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[ingramli]

Antares102, on 04 August 2017 - 06:55 AM, said:

Sorry, but thats abyssmal. You have to have 60 FPS for proper playing.
I started playing MWO on my notebook where I had about 30 FPS.
When I switched to a new computer and consistently had 60 FPS I became twice as good (hitting stuff) just by the improved FPS. I got another factor of two when adjusting my mouse sensitivity to "proper" levels.

Just do a simple test in training ground. Circle one of the dummy mechs and when you see its torso from the front you HAVE TO be able to stay on the center torso with your reticle as long as your torso yaw allows it. If you cannot do adjust your settings till you can.
Then try the same thing with a friend moving around and facing you without shooting.
If you cannot keep your reticle on the same spot all the time you know what situations go south on you in battle.

20-25 FPS in a FPS game is like using a knife in a gun fight.
You are just not fighting on the same level as everybody else.

All my video settings are already at low. If 20~25FPS wont cut it, i guess only buying a new video card could bring real improvement......

[Ssamout]

ingramli, on 04 August 2017 - 06:59 AM, said:

All my video settings are already at low. If 20~25FPS wont cut it, i guess only buying a new video card could bring real improvement......

This game is quite heavy on the processor so unless your GFX card is totally out of date, you are more likely going to need a faster processor and more memory to really see the difference.. that usually means updating the whole rig.. so much fun..

[Antares102]

ingramli, on 04 August 2017 - 06:59 AM, said:

All my video settings are already at low. If 20~25FPS wont cut it, i guess only buying a new video card could bring real improvement......

Well the only thing I can tell you is that you need 60 FPS to have an enjoyable game.
How you reach it is up to you. 20-25 FPS is just torturing yourself.

[McValium]

ingramli posting your PC specs might help Tech-savvy players advise on improvements, especially when gaming on a budget

[ingramli]

McValium, on 04 August 2017 - 07:18 AM, said:

ingramli posting your PC specs might help Tech-savvy players advise on improvements, especially when gaming on a budget

CPU: Intel i5 6600K at stock clock
GPU: Onboard IGP <----i guess this is the problem
Ram: 2x 8GB DDR4 @2666
OS: Win10 x64

[McValium]

overclocking the CPU from the 3.5 GHz stock clock to 4+ will defiantly help, and yes sadly on board cards are not really suitable for running any advanced Game engine.

With mild overclocking and a decent graphic card you should be easily be able to run 60 frames with decent detail.
Results will depend on your budget for a card though.

[ingramli]

McValium, on 04 August 2017 - 07:27 AM, said:

overclocking the CPU from the 3.5 GHz stock clock to 4+ will defiantly help, and yes sadly on board cards are not really suitable for running any advanced Game engine.

With mild overclocking and a decent graphic card you should be easily be able to run 60 frames with decent detail.
Results will depend on your budget for a card though.

How much i would expect to spend for getting full frame rate gaming? Will a GTX1050 fit the bill?

[Khobai]

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How much i would expect to spend for getting full frame rate gaming? Will a GTX1050 fit the bill?

Even thats likely too much GPU for this game lol. CPU will probably be your bottleneck. Cryengine consumes crazy amounts of CPU resources.

But if you plan on playing other games you want better than a GTX1050. Its not worth buying budget graphics cards because they become obsolete so fast you have to end up replacing them anyway. Might as well just spend the extra money to get a decent card that wont become obsolete in a year.

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Well the only thing I can tell you is that you need 60 FPS to have an enjoyable game.

nah its still perfectly fine at 40-50 fps.

less than 30fps is awful though

Edited by Khobai, 04 August 2017 - 07:41 AM.

[McValium]

i personally wouldnt buy below gtx 1060, due to the fact they downgrade and pretty much cripple the lower cards to much.

The 1050 only comes with 2gb memory, while 1060 are available with 6gb which offers you greater performance (outside of all the other stuff that cut from the 1050s)

here is a rough comparison of the 2 cards
(i would definatly go for the 6gb 1060, even though there are 3gb version of it available)

http://gpu.userbench...1050/3639vs3650

[H i e u]

he have logical reasons. that is the way pgi do with this game "nerf everything powerful". if a skill (player) is too powerful to others, it should be nerfed, that is logical. actually i do not care, dont blame me.

[Bud Crue]

Also, consider sending a request to PGI tech support. Describe your rig, and if possible/practicable they will provide you with custom settings to optimize your performance. They helped my old toaster run the game at aroun 50 FPS, when my low setting solution was around 18-25FPS.

[ingramli]

Thanks for all input. I have done two things,

1. Clock my CPU and its cache speed to 3.9Ghz, and

2. took out my legacy HD5770 (which is a old 40nm card many years ago) and plug it in,

and then i find that the FPS dramatically improved from 25~30 to 45~60 in the testing ground. I guess i need to see more action in real game, but looks like i can bear with it for the time being, and grab a GTX1060 6GB when there is price cut (yes it is still selling above RRP due to people "mining" bit-coin in China.......), thank you for all the input.

Edited by ingramli, 04 August 2017 - 08:07 AM.

[Koniving]

Willard Phule, on 03 August 2017 - 09:43 AM, said:

Your first mistake was assuming there's any form of matchmaking beyond "first come, first served" going on. Those of us that have been here a while have seen PGI fail at matchmaking over and over again.

The only thing the "matchmaker" does is put teams together based on it's own "prediction." It "predicts" one to win and one to lose. The outcome of the match is what determines your rise through the different tiers. That's the way it's always worked. With the population the way it is, it is rarely wrong. Not hard to put all the guys with unit tags on one team and the ones without on the other.

That would be the ELO system.

It no longer makes or even bothers with predictions. It now pits players, first come first serve based on their "level" or "tier." Tier being a meaningless construct of "how many skill points you accrued which is based entirely on your match score on a win/lose basis." It's literally just "try to match players with this range of points."
And on average it goes a range of points (tier) up and down.

If the time to find them takes too long, it drops the point system altogether and throws players in to fill random slots. (This is especially true if your "drop" is instantaneous; you just stepped up to get thrown into a shitstorm.)

[Padillac]

For the better part of 4 years and every day after work I come home and spend 3-4 hours working on the fundamentals, working on new build ideas, and working with my team to be a more cohesive group. I've spent literally hundreds of $$$'s, and thousands of hours in this game to get as good as I am, and I'm barely good enough to compete in some of the leagues.

All of a sudden a filthy casual (you), who barely plays the game (we can see your stats), comes along and starts bitching to PGI about how unfair it is because everyone else is so good.

How incredibly selfish of you!

What you're asking PGI to do is essentially penalize me and other Tier 1 players because you are too lazy to seriously invest your time and money into this game like everyone else has done.

It would be the same as going to the world cup as an inexperienced footballer and asking Messi to walk the entire game instead of run because you were too lazy to train yourself and practice to achieve his level of skill.

This is a super competitive game with a high skill curve, get used to it.

Or maybe you should stick to playing Pac-man.

[ingramli]

Just had a game with the new config, the graphic is smooth like heaven. Hard to believe i fight with someone in such environment (or even better) for the whole year i played....this really make a difference....

[Revis Volek]

McValium, on 04 August 2017 - 07:35 AM, said:

i personally wouldnt buy below gtx 1060, due to the fact they downgrade and pretty much cripple the lower cards to much.

The 1050 only comes with 2gb memory, while 1060 are available with 6gb which offers you greater performance (outside of all the other stuff that cut from the 1050s)

here is a rough comparison of the 2 cards
(i would definatly go for the 6gb 1060, even though there are 3gb version of it available)

http://gpu.userbench...1050/3639vs3650

Yea dont go 1050, its just not worth it.


I have 1070 with 8gb and it was not nearly the price of a 1080.

[Brain Cancer]

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I have also refer to the meta builds otherwise i wont even manage to get out from T5.....

I drive LRM/ATM missile boats. I am so not meta, people keep trying to put a fedora on my head and call me a hipster.

Forget the meta. If you can't aim and move at the same time, you not only can't meta, but you'll be a consistently easy kill while stationary while failing at meta.

Lockon missiles and mobility is what you need, because you cannot into direct fire if you cannot fire when moving. Period.


This is the kind of game I look forward to every night.

http://imgur.com/a/Pqpkq

Edited by Brain Cancer, 04 August 2017 - 10:20 AM.

[Tarl Cabot]

ingramli, on 04 August 2017 - 07:22 AM, said:

CPU: Intel i5 6600K at stock clock
GPU: Onboard IGP <----i guess this is the problem
Ram: 2x 8GB DDR4 @2666
OS: Win10 x64

ingramli, on 04 August 2017 - 08:41 AM, said:

Just had a game with the new config, the graphic is smooth like heaven. Hard to believe i fight with someone in such environment (or even better) for the whole year i played....this really make a difference....

Okay, back home. Looks like we gained more information, some workarounds, etc. 20FPS would have made moving the mouse consistently and on target very difficult.

Another area to explore is your actual resolution for system and game. The larger the resolution the harder the FPS is hit. What resolution are you currently running both the game at and your system in general? What monitor brand/model are you using?

And OP, if you would edit your initial post. Do not delete what you have noted. You can highlight it all and hit the Strikethrough S, then double tap the enter key (new paragraph) noting that after review with other players, your initial viewpoint was that the game was running at 15-20FPS while using CPU built-in Intel GPU, which made aiming via torso twisting difficult. You have installed an old GPU that was laying around, allowing you to increase the FPS to 45-60 while also increasing your CPU speed, which has made the game much smoother and easier to aim with mouse and looking at getting a more modern GPU later.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 04 August 2017 - 02:06 PM.

[McValium]

And another batch removed. Please stay on topic and constructive. You don´t have to agree but insulting directly or indirectly is not an option.

[Alexander of Macedon]

Okay yeah if you were running at 20fps with one of those garbage Intel integrated chipsets things suddenly make much more sense. Apologies about my flippancy earlier

That said, if you're not looking to play anything much newer or more hardware-intensive an older 2GB card like a GTX980 would be more than enough.

Edited by Alexander of Macedon, 04 August 2017 - 04:56 PM.