.

Finally I did have a build on one of my MAD Mk IIs that used 2 x HLL as part of its build which worked fine. Changed the entire build on the mech though so guess it didn't work well enough hehe.

[Lil Cthulhu]

I've been having really good luck with 2 x HLL and 6 x MPL on an Ebon Jaguar.

[Gas Guzzler]

Consider use in any mech that used lpls and ermls and had slots to spare but not tons. Swap the LPLs for HLLs and add DHS. Also useful for low hardooint mechs.

Also... Cougar can mount 6ERML and 1 HLL with 19 DHS. A little hot but a 60 pt alpha in such a small package at 450 m cant be ignored.

[C4NC3R]

SNV-C 6x C-HeLL - 1260 DMG so unworthy heavy lazorz.

Edited by C4NC3R, 21 July 2017 - 08:16 AM.

[RestosIII]

Gas Guzzler, on 21 July 2017 - 07:55 AM, said:

Also... Cougar can mount 6ERML and 1 HLL with 19 DHS. A little hot but a 60 pt alpha in such a small package at 450 m cant be ignored.

You got me excited until I realized you can't do that with the STD package. Bah-humbug. Guess I'll just have to remember it for later.

[Wyald Katt]

C4NC3R, two in each side torso, and running with a shield arm? Or did you split 'em 1-2-2-1?

[Gas Guzzler]

RestosIII, on 21 July 2017 - 07:59 AM, said:

You got me excited until I realized you can't do that with the STD package. Bah-humbug. Guess I'll just have to remember it for later.

You can do 5 and 1 HLL though cant you?

2HLL and 3ErML wasnt too bad, just focus on heat in the skill tree.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 21 July 2017 - 08:05 AM.

[Baba Yogi]

Out of all 3, i only find Heavy Large Laser as good addition to clan weaponry. It does things no other clan laser can do, packs a very heavy punch for managable duration, decent range and low weight. It is actually really good on mechs like Shadowcat, that lacks hardpoints but has ecm and mobility to manage Heavy Lasers weaknesses.

Edited by Lordhammer, 21 July 2017 - 08:14 AM.

[RestosIII]

Gas Guzzler, on 21 July 2017 - 08:04 AM, said:

You can do 5 and 1 HLL though cant you?

2HLL and 3ErML wasnt too bad, just focus on heat in the skill tree.

Can only fit 18 DHS with the 5 and 1 HLL. Would prefer having some more DHS than that if I'm going to lose an entire ERML in damage. I guess I can fit a TC1 and a cAP in to use up the last 2 tons?

[Battlemaster56]

So far my Linebacker is uses 2 HML and 3 MPL, the only thing I find them is legging heavy mechs and backstabbing. It's just the face time I sacrifice is mostly getting me killed maybe I have to continue looking for more uses may also try the cougar build.

[Paigan]

If one compares the normalized values (DPS etc., for example here: http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/equipment) of the ERLL and the HLL and then looks at duration, slots and range, the answer is painfully obvious.

[King Kahuna]

So running a Linebacker with 2 HLL and 3 ERM with really good results. The key is using it to poke and get to cover for cool down. Love it so far. For me the way the heat, tonnage and crit space shake out this is a nitch weapon.

[Gas Guzzler]

RestosIII, on 21 July 2017 - 08:09 AM, said:

Can only fit 18 DHS with the 5 and 1 HLL. Would prefer having some more DHS than that if I'm going to lose an entire ERML in damage. I guess I can fit a TC1 and a cAP in to use up the last 2 tons?

Still.. its not bad. Once the other pods come out it will be even better

[Durnaxe]

I love having 3 heavy mediums and 4 standard machine guns in my kitfox. With the ECM and ams eating up a bunch of slots and tonnage having those 3 heavy mediums to make a big punch is great.

But I really haven't tried em on anything else yet.

[C4NC3R]

Wyald Katt, on 21 July 2017 - 08:00 AM, said:

C4NC3R, two in each side torso, and running with a shield arm? Or did you split 'em 1-2-2-1?

Nope, all 6 in group 1... just "Heavy Lazors Intencifies" by targets request. The rest of SNV-C are walking coldstorage full of beer and snacks. Toooo many DHS

[RestosIII]

Gas Guzzler, on 21 July 2017 - 08:17 AM, said:

Still.. its not bad. Once the other pods come out it will be even better

Once the other pods come out, the only Cougar build I'll be running is twin PPC's+JJ's+ECM. Just my own little Adder+.

One thing I REALLY wish worked out was an old Shadow Cat lore build I've been eyeing for a long time now. Didn't work on the PTS, don't think it'll work on the live server. Shadow Cat H: 1 LRM 20+A, 1 HLLas. She just doesn't have enough DPS to be worth the hassle.