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Viktor Drake, on 31 July 2017 - 05:24 PM, said:

Very good point. I mention this stuff all the time when discussing Clan vs IS balance and always get told I am a Clam Apologist when I do. The reality is people either tend to forget, don't consider or neglect to take into account how hot most Clan weapons run. The result is that despite the additional number of DHS a Clan mech can mount the actual heat each faction is dealing with is about the same.

Uh, note the difference in time to cool off; that means the Clan mech is significantly cooler running.

Also, his figures are wrong; it is actually 6.94 seconds for the IS mech with 20 DHS to cool off, not 10 seconds (calculated and tested/timed).
The Clan mech's time to cool off is 5.80 seconds.

That means the Clan mech is able to maintain a 33% higher rate of fire.

[El Bandito]

Marquis De Lafayette, on 31 July 2017 - 11:35 AM, said:

Fair enough....I certainly would have agreed with you pre new tech. Looking at things now, have you tried the Orion VA brawler with an LFE? ....I haven't run it in FW, but heck of a strong brawler with it being much faster with that LFE.

I have Orion-VA in my IS deck with AC20+3xASRM6. It still moves slower and has less alpha than Orion-IIC-A.

Viktor Drake, on 31 July 2017 - 05:24 PM, said:

Very good point. I mention this stuff all the time when discussing Clan vs IS balance and always get told I am a Clam Apologist when I do. The reality is people either tend to forget, don't consider or neglect to take into account how hot most Clan weapons run. The result is that despite the additional number of DHS a Clan mech can mount the actual heat each faction is dealing with is about the same.

Then Clan apologists have no right to ***** about Clan weapons running hotter since heat is the same thanks to CDHS. Clans still got range and damage advantage.

Edited by El Bandito, 31 July 2017 - 07:06 PM.

[Dago Red]

Luminis, on 31 July 2017 - 01:21 PM, said:

Yes, but it has changed either side's capabilities to play to these strengths.

With perfect execution you may be onto something but when herding cats the behavior most people default to favors clans. An effective charge takes coordination and balls and those two things are often lacking if any pugs are involved.

That and a truly well setup clan firing line makes it damn hard to get to fight with enough of your mech left to execute a mosh pit.

Edited by Dago Red, 01 August 2017 - 05:47 AM.

[mogs01gt]

nope, IS mechs are still weak.