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[Chados]

Another point. Remember how we all went nuts when the first four Unseen released? I'd bet they were the best selling mech packs released, or close enough as makes no difference. BT fandom has wanted to see Harmony Gold taken to court over its treatment of businesses trying to release the Succession War mechs to fans for years. PGI and Weisman have thrown down the gauntlet and they're in a fight that's going to be long and nasty. They need the support of BT fandom to have any chance of winning. Litigation is seriously expensive, and it is us buying mech packs and MC that funds the fight. Whales unite: we need to support PGI if we ever want any chance of any form of the Unseen ever being Reseen again.

Edited by Chados, 24 July 2017 - 03:59 AM.

[davoodoo]

JC Daxion, on 24 July 2017 - 03:21 AM, said:

But as someone that has actually created things in my life.. To think that i could loose my rights due to inaction is utter BS. If i am the owner, i should be able to choose.. Shouldn't that be my right as the owner? I guess i'll need to go pay someone to even find that out ehh?

You dont care to sell those things, you dont care that someone else copied it and sells it.

Why exactly shouldnt you lose rights to it?? atm its far too easy to keep rights...

Edited by davoodoo, 24 July 2017 - 03:36 AM.

[Lily from animove]

JC Daxion, on 24 July 2017 - 03:21 AM, said:

I'll just end this right now, because it really went over your head..


"My guess, so lawyers get paid," was a joke.


But as someone that has actually created things in my life.. To think that i could loose my rights due to inaction is utter BS. If i am the owner, i should be able to choose.. Shouldn't that be my right as the owner? I guess i'll need to go pay someone to even find that out ehh?

dpeends on the country and it's laws.

davoodoo, on 24 July 2017 - 03:36 AM, said:

You dont care to sell those things, you dont care that someone else copied it and sells it.

Why exactly shouldnt you lose rights to it?? atm its far too easy to keep rights...

thats not how it works, you gained the right by making it, if no law states that inaction takes them away you hold them, thats how it is (depending on the country).

Edited by Lily from animove, 24 July 2017 - 03:38 AM.

[davoodoo]

Lily from animove, on 24 July 2017 - 03:37 AM, said:

thats not how it works, you gained the right by making it, if no law states that inaction takes them away you hold them, thats how it is (depending on the country).

I can use precedence of you not going after someone else as reason that you dont care about your copyright.

Just like when harmony gold would ignore pgi, then hbr would be able to use it in court.

How ******* convienient that entity can just sit on their copyright and do jack **** with it for decades besides suing other ppl...this is silly.

Edited by davoodoo, 24 July 2017 - 03:46 AM.

[J0anna]

HG doesn't have to win, they just have to drag it out for an extended time to break PGI and Hairbrained. Then it becomes "who has the deeper pockets."

PGI do this now - release a cockpit item, (like a legal pad with HG on it and a quill tip pen stabbed into it) or a decal and sell it for real money (only) just to help with this lawsuit.

Do it, Do it now.

I remember when FASA collapsed, I don't want to go through that again.

[meteorol]

JC Daxion, on 24 July 2017 - 03:21 AM, said:

I'll just end this right now, because it really went over your head..

"My guess, so lawyers get paid," was a joke.

Well. First off all, if you are making jokes on the internet, you should probably mark the as jokes in any way kind or form, especially if they aren't funny or situationally recognizable as a joke. In a world in which a considerable amount of people believe the goverment tries to pollute them by using chemtrials, i'm more inclined to believe people seriously think laws are done to make sure lawyers are paid than guessing they are joking about it.

If you make statements not recognizable as a joke, you don't really have to wonder if the "joke" flies over peoples heads.

JC Daxion, on 23 July 2017 - 02:05 PM, said:

Like i said before, it is just some legal mumbo jumbo made up by some Congressmen to increase the money in lawyers pockets

Especially if you use it twice.

JC Daxion, on 24 July 2017 - 03:21 AM, said:

To think that i could loose my rights due to inaction is utter BS.

As shown with an example before, losing your rights (actually, you most likely don't lose the right itself, just the procedural right to enforce it under most jurisdictions) due to inaction is needed to correct a structural imbalance that is probably existing in any legal system.

The claimant knows if, when, and for how much he is going to sue someone. The defendant on the other hand doesn't know if, when and for how much he is going to get sued for. This is a structural imbalance between parties in a law system that needs to be solved. The claimant has a massive advantage. He knows which documents he has to keep, he can stay in contact with witnesses he needs, he can gather all the information he wants and needs while the defendant doesn't even know he will be sued in many cases.

Losing rights due to inaction is a mechanism to balance out this imbalance between parties of a legal relationship. It ensure legal certainty after a certain period of time. While it maybe hinders you from enforcing your rights in one case (because you waited too long), it protects you from getting sued over something that happened 20 years ago in other cases.

If you can't see how this is not "BS" but extremely important, i can't really help you.

Welp. I broke with my own rule of not trying to explain law to people on the internet. I'll leave it at this for this topic.

Edited by meteorol, 24 July 2017 - 04:16 AM.

[Wildstreak]

Honestly, I really only want to know who the 10 Doe Defendants are.

Khobai, on 23 July 2017 - 12:41 PM, said:

blame the lawyers not harmony gold

theyre the ones behind convincing harmony gold to sue even if they have no case

lawyers dont care, they get paid regardless of whether they win or lose

Some do that.
I wonder if HG uses the same lawyers as PRR?

Spheroid, on 23 July 2017 - 01:01 PM, said:

They have no case. This is nothing.

If they really cared they would have filed a brief in Canadian courts years ago when project Phoenix dropped.

Sometimes in cases like this, the Plaintiff misses noticing the initial act.

Mechwarrior1441491, on 23 July 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

Maybe Hg is also sick of not seeing new maps or content in MWO.

Because they are waiting for the right new content to sue over.

meteorol, on 24 July 2017 - 02:56 AM, said:

All i'm asking you, and others, is to not make guesses over something you have absolutely no idea about.

When the Rumor Mill Flood has started, one person cannot stop the tide.

J0anna, on 24 July 2017 - 04:06 AM, said:

I remember when FASA collapsed, I don't want to go through that again.

If HG wins, PGI could, despite how annoyed it would make people, replace any Unseen Mechs with others.

[Adridos]

Lightfoot, on 24 July 2017 - 02:59 AM, said:

Harmony Gold only holds the North American rights to distribute the Macross cartoons.

Actually, they only hold the license for the international distribution of the first anime.
The designs, setting, later anime, manga, numerous movies are all owned by the Japanese with a shared license between Nue and Big West. Harmony Gold did successfully steal a few international trademarks for the series like the UN Spacy (not that is matters since all later Macross series use NUNS, anyway), but for the most part, they don't own anything of note.

[McMurl]

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For. ***. Sakes.

[Gosterro]

I would like to thank who ever renamed the topic, I was going to request that, and also thanks for not closing the thread.

Gosterro

[Novakaine]

Someone may hit on this before, but it bears repeating.
The only thing those trolls actually owned was the American video distribution rights.
Nothing else.

[Lily from animove]

davoodoo, on 24 July 2017 - 03:43 AM, said:

I can use precedence of you not going after someone else as reason that you dont care about your copyright.

Just like when harmony gold would ignore pgi, then hbr would be able to use it in court.

How ******* convienient that entity can just sit on their copyright and do jack **** with it for decades besides suing other ppl...this is silly.

well yes fitting laws allow you such an behavior. It kinda is bad as it could actually hold bakc proper tehcnologies that help everyone to proceed. Just because the inventor is,, "Meh it's just my toy and no one gonna play with it".

lets just hope HG loses so much and often that they go bankrupt soon and have to sell the licenses.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Yep, professional copyright trolls. Mostly they're a real estate holding company in California, and they use lawsuits over IP to generate additional income, because international copyright coming out of Japan in the 80's was seriously squirrelly. The only time they DIDN'T do this was when Microsoft owned the video game rights. They weren't going to fight THOSE deep pockets.

Harmony Gold, please go scuttle back under your rock.

[JC Daxion]

meteorol, on 24 July 2017 - 04:12 AM, said:

Welp. I broke with my own rule of not trying to explain law to people on the internet. I'll leave it at this for this topic

How much do i owe you?


Yes i get that.. But i really don't need to go into all my reasoning behind my thinking on why i think some of the copy-write laws are total crap and i say this as someone that actually sides with many of them because i think intellectual property is something to be protected vigilantly

Because lets be serious, Someone invests in something, but can't do it because of a law. Someone supports a candidate, they win, and all of a sudden the laws change and what they want happens. So that part was not a joke. Laws change, and peoples pockets get lined with gold.. It's been happening for a very long time.



So maybe you should rethink that, because we do live in a world, where people have been poisoned, and killed despite laws, Even if it did take a long time to prove it Companies knew what they were doing was causing harm, and used laws and corruption to cover it up. I'm sure as a well versed law student you had to of heard about some of these cases

davoodoo, on 24 July 2017 - 03:36 AM, said:

You dont care to sell those things, you dont care that someone else copied it and sells it.

Why exactly shouldnt you lose rights to it?? atm its far too easy to keep rights...

Because there can be reasons why you may, and may not want to follow up/pursue such a matter.. I don't really feel like going through all the possible reasons why or why not. All i'll say is it depends...

Edited by JC Daxion, 24 July 2017 - 06:10 AM.

[Mole]

Jesus Christ, Harmony Gold. Just die already.

[SMDMadCow]

ScrapIron Prime, on 24 July 2017 - 05:46 AM, said:

Yep, professional copyright trolls. Mostly they're a real estate holding company in California, and they use lawsuits over IP to generate additional income, because international copyright coming out of Japan in the 80's was seriously squirrelly. The only time they DIDN'T do this was when Microsoft owned the video game rights. They weren't going to fight THOSE deep pockets.

Harmony Gold, please go scuttle back under your rock.

I thought Microsoft still owns the rights and just licenced out the rights to PGI/ Harebrained?

[ScrapIron Prime]

SMDMadCow, on 24 July 2017 - 05:59 AM, said:

I thought Microsoft still owns the rights and just licenced out the rights to PGI/ Harebrained?

If they do, it will be Microsoft lawyers involved to contest this. I doubt HG wants that.

[Big Tin Man]

MechaBattler, on 23 July 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

I remember Russ saying during a Town Hall they'd set aside money for any legal shenanigans by HG. He also intimated they'd come to know something that might help them should that happen.

I recall that as well, and that was a deciding factor when I threw down cash for the Marauder and Warhammer. Legal fund cockpit items NOW.

SMDMadCow, on 24 July 2017 - 05:59 AM, said:

I thought Microsoft still owns the rights and just licenced out the rights to PGI/ Harebrained?

M$ owns Mechwarrior and the rights associated with that. Not Battletech.

[Pariah Devalis]

J0anna, on 24 July 2017 - 04:06 AM, said:

HG doesn't have to win, they just have to drag it out for an extended time to break PGI and Hairbrained. Then it becomes "who has the deeper pockets."

PGI do this now - release a cockpit item, (like a legal pad with HG on it and a quill tip pen stabbed into it) or a decal and sell it for real money (only) just to help with this lawsuit.

Do it, Do it now.

I remember when FASA collapsed, I don't want to go through that again.

HG isn't exactly stacked with money right now, either. They probably cannot afford to have it drag out too far, too. That said, it is one company against two, with a shaky case, and dubious legality of the ownership they claim to have.

I say go for the jugular. If PGI/HBS win, I would be overjoyed if they counter-sued. Not so much to destroy HG forever, but to teach them a lesson about patent trolling. Even if it didn't put HG under, it would make them seriously reconsider litigation in the future.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 24 July 2017 - 06:57 AM.

[Metus regem]

I think HG is going to have a harder time, since they got their teeth kicked in by Hasbro a couple years back by pulling the same stunt. One a second front, due to a Japanese court ruling, HG never actually had their rights in the first place, as they got their rights from a company that had no right to sell the rights in the first place. That came to a head when HG went to war with Big West and Studio Nu over Macross and HG lost.