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#161 SPencil

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 10:25 AM

View PostJay Leon Hart, on 19 July 2017 - 10:22 AM, said:

No idea, I just self censor some things out of habit.


If you try typing in {Godwin's Law} it automagically turns it into {Godwin's Law}. I'm curious as to what else triggers the magic besides the standard set of english swear words.

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 10:28 AM

View PostSPencil, on 19 July 2017 - 10:22 AM, said:

ggbud


Unfortunately, that doesn't trigger anything in me other than: Posted Image

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 10:29 AM

View PostMystere, on 19 July 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:


Unfortunately, that doesn't trigger anything in me other than: Posted Image


That's fine.

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 10:32 AM

instead of gg, i use a salut. just a quick <0 and im out. it shows the same respect, but dumbasses cant twist it to be sarcasm.

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 10:35 AM

View Postnaterist, on 19 July 2017 - 10:32 AM, said:

instead of gg, i use a salut. just a quick <0 and im out. it shows the same respect, but dumbasses cant twist it to be sarcasm.


But that's am empty cone of ice cream! Are you saying I don't deserve to get any? Posted Image

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 10:38 AM

Well, at least Bishop and Mystere have dropped any pretext of actual discussion and have moved straight to insulting those on the other side of the argument. I always consider that a victory condition for the other side. - gg

Edited by Suko, 19 July 2017 - 10:38 AM.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 10:43 AM

View PostYellonet, on 19 July 2017 - 08:30 AM, said:

As such, in my opinion, I'd rather say nothing at all than upset some people for no reason at all.

Then never speak again?

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 10:46 AM

View PostMystere, on 19 July 2017 - 10:19 AM, said:


I'm going to ask you the same thing. Maybe this time around someone actually gets the exact context:

So Federer should have refused to shake hands with Cilic then, right?

Almost as if tennis is a different game with different etiquette, eh? When viewed through that lens, a "gg" from the winner probably seems innocuous enough.

Another different game with it's own etiquette is StarCraft, which I played a lot growing up. There, the winner tossing out a "gg" before the loser is frowned upon, as the game basically never reaches it's actual mechanical ending condition before one player surrenders... so the winner is basically implying the game is over, without having actually won yet. Surely you can imagine how this might be rude.

Of course, MWO is neither of those games (and admittedly is more like tennis in that games don't typically end in surrenders) but surely you can imagine how someone might consider the winning team busting out the gg's a bit in poor taste? (That's without mentioning the people who certainly do say gg in an insincere manner.)

Anyway, personally, I assume anyone saying gg does so to be a jerk about it. I don't bother cry to my mother about how someone was mean to me on the internet, and don't bother remember their name, but I don't think "oh this guy's being sporting, how nice." At the end of games I throw out a "Good work, everyone." in team chat if we win.

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 10:51 AM

View PostSuko, on 19 July 2017 - 10:38 AM, said:

Well, at least Bishop and Mystere have dropped any pretext of actual discussion and have moved straight to insulting those on the other side of the argument. I always consider that a victory condition for the other side. - gg


Insult? Seriously?

How ironic that it is you I see doing so. <smh>

View PostKanil, on 19 July 2017 - 10:46 AM, said:

Almost as if tennis is a different game with different etiquette, eh? When viewed through that lens, a "gg" from the winner probably seems innocuous enough.

Another different game with it's own etiquette is StarCraft, which I played a lot growing up. There, the winner tossing out a "gg" before the loser is frowned upon, as the game basically never reaches it's actual mechanical ending condition before one player surrenders... so the winner is basically implying the game is over, without having actually won yet. Surely you can imagine how this might be rude.

Of course, MWO is neither of those games (and admittedly is more like tennis in that games don't typically end in surrenders) but surely you can imagine how someone might consider the winning team busting out the gg's a bit in poor taste? (That's without mentioning the people who certainly do say gg in an insincere manner.)

Anyway, personally, I assume anyone saying gg does so to be a jerk about it. I don't bother cry to my mother about how someone was mean to me on the internet, and don't bother remember their name, but I don't think "oh this guy's being sporting, how nice." At the end of games I throw out a "Good work, everyone." in team chat if we win.


There's just one problem:

View PostMystere, on 19 July 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

Sigh!

For the last 7 pages (and counting) we have been telling people exactly what we mean when we say "gg". And yet, the impression I am getting is that a number are refusing to accept it. <smh>

Edited by Mystere, 19 July 2017 - 10:53 AM.


#170 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 11:11 AM

View PostSPencil, on 19 July 2017 - 10:16 AM, said:

I've read the first and last pages so far.

In summary: gg

*triggered*

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 11:12 AM

Ok seriously, if you Roflstomp an opposing team, and you All Chat GG, you KNOW how that's perceived by the other team.

0% of that team is going to go "Cheerio good chap, it indeed was a fine exchange of light and ballistical mayhem, I look forward to our next heated exchange with intensity!"

Most of them will go. "You inflated, un-empathetic, misanthrope, how dare you lay waste to the term "Good" by suggesting that was a fair bit of fisticuffs? You likely would have a better fight between a 3rd tier black belt in martial arts and a nest of quadriplegic baby seals! You utter void of empathy!"

You wipe the floor with the other team, you might get away with GG to your own team, but saying it to your opponent after hitting them with a curbstomp hurricane might as well be a spit to the face. I'd even call it unsporting. They don't need to be reminded they were trounced.

If it's close, and you GG, that's certainly a sign of endearment, an extension of gratitude for a challenge, win or lose. The endearment should come from the losers anyway. That's the etiquette. If you win, respond in kind if you are responded to, otherwise, say nothing. Lest you be arrogant.

In any sense, context matters. When and how you drop that GG and to whom is perceived in a context, and that context has no body language or expression. The person is left to their own devices what you meant. If you routinely drop language without any intent of learning how that language is largely interpreted, you are intentionally avoiding making yourself clear, and more or less decide backlash and offense taken is not a problem when you speak.

That's certainly fine, Offense is always taken. Not given. But, if you say something a ton of times, to a populous, and they ALWAYS have an adverse reaction, it might be a good idea to adjust your behavior? No?

Edited by Basilisk222, 19 July 2017 - 11:16 AM.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 11:31 AM

I always say "gg" at the end of the match. I frankly don't give a **** how the other people take it. Shake my hand or don't.

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 11:42 AM

gg

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 11:42 AM

Out of all the things to be upset over, people actually get upset over saying "gg" after a loss? Seriously?

This is the ultimate in snowflakery.

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 11:44 AM

View PostMatt2496, on 19 July 2017 - 11:42 AM, said:

Out of all the things to be upset over, people actually get upset over saying "gg" after a loss? Seriously?

This is the ultimate in snowflake thread of the year material.


FTFY

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 11:44 AM

I sincerely lament the apparent dying of that all-important and community-salvaging handshake at the end of the match (like in tennis, soccer, football, and pretty much EVERY other game where you see your opponent face to face. If "gg" has been so bastardized and ruined by the "internet wonders", then it is high time to make a "handshake after the match" equivalent.

In the decent world outside the internet, a player was recently heavily fined at Wimbeldon for being an unsportsman-like *****. Who knew that outside the cesspool of un-checked adolescent hormones and instant-courage anonymity decency is still valued?...

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 11:47 AM

Not sure if I respect the people less who whine about it, or the people who whine about the people who whine about it.

Do as you do, and ignore trolls is the key to being an adult. That simple rule makes this entire thread moot.

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 11:51 AM

Freedom of speech is a B***H that way.... If you value your freedom to be sincere and say "GG" at the end of a match that is your right and you're free to do so. However do not expect everyone to be nice just because you are. They have the freedom to express whatever they like as well as you do and expecting them to stay silent simply because their opinion isn't all rainbows and sunshine is disrespectful to the very idea of freedom of speech in general.

NEWS FLASH.... Not everyone is nice and not everyone gives 1 or 2 rips about you or your feelings. Its called the "real" world and here the hero gets kicked in the junk as often as not.

We've all been guilty of expressing frustration in less that constructive ways at some point in our lives, some more often than others for sure. MWO is just a game and anything anyone says about it either here on the forums or in game DOES NOT MATTER... Don't go all snowflake and melt under a little heat, just buff them off and move on.

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 11:53 AM

View PostMystere, on 19 July 2017 - 10:19 AM, said:


I'm going to ask you the same thing. Maybe this time around someone actually gets the exact context:



No, of course not. If the loser wants to congratulate the winner then there is no reason not to reciprocate. I said that.

In any case, do you think they'd treat one another the same if the match was private, not administered by a governing body, sponsorships weren't on the line etc.

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 11:56 AM

View PostCryll Ankiseth, on 19 July 2017 - 11:46 AM, said:

I've been waiting 4+ years for this thread.

And I have not been disappointed.

Thank you OP.


You've been waiting for 4+ years? Where have you been? I've seen this before and the previous ones dwarf the size of this one -- for now anyway.





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