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[Bishop Steiner]

Jay Leon Hart, on 20 July 2017 - 09:13 AM, said:

To simply assume the person saying "GG" is being friendly is to be naive.

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No, I don't believe that statement, but it holds as much weight as yours.

How I take "GG" is, as noted, highly contextual. This is a problem for some people, for some reason.

#GetOverIt

Then you missed the point of the statement...which is to assume ANYTHING based off of it is folly. We have seen those claim it is mocking. Those who claim good sportsmanship.

Fact is? You generally DON'T KNOW WHICH IT IS.

Thus to assume it is mocking and negative? That's on you, and maybe it's time for some self evaluation instead of blaming all your perceived woes on the "faults" of others.

Suko, on 20 July 2017 - 09:26 AM, said:

oddly Ironic...since as has been demonstrated amply... the same can be said about your interpretation of "GG".

Oops.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 July 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

Then you missed the point of the statement...which is to assume ANYTHING based off of it is folly. We have seen those claim it is mocking. Those who claim good sportsmanship.

Fact is? You generally DON'T KNOW WHICH IT IS.

Agreed, we don't. So why are people still arguing the toss?

Bishop Steiner, on 20 July 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

Thus to assume it is mocking and negative? That's on you, and maybe it's time for some self evaluation instead of blaming all your perceived woes on the "faults" of others.

Methinks someone is projecting

[Bishop Steiner]

Jay Leon Hart, on 20 July 2017 - 09:49 AM, said:

Agreed, we don't. So why are people still arguing the toss?

Got to ask the SJWs who are trying to legislate 'Internet Gameplay Morality" to fit their safe room special snowflake perception.

I'm mostly here dropping truth bombs on SJWs like it's Operation Desert Storm all over again. Largely because it's hilarious to watch the countercrying.

[SPencil]

Arnold The Governator, on 19 July 2017 - 01:48 PM, said:

On topic for a second, what's the real issue with gg?

[Bishop Steiner]

SPencil, on 20 July 2017 - 10:08 AM, said:

On topic for a second, what's the real issue with gg?

Perception.

Some people of apparent thin skin/fragile egos/low self esteem appear to believe that any instance of it being posted unless it was a 12-11 perfect match is an intentional insult on their play capability and is bad and should stop.

I believe the term is "projection"?

[SPencil]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 July 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

Perception.

Some people of apparent thin skin/fragile egos/low self esteem appear to believe that any instance of it being posted unless it was a 12-11 perfect match is an intentional insult on their play capability and is bad and should stop.

I believe the term is "projection"?

So it comes down to how one two letter string can be interpreted by many different people based in varying contexts in explicit situations?

...it took us 14 pages to get here?

Edited by SPencil, 20 July 2017 - 10:26 AM.

[Suko]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 July 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

oddly Ironic...since as has been demonstrated amply... the same can be said about your interpretation of "GG".

Oops.

It's so convenient and easy to say "Shows a lot about you", but that's a hollow argument and you know it. Or, more than likely, you don't, since you seem to use it against many on this thread as well. The statement proves nothing or identifies no fallacies of the other side. All it does is try to demonize the opposition, which if that's your argument tactic, there's no real argument at all.

It is literally one aspect of THOUSANDS and maybe MILLIONS of factors that form one's belief. To distill an entire persons history/experience/belief/faith into "Shows a lot about you" is flat-out BS. It's a cop-out argument tactic that means nothing and is a prime example of an Ad Hominem attack. If you want to argue, do it without logical fallacies or go back to school.

https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Ad_hominem

[Jay Leon Hart]

SPencil, on 20 July 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:

So it comes down to how one two letter string can be interpreted by many different people based in varying contexts in explicit situations?

...it took us 14 pages to get here?

I think it *only* took 2 or 3 (and no, I'm not going back to check ), but people do love to argue.

[Bishop Steiner]

SPencil, on 20 July 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:

So it comes down to how one two letter string can be interpreted by many different people based in varying contexts in explicit situations?

...it took us 14 pages to get here?

more importantly... how people can project their own context into something that is essentially without context to begin with, then get triggered about it.

But yeah.

And I'm sure it'll get 14 more pages as the Offended/Triggered types tend to be resolute in their "Right to be Butthurt".

Suko, on 20 July 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:

It's so convenient and easy to say "Shows a lot about you", but that's a hollow argument and you know it. Or, more than likely, you don't, since you seem to use it against many on this thread as well. The statement proves nothing or identifies no fallacies of the other side. All it does is try to demonize the opposition, which if that's your argument tactic, there's no real argument at all.

It is literally one aspect of THOUSANDS and maybe MILLIONS of factors that form one's belief. To distill an entire persons history/experience/belief/faith into "Shows a lot about you" is flat-out BS. It's a cop-out argument tactic that means nothing and is a prime example of an Ad Hominem attack. If you want to argue, do it without logical fallacies or go back to school.

https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Ad_hominem

[SPencil]

Jay Leon Hart, on 20 July 2017 - 10:29 AM, said:

I think it *only* took 2 or 3 (and no, I'm not going back to check ), but people do love to argue.

fair enough; I'll admit I also like to ****-post and this thread was kinda perfect.

I dare someone to argue it isn't

[Bishop Steiner]

SPencil, on 20 July 2017 - 10:31 AM, said:

fair enough; I'll admit I also like to ****-post and this thread was kinda perfect.

I dare someone to argue it isn't

see! Someone gets it!

When SJWs go on a tear about how offensive the whole world is...the only sane thing to do is ****post!

Plus it's endlessly entertaining watching the mental gymnastics and contortions (or would it be more akin to a grand mal seizure?) people will go to to justify being offended at pretty much everything.

because of them, I reserve

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 20 July 2017 - 10:37 AM.

[Kaethir]

SPencil, on 20 July 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:

So it comes down to how one two letter string can be interpreted by many different people based in varying contexts in explicit situations?

...it took us 14 pages to get here?

Pretty much.

One of the big problems here is an inherent flaw in any text-based communication. While in real life it's (usually) pretty easy to tell when someone is being as a-hole with a gg-style comment due to voice tone, inflection, non-verbal clues, etc, in a text chat, forum, etc there are rarely such clues, leaving it entirely up to reader to place their own context.

That being said, I know a lot of people that play games of various types, and long experience has made me decide that it's generally better to take the high road and just be a nice person myself, regardless of the fact that I generally think people are being a-holes.

[Christophe Ivanov]

At the end of a match, I'll say "GJ Team" Which means Good Job Team. Or if we lose, I'll say "Nice try folks" no matter how bad things were. After all, it's just a game!

Now, having said that, if anyone takes any of this in a negative context, then I suggest you find another game to play.

Edited by Christophe Ivanov, 20 July 2017 - 10:43 AM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Christophe Ivanov, on 20 July 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:

At the end of a match, I'll say "GJ Team" Which means Good Job Team. Or if we lose, I'll say "Nice try folks" no matter how bad things were. After all, it's just a game!

Now, having said that, if anyone takes any of this in a negative context, then I suggest you find another game to play.

My 3 most common post-match comments;
#1 WP reds (good flank / ambush / what-have-you)
#2 Nice try! (our last 'mech nearly pulls a clutch victory, or at least gives it a good go)
#3 Smeggin' LRM assaults! ( )

[Alexander of Macedon]

Christophe Ivanov, on 20 July 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:

At the end of a match, I'll say "GJ Team" Which means Good Job Team. Or if we lose, I'll say "Nice try folks" no matter how bad things were. After all, it's just a game!

Now, having said that, if anyone takes any of this in a negative context, then I suggest you find another game to play.

Obviously when you say "nice try folks" you're being sarcastic and making sure your opponents know that they're useless taters who can't do anything right, you shitlord dog.

[dario03]

If you say GG and don't mean it as a review you should clarify.
I suggest saying something like

GG not a review
or better yet, shorten it to something like
"GG no re"

That should make it so everybody knows exactly what you mean and in no way could take it the wrong way. Definitely should work, trust me, don't bother looking up GG no re, just go with it.

[Jay Leon Hart]

dario03, on 20 July 2017 - 01:39 PM, said:

If you say GG and don't mean it as a review you should clarify.
I suggest saying something like

GG not a review
or better yet, shorten it to something like
"GG no re"

That should make it so everybody knows exactly what you mean and in no way could take it the wrong way. Definitely should work, trust me, don't bother looking up GG no re, just go with it.

GG no re?
GG NO RE?
GGNORE?
IGNORE?

[vandalhooch]

Aggravated Assault Mech, on 19 July 2017 - 10:50 PM, said:

And the fact that you can't see a difference indicates you probably never played sports anyways, so what do you know?

Player - little league, middle school, high school, inter-collegiate club
Coach - high school varsity
Officiating - high school varsity

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Am I supposed to be shaking my friends hand and thanking my sponsors after a casual game of squash?

Do you seriously not say "good game" to your friends when you're done? Are you sure that they really are your friends?

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Should i be bowing before playing catch? Lmao.

Is playing catch a competition?

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Nevermind that you're comparing sports to games- where "normal social rules" can be ignored as a process of playing.

Human-human competition is human-human competition.

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Suggesting rules of sportsmanship even apply is intrinsically suspect since there isnt really a single codified "right" way to play. The framework of MWO suggests competition, but at the same time you'll have people that defy this by bringing troll builds or that play hide and seek- valid forms of play unless they actually get banned for it. You ultimately cannot make a direct comparison to sport because so many elements are left ambiguous to give room for play.

Every match has two teams. At the end of each match, a winner is declared. It's human-human competition.

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In any case, if you assume we're all in competition, then it's more like traffic because you're not even interacting long enough for any show of respect to be meaningful.

The fact that you see being stuck in traffic with other humans as competition says all we need to know about you.

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Most people are ultimately just grinding cbills or xp, and many don't care whether they win or lose.

Going to have to see your research backing these claims.

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GGing some noob in a stock unskilled Centurion from the cockpit of your optimized MAD-IIC is like GGing the guy in the slow lane that's just trying to get home.

Sportsmanship is about respect, and respect is more than a series of empty gestures (they are empty).

They may be empty coming from you. Once again, that says everything we need to know about you.

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Deferring to the loser on how to proceed is respecting their right to feel differently about the outcome-

Since when does telling your opponents "good game" disrespect their right to feel things? Once again, use of the term is not a review or criticism of their skill! It's like you have a mental block in regards to the OP's main point. You seem completely incapable of understanding what others are trying to tell you, regardless of whether or not you agree. At least try to show us that you understand the words that we are using.

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if they don't care, that's fine! If they're upset, I dont think shaming them into "good sportsmanship" solves anything.

Shaming? If I give a "gg" at the end of a match how exactly does that shame anyone? Acknowledging that a competition between two sets of humans would have been impossible without their participation is shameful to one side?

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If they want to congratulate us on a win, then I'd thank them for the good match. I don't really know what you're trying to imply this says about me, because I think It's pretty reasonable.

Not saying anything at the end of a match is fine. It's what the vast majority of players do most of the time, including me. However, you explaining your reasoning and your choices in comparisons and analogies does give us a great deal of insight into your mind set.

Edited by vandalhooch, 20 July 2017 - 02:27 PM.

[vandalhooch]

JadePanther, on 20 July 2017 - 07:57 AM, said:

And they prolly have more to say to each other while doing it.. some friendly, some not.. while at a little league game u shook hands and spoke the words you were told to just like everyone else.. Whos got more sportsmanship? the kids doing what they are told, or the guys who do out of respect and competition.

Are you seriously comparing kids being taught how to be good sportsman with adults who have already internalized those lessons? Did it not occur to you at all that those adults were at one time kids who had to be told to shake their opponents' hands and tell them "good game" afterwards? Do you think young kids would spontaneously choose to do such a thing without having seen it modeled and receiving instruction from others? Have you ever even met a child?

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Like i've said its in the sentiment. Which is one thing that gg cant really express... it can only express gg.. And with nothing else along with it there is no meaning.. theres no smile with the handshake.. no damn my teeth are still rattling from that hit u gave me.. Theres no expression or feeling in it..

True. Which is why the reaction to the "gg" tells you about the person reacting to it.

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So many people say things here in thier own ways. It shows people may think whatever they think when they do GG.. But in reality its only what they think.. As everyone else will think what they will.. Without context or expression gg shows nothing in reality.

Reality? Things that happen online don't happen in reality?

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I'll take any words over GG for the most part as it shows more expression. Expression leads to interaction, then things grow and get better than GG and run.

True. Now, convince everyone who own's a cell phone to stop using acronyms and emoji's because words are better. Don't worry, we'll wait here for when you are done.

[MadHornet]

From replying to and viewing this thread, it seems making a reasonable and non-aggressive paragraph is the least popular option.