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[davoodoo]

Aggravated Assault Mech, on 22 July 2017 - 11:11 AM, said:

Comparing it to an AC10 is a bit of a stretch. LB20X is going to be hitting single components within 100m, and deals significantly more damage to unarmored components (should deal ~26 dmg on average vs. unarmored components if we extrapolate from LB10X). LB20X also has higher DPS per ton, and the shorter cooldown of AC10 actually works against it as a brawler since twisting off damage will drop your DPS more significantly.

If AC20 and LB20X had the same fitting, the advantages of LB20X would bring it forward in many situations. It is just outright better at swatting lights and shredding damaged mechs later into the game, for instance. Twin LB20X also has much better quality of life with lower heat and no ghost heat penalty. Even if easier fitting wouldn't make it a top-tier weapon choice vs. PPFLD, taking it would still be pretty reasonable.

Fitting is the primary barrier to its viability right now. Only the Annihilator can reasonably take it thanks to very low engine cap and ballistic hardpoints in each torso. Even even most Maulers would be sacrificing top speed. It's just straight up not viable on anything else.

I dont see it, only situation where lb20x would ever be used is to avoid ghost heat or to troll as ****.

pretty much the same way it was used by clans till now...

Edited by davoodoo, 22 July 2017 - 11:33 AM.

[Steve Pryde]

So long IS lbx20 and heavy gauss need 11 crit slots they're useless.

[davoodoo]

hgauss would find use even with 11 crits, the problem is 180m range...hell if it had at least 400m i wouldnt meddle with my misery so much

Edited by davoodoo, 22 July 2017 - 11:40 AM.

[Escef]

Steve Pryde, on 22 July 2017 - 11:35 AM, said:

So long IS lbx20 and heavy gauss need 11 crit slots they're useless.

I don't know if I'd say useless, but definitely sub-optimal.

[Quandoo]

Try shooting Gauss cannons with it, then you know.

[Scout Derek]

Escef, on 22 July 2017 - 12:20 PM, said:

I don't know if I'd say useless, but definitely sub-optimal.

Yep.

LBX-20s are... heavy hitting, but only if you get in range.

Otherwise you're wasting ammo on each shot.

[lazorbeamz]

Aggravated Assault Mech, on 21 July 2017 - 11:05 AM, said:

The problem with IS LBX is related to the cost of fitting it.

If it were 10 slots like an AC20, it wouldn't be bad.

Thats because lb20 is a straight upgrade 90% of the time. Better heat, much more crit damage and velocity. And btw it has better velocity then clan lb20 and better health.

Edited by lazorbeamz, 27 June 2018 - 01:54 PM.

[Quandoo]

You can shoot 2xLBX20 at once, you cant with AC20. So you have 50% less CD on one weapon compared to dual AC20. It's like 50dmg vs 40dmg over time. Adding human reaction time AC20 will have even more CD due to non perfect timing between two shots. And low velocity will make you miss alot, or spread damage without the benefit of brutal dmg when armor is gone.

On top, AC/UAC has more heat. If combined with lasers, you will see problems which you would not have with LBX.

LBX20 is powerfull, just don't shoot full armor mechs first. Or get lasers, burn a hole and stuff it with pellets.

Still 11 slots are to much, you can only mount it on few mechs.

Edited by Quandoo, 27 June 2018 - 02:14 PM.

[VonBruinwald]

Obligatory weigh in.

Mandatory viewing:

Edited by VonBruinwald, 27 June 2018 - 02:33 PM.

[Grus]

Garfuncle, on 21 July 2017 - 09:38 AM, said:

So those Scorch/MK.2 builds with dual LB20s are bad I take it from forum warriors? I didn't say that the IS LBX20 is good, it just works on one mech is all I'm saying. That needs to be addressed.

My scorch prints money. 2lbx20 4srm4. So idk, lbx20 working just fine for me.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Quandoo, on 27 June 2018 - 01:49 PM, said:

Try shooting Gauss cannons with it, then you know.

Only 11 months old? Necro harder!

lazorbeamz, on 27 June 2018 - 01:53 PM, said:

Thats because lb20 is a straight upgrade impossible to mount 90% of the time

Fixed

Edited by Jay Leon Hart, 27 June 2018 - 04:33 PM.

[BrunoSSace]

Lbx 20s are great when you are drunk and have bad ping.

[roboPrancer]

You are all actually insane if you think lb20s are bad. All they could use is 1 less slot requirement.

Or is this a troll thread? Gotta buff lb20s Chris! They are underperforming again.

Pay no attention to all those lb40 warhammers getting 4 kills a match or that silly lb60 anni with no ghost heat. Yeah they are literally the worst, buff small lasers pls.

[LordNothing]

Antares102, on 21 July 2017 - 09:24 AM, said:

IS LB20-X with 11 slots is nonsense.
So is every other LB-X including those clan versions.
We need a LB-X pellet damage increase.

problem with the lb is they have 2 sources of damage attenuation when most weapons only have one. dispite insanely long max ranges, the weapon is far beyond useless at that point.

i actually think we need to change the damage curve so there is an initial damage surge, maybe 1.25x damage when fired inside of 15% of the optimal range, this ramps down linearly to to the rated damage at maybe 25% of its optimal range. in exchange for this brawlworthy feature, you loose the max range (max == optimal, no falloff. only attenuation comes from spread).

Edited by LordNothing, 27 June 2018 - 10:52 PM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

roboPrancer, on 27 June 2018 - 07:09 PM, said:

You are all actually insane if you think lb20s are bad.

Compared to a Clan LB20X? Yeah, they're really bad.

[justcallme A S H]

Garfuncle, on 21 July 2017 - 09:25 AM, said:

The UACs give too much face time, and are burst fire so yuck. I prefer clicking once to fire everything with no ghost heat, with similar velocities, and same CDs. Then I can twist away to roll damage and then return fire at 4 seconds.

ANH, a 100T mech with average mobilty... Has too much face time? That is why it has insane armour quirks, the whole POINT of the mech is face-time.

And you expect an ANH to twist far (and fast) enough to not hit it's CT (which you can hit at most angles by the way) but then also twist back to be able to fire again within 4s???

Honestly some of the stuff I read

Edited by justcallme A S H, 28 June 2018 - 12:37 AM.

[El Bandito]

Grus, on 27 June 2018 - 03:19 PM, said:

My scorch prints money. 2lbx20 4srm4. So idk, lbx20 working just fine for me.

That's Clan LBX20. You know, the one that costs only 9 slots, and 12 tons, and can be equipped on ST death proof XL engine?

IS LBX20 is garbage in comparison. It is silly for some people to think IS LBX20 is good.

Edited by El Bandito, 28 June 2018 - 12:48 AM.

[Grus]

El Bandito, on 28 June 2018 - 12:45 AM, said:

That's Clan LBX20. You know, the one that costs only 9 slots, and 12 tons, and can be equipped on ST death proof XL engine?

IS LBX20 is garbage in comparison. It is silly for some people to think IS LBX20 is good.

oh you mean the IS lbx20 that dosnt spread for **** and can practicly put all it's pelliets into one section? Sinergises with IS SRM almost perfectly. While clan lbx20 spreads all over the mech at 100 meters? I'm sorry I didn't know you were talking about THAT shotgun...

[JimSuperBleeder]

I run 2x LBX20 and 2x SL on my K2, and it is by far, my most devastating brawler mech.

IS LBX20 is GOAT

[El Bandito]

Grus, on 28 June 2018 - 06:34 AM, said:

oh you mean the IS lbx20 that dosnt spread for **** and can practicly put all it's pelliets into one section? Sinergises with IS SRM almost perfectly. While clan lbx20 spreads all over the mech at 100 meters? I'm sorry I didn't know you were talking about THAT shotgun...

I dunno which is more pathetic--Your attempt at justifying such minor spread difference can compensate for all the benefits CLBX20 enjoys, or your misinformation on the actual spread properties between the two LBX20s.


Clan LBX20 spreads all over a mech at 100 meters? Lets check it out.

Here is Clan LBX20 at 100 meters vs. IS LBX20 at 100 meters. Pay attention to the paper doll. Basically no difference.






Maybe at 200 meters the difference would be more obvious? On a smaller mech? Same thing.

Edited by El Bandito, 28 June 2018 - 09:02 AM.