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[Adridos]

Inappropriate1, on 05 August 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

This is in court. They can't discuss this. Let the lawyers handel it. It will likely settle. Stop trying to help. You are not helping when you make petitions and noise. For the love of God! Stop helping. You are making it harder on pgi and hbs.

You can't possibly ruin or make it harder for anyone since the whole point of courts is to select people who know absolutely nothing about the subject. Our influence is non-existent, otherwise, Harmony Gold would have lost long ago.

Also, we're getting that Delta movie after all. Considering what smash hits the Frotnier movies were, there's a chance Big West/Bandai could actually look into trying to have a bit of a clash with the people preventing them from releasing it in China and Southeast Asia.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Inappropriate1, on 05 August 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

This is in court. They can't discuss this. Let the lawyers handel it. It will likely settle. Stop trying to help. You are not helping when you make petitions and noise. For the love of God! Stop helping. You are making it harder on pgi and hbs.

I don't like pgi much but damn I don't want to hurt them in court. Now shut up and play.

you going to go tell Leonard French that? He's currently working on a video regarding this entire lawsuit..by the way he's a pretty well known copyright attorney..

and quite frankly, I'll put more stock into what he has to say than you. Keep your ear to the ground for his coming video.

[Mechwarrior1441491]

They should most certainly not settle. I would lose the last shred of respect I have for them.

[Juodas Varnas]

Mechwarrior1441491, on 06 August 2017 - 06:55 AM, said:

They should most certainly not settle. I would lose the last shred of respect I have for them.

Making settlements is what even got us to this ****** situation to begin with!

Fight til the end, i say!

[Alan Davion]

Inappropriate1, on 05 August 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

This is in court.

Have you actually read the documents man? This won't actually go to court and/or trial until September of 2018, and judging by PGI and HBS' responses so far, they're bullying HG right the hell back. In essence it's their way of telling HG to STFU and back the hell off or they will fight this thing.

That's literally the LAST thing that HG wants.

9 times out of 10 they want to settle whatever lawsuit they're flinging around and just make a little bit of easy cash cause they're just a parasite at this point. It's entirely possible HG wants to eliminate the Warhammer, Marauder and the rest, but they failed on that mark back with their original case against FASA and at this point they probably wouldn't be able to do that without then suffering physical attacks on their property by Battletech and possibly even Macross fans that live near them.

Right now the ball is in HG's court, so to speak. Their next actions will ultimately decide what happens with this.

If they're smart, which is questionable, they'll shut the hell up and leave PGI, HBS and CGL alone from this point on. If they can't, however, get rid of this 30-someodd-years old rage stiffy over Jordan Weisman and Battletech, well they're going to have a ridiculous uphill battle to fight, especially with PGI and HBS going after the fact that HG does not in fact own the art that they're currently claiming they do.

[Dee Eight]

That they lost a few years ago, in a US court, having their suit dismissed with prejudice, when they tried suing Hasbro over the jetfire skystriker from the GI Joe/Transformers comic crossover that was only sold at Comic Con... that actually set a precedent that PGI/HBS can cite in court as part of their defence, that "similar looking" isn't protected by a copyright (which isn't even valid in the first place). Jordan also can cite the precedent along similar avenues, set when FASA tried and failed at suing Playnates toys over the MadCat copying.

Edited by Dee Eight, 06 August 2017 - 11:37 AM.

[Alan Davion]

Dee Eight, on 06 August 2017 - 09:41 AM, said:

Playmates over the MadCat copying.

FTFY

[Aim64C]

Inappropriate1, on 05 August 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

This is in court. They can't discuss this. Let the lawyers handel it. It will likely settle. Stop trying to help. You are not helping when you make petitions and noise. For the love of God! Stop helping. You are making it harder on pgi and hbs.

I don't like pgi much but damn I don't want to hurt them in court. Now shut up and play.

This is a mentality I have come to loathe. Not necessarily in reference to BT... but just the idea that people should put on their blinders and 'let the authorities/professionals handle it.'

It's not just lazy, it's a plea for ignorance and incompetence. It is the assumption that one is incapable of influencing the world around them.

True - our various bitching, here, is probably not going to have much of an impact; but the idea that we are incapable of researching and comprehending case law, precedent, etc... that's an appeal to ignorance. It's not just weak, but it's a desire to remain a passive victim in the wake of individuals and institutions taken as gods before our creator.

THIS is how the collapse of the Star League and Rome happens. People are surrounded by technology they know how to use and don't understand... then argue to remain ignorant of how the world around them works. I can almost guarantee you that everyone who thinks radio is a technology of the past couldn't build a radio, let alone a modem for communication between computers (and I highly doubt many of those programming computers these days even understand how hardware instructions work). Granted - we don't have to understand how all of these things work as individuals, but when you have people who have a whole career working in a box appealing to ignorance of the laws and social processes we live under....

That's how you get a rogue state sponsoring wars abroad and even going as far as to create armies our real military is later sent to destroy. That's how you get people who grew up wanting to do nothing but serve their nation... then get there and turn away in disgust with a greater desire to see -anyone- nuke the nation's capitol than to even collect a paycheck as a store clerk for said capitol.

We need a vengeful, meteor-slinging god to remind us all who the hell is in charge, around here. Our politicians attempt to turn back the tide with laws and decrees as if their idea alters reality - and we have a bunch of spineless, submissive apologists left to cast their votes like clapping seals in the doldrums of democracy.

[Alan Davion]

Aim64C, on 06 August 2017 - 12:47 PM, said:

We need a vengeful, meteor-slinging god to remind us all who the hell is in charge, around here.

An alien invasion would work nicely as well.

[Aim64C]

Alan Davion, on 06 August 2017 - 12:53 PM, said:

An alien invasion would work nicely as well.

No, the half of the population I already have the biggest grief with would be rushing to embrace 'the hybridization' or some such nonsense. Our politicians would think they could broker some kind of deal with the aliens and then suddenly flip the tables on them to come out ahead in the end.

Zombies would be preferable. They would still insist that one can't assume someone is a zombie based on the presence or lack of a virus and that we have to ask how they identify - but people have a more visceral reaction to being eaten alive that makes them shift away from idle idealism and embrace more practical approaches to avoiding seeing their intestines pulled out while teeth scrape against their cheekbones. Which is actually a fate I'd find fitting for a great number of people, to be honest.

But I'm getting way off the subject...

[Jay Leon Hart]

Aim64C, on 06 August 2017 - 01:05 PM, said:

*brain eating*

I can't help but notice you have the letters "AMC" in your name

[Valdarion Silarius]

Don't want to go off topic here, but Games Workshop is getting sued for 62.5 million by a small time table top shop owner.

https://spikeybits.c...8/conpmaint.pdf

I guess 2017 is the year of table top game suing. Maybe Games Workshop can lend a few lawyers over to PGI while they are at it.

[Lucifaust]

HG is a parasite. They're not in for a fight, and given their track record, they most likely want a quick, clean settlement so they can plan their next extortion.

Fight them any way you can.

[Requiemking]

Lucifaust, on 09 August 2017 - 08:38 PM, said:

HG is a parasite. They're not in for a fight, and given their track record, they most likely want a quick, clean settlement so they can plan their next extortion.

Fight them any way you can.

That seems to be PGI's attitude.

[Dee Eight]

Alan Davion, on 02 August 2017 - 03:09 AM, said:

FTFY. There is no Mospeada mecha, or Southern Cross mecha in Battletech.



That won't work either. Netflix has Robotech up currently, and you know HG had a hand in that.

Netflix yes...but Amazon Prime is positioning itself to steal market share from them, and they might want to license those Macross sequel titles to add to their own Anime options. They certainly have the money to pay for dubbing.

Edited by Dee Eight, 10 August 2017 - 12:14 AM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Arnold The Governator, on 09 August 2017 - 07:35 PM, said:

Don't want to go off topic here, but Games Workshop is getting sued for 62.5 million by a small time table top shop owner.

https://spikeybits.c...8/conpmaint.pdf

Wow, that is some Reddit / Tumblr levels of idiocy and entitlement, right there. GW are by no means squeaky clean, but my goodness...

[Kai Lae]

Didn't PGI basically say in response that "We are a Canadian company, canadian law recognizes the japanese court case, you don't own what you say you own, pack sand?"

Having read the complaint HBS is seemingly mentioned disproportionately which is maybe why this is the case, because in my understanding, US courts position is "Japanese courts have no effect or authority here" which is why HBS might be in a worse position.

[RussianWolf]

long drawn out case doesn't bode particularly well for PGI. They have to pay their lawyers to respond to everything filed in the mean time. That costs money. PGI has one revenue stream that we are aware of. HG has multiple. One thing HG may do is file a motion stopping the sell of disputed items until the case is determined. Given what we can see in the briefs, they could cut off PGIs revenue stream entirely.

Can PGI survive long enough to win? That is what you need to ask yourselves.

[Kdogg788]

RussianWolf, on 10 August 2017 - 07:06 AM, said:

long drawn out case doesn't bode particularly well for PGI. They have to pay their lawyers to respond to everything filed in the mean time. That costs money. PGI has one revenue stream that we are aware of. HG has multiple. One thing HG may do is file a motion stopping the sell of disputed items until the case is determined. Given what we can see in the briefs, they could cut off PGIs revenue stream entirely.

Can PGI survive long enough to win? That is what you need to ask yourselves.

I disagree. PGI has many more mechs on offer than the ones that are disputed. HBS has a Battletech product that is still in beta and due to this lawsuit doesn't even have an actual release date. I have not and will not put any money into Battletech until I know the full game will see the light of day. I haven't invested anything new into MWO with the exception of a minimal MC purchase a few months ago for mech bays and decals but that is for other reasons including having other games and the slow pace of real development.

-k

[Bombast]

Kdogg788, on 10 August 2017 - 07:36 AM, said:

HBS has a Battletech product that is still in beta and due to this lawsuit doesn't even have an actual release date.

That's not why Battletech doesn't have a release date. They're on their second rebuild project, which is why everything has gotten pushed back (First fixing stuff that an engine update 'broke,' second scrapping and rebuilding their multiplayer code).

This is also not the first time HBS has missed it's vague initial release dates (At least two Shadowruns were pushed back several months), nor the first time they've waited until 60 days or less before the projected release date to give an actual date.

At worst, this lawsuit is why the affected designs haven't been released in the Beta (Along with several non-affected designs).

RussianWolf, on 10 August 2017 - 07:06 AM, said:

One thing HG may do is file a motion stopping the sell of disputed items until the case is determined. Given what we can see in the briefs, they could cut off PGIs revenue stream entirely.

I'm not a lawyer, but I suspect it would take more legal juice than HG has to get a United States court to shut down a Canadian company.

Digital goods laws are weird, but I don't think they're that weird.