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[SMDMadCow]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 07 August 2017 - 07:41 AM, said:

Except that picture doesn't make much since given that Gauss requires the removal of LAA and Hands. Technically every mech that has that issue SHOULD always have Rifleman/Jagermech-esque arms.

Or at least similar to the MCII.

[davoodoo]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 07 August 2017 - 07:41 AM, said:

Except that picture doesn't make much since given that Gauss requires the removal of LAA and Hands. Technically every mech that has that issue SHOULD always have Rifleman/Jagermech-esque arms.

Not necessarily, kgc also doesnt have laa and yet his arms are what they are.
laa or lack of it doesnt dictate shape of an arm, but elbow movement.

also only omnimechs remove laa and hand when wielding gauss, normal mechs are free to keep them.

Look at nighstar having both hands and gausses.

Edited by davoodoo, 07 August 2017 - 11:06 AM.

[Andi Nagasia]

Requiemking, on 06 August 2017 - 08:30 PM, said:

And the Shadow Cat.

a moment of silence for the Sad Cat,

[Quicksilver Aberration]

davoodoo, on 07 August 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

Not necessarily, kgc also doesnt have laa and yet his arms are what they are.

It is supposed to have a LAA they just removed it because it was easier than coding in support for crit-splitting.

davoodoo, on 07 August 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

also only omnimechs remove laa and hand when wielding gauss, normal mechs are free to keep them.

Correct, I meant to imply this about only Omnimechs.

[Lord0fHats]

I find it hilarious because you could put those all the way on top of the mech and the Maddog would still at best be middling as a mech.

[MadRover]

The Bandit has lower arm actuators mean you can fire idk 4ERMLs anywhere in front of you? The EBJ can't do that. Add to the fact the Bandit can use UACs or what not with energy weapons is it's key advantage.

[Lord0fHats]

You can mount the same number of ballistics and energy weapons on an EBJ with the hero and have high mounts.

This is literally the "I love the Maddog no matter how much it sucks" mech.

[MadRover]

Lord0fHats, on 07 August 2017 - 04:43 PM, said:

You can mount the same number of ballistics and energy weapons on an EBJ with the hero and have high mounts.

This is literally the "I love the Maddog no matter how much it sucks" mech.

The Mad Dog can track targets easier compare to the EBJ. The EBJ uses ballistic better than MDD.

[Lord0fHats]

Tracking targets isn't anything to write home about when you're guns are at the bottom of your torso.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Lord0fHats, on 08 August 2017 - 03:35 AM, said:

Tracking targets isn't anything to write home about when you're guns are at the bottom of your torso.

Tell that to the Supernova, the difference though between the Supernova and the Mad Dog is the Mad Dog just doesn't have the tonnage, hardpoints, or structure to get away with mounting firepower like a Supernova does.

[R Valentine]

Putting the mounts so low down is just asinine, especially given how high the Mad Dog cockpit is. It's at the very tippy top of the mech. Throw the damn thing a bone here. Not like anyone ever thought the Mad Dog was OP.

[Requiemking]

Kiran Yagami, on 08 August 2017 - 06:40 AM, said:

Putting the mounts so low down is just asinine, especially given how high the Mad Dog cockpit is. It's at the very tippy top of the mech. Throw the damn thing a bone here. Not like anyone ever thought the Mad Dog was OP.

tell that to the people that whined about the MLX-Hero.

[Lord0fHats]

Let um whine?

It's kind of stupid to be worried about Heros being the best variant now when so many already are. The Boiler is easily the best Supernova. Anything that can mount Dual Guass/ERPPCs is gonna go right to the top of the Meta ladder. The Ferret Hero is easily the best Ferret and it's not even out yet. The Purifier is easily the saving grace of the entire Kit Fox family. Can't say no to a 30 tonner that can high mount dual ERPPCs with JJs and ECM even if it's too damn slow and way to fragile for its weight. Those energy shoulder actually make it useful in CW and kind of fun elsewhere. That Mist Lynx hero's energy torso will probably end up the same.The chassis will still suck, but at least it can be brought in a drop deck as weight savings and do something useful.

But no, giving the Maddog some nice ballistic shoulders is apparently too damn much. The mounts are too high!mThe Maddog is just bad. It's really only good at two things; splat and lurms, and one of those things ain't much to write home about. Getting some high mounted ballistics ain't going to make it broken suddenly when literally every other clan heavy that doesn't have IIC in its name can already high mount ballistics.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Lord0fHats, on 08 August 2017 - 10:57 AM, said:

The Boiler is easily the best Supernova. Anything that can mount Dual Guass/ERPPCs is gonna go right to the top of the Meta ladder.

This is false, Gauss/PPC isn't really in the meta currently. Now, Gauss + Lasers and you would be correct but several mechs do Dual Gauss + Lasers better. That or is able to spam ERPPCs as that is another part of the meta (HBK-IIC-A, SMN, WHK-C).

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 08 August 2017 - 10:59 AM.

[Lord0fHats]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 08 August 2017 - 10:59 AM, said:

This is false, Gauss/PPC isn't really in the meta currently.

I must just be confused by the mountain of ERPPC/Guass Night Gyrs, Mad Cat IICs, and Marauders running around

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Lord0fHats, on 08 August 2017 - 11:04 AM, said:

I must just be confused by the mountain of ERPPC/Guass Night Gyrs, Mad Cat IICs, and Marauders running around

The actual meta takes PUG queue roughly 6 months to pickup the new meta because it has to trickle down from comp players. PUG queue is a terrible place to judge the meta for that reason alone. Gauss/ERPPC died with ghost heat change because of its inability to plug heavies and assaults without having to avoid ghost heat, combined with the max range on cERML being raised back to x2 instead of 1.7x, Gauss Vomit has made its return.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 08 August 2017 - 11:09 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Lord0fHats, on 08 August 2017 - 11:04 AM, said:

I must just be confused by the mountain of ERPPC/Guass Night Gyrs, Mad Cat IICs, and Marauders running around

PPC gauss hasn't been top since the skill tree dropped. The Night Gyr was probably the only mech whose most optimal loadout was ER PPC/Gauss.

Honestly, I barely saw PPC/Gauss combos before they linked ghost heat, but now there really isn't any question.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Lord0fHats, on 08 August 2017 - 11:04 AM, said:

I must just be confused by the mountain of ERPPC/Guass Night Gyrs, Mad Cat IICs, and Marauders running around

Since they combined Gauss and PPC ghost heat groups? Yeah, they're pretty rare. 2 Gauss 1 PPC, maybe.

[Gas Guzzler]

Jay Leon Hart, on 08 August 2017 - 11:13 AM, said:

Since they combined Gauss and PPC ghost heat groups? Yeah, they're pretty rare. 2 Gauss 1 PPC, maybe.

Even before that I would be surprised if I saw more than 1 per match, and it was usually a Night Gyr. Thats in the solo queue anyway.

[Lord0fHats]

Damn people are dense.

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The actual meta takes PUG queue roughly 6 months to pickup the new meta because it has to trickle down from comp players.

I don't pay attention to what PUGs bring unless its funny/really bad. There are still Comp players running Guass/PPCs. I've seen them, but that's hardly surprising. I've seen Comp players running Gauss Vomit for years even when it wasn't tippity top. The difference between the high end builds isn't that vast and the Supernova can't run Gauss Vomit on any of its chassis anyway so really we're just knit picking a technicality of the meta not relevant to the chassis I'm talking about.