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[Lucifaust]

Khobai, on 11 August 2017 - 02:00 AM, said:

because internal structure is way too low

internal structure gets destroyed way too fast compared to the crit health on weapons/equipment.

Agreed.
On that, buffing both internal structure and LBX effectiveness (only) would give LBX more utility.

Spheroid, on 11 August 2017 - 08:24 AM, said:

Through armor crits would fix that. MW2 had that in 1995. Also had an impact fuzed exploding canister round instead of a non-lore shotgun implementation. Again in 1995.

I don't much mind that they diverged from lore on this one. I like LBX shotgun. Wish it didn't perform sub-par.

[Shifty McSwift]

Spheroid, on 11 August 2017 - 08:24 AM, said:

Through armor crits would fix that. MW2 had that in 1995. Also had an impact fuzed exploding canister round instead of a non-lore shotgun implementation. Again in 1995.

Actually I am starting to think they should/could extend the life of structure points in general further, possibly adding in more info on targets and self when it comes to structure levels, and rather just leave armor as is or even scale it back some.

At first when I started coming up against atlases and the like, versus whom that an open CT means very little to what it used to, the structure toughness is so high there that it is the equivalent of a big fat chunk of more armor to get it to orange or below, I was a bit cranky with how unpredictably tough structure had become, but I think that was a sea-change kind of frustration, knowing it now, just makes fights with heavier IS targets much more interesting/scary. Haing that applied further could really be interesting, and add that feeling of more effect for critseeking weapons, which seem very strong but get very little real opportunities in game or have to work very hard to open their own opportunities to utilise the mechanic.

[Brain Cancer]

Again, I'd say part of the problem is how few things there are to damage once you breach armor.

I rarely lose a weapon before I lose an entire section, or even have ammo destroyed (never mind exploding, the 10% there is quite enough). And as noted, who gives a flying fig about CT damage, because you can't engine or gyro kill someone.

LB-Xs would have to do 5 equipment damage or so per pellet to actually have a chance of meaningful crits (and eliminate bonus structure damage, which basically is a "bonus damage to just destroy sections" bit that benefits PPFLD more) to internals. An LB-20X to exposed structure should be ruining things left and right, but generally all it does to me is maybe destroy one thing, before the next hit just simply destroys the entire section. Yay.

[Lucifaust]

Brain Cancer, on 12 August 2017 - 12:13 PM, said:

Again, I'd say part of the problem is how few things there are to damage once you breach armor.

I rarely lose a weapon before I lose an entire section, or even have ammo destroyed (never mind exploding, the 10% there is quite enough). And as noted, who gives a flying fig about CT damage, because you can't engine or gyro kill someone.

LB-Xs would have to do 5 equipment damage or so per pellet to actually have a chance of meaningful crits (and eliminate bonus structure damage, which basically is a "bonus damage to just destroy sections" bit that benefits PPFLD more) to internals. An LB-20X to exposed structure should be ruining things left and right, but generally all it does to me is maybe destroy one thing, before the next hit just simply destroys the entire section. Yay.

I'd have to agree.

If it's not going to work for its niche role might as well buff it generally so it can compete in armor shaving simulator online mwo.

[Calcite]

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but jabe falcon know ..

Edited by Dave warrior2, 12 August 2017 - 03:56 PM.

[Lucifaust]

I wonder if anyone is against the buffing of LBX.

[dimachaerus]

Think people are on the right track with the damage falloff, with increased damage up close. Or, if they wanna get really radical, use the splash damage code from ER-PPC's and make them a sort of explosive "slug" gun, while the normal AC's are more like an AP round.

[Lucifaust]

Bump to remind the masses that lbx should be buffed.

[Lucifaust]

dimachaerus, on 13 August 2017 - 11:36 AM, said:

Think people are on the right track with the damage falloff, with increased damage up close. Or, if they wanna get really radical, use the splash damage code from ER-PPC's and make them a sort of explosive "slug" gun, while the normal AC's are more like an AP round.

Yeah I liked the increased damage up close idea. Lbx spread causes LBX to be less of a threat at distance anyway, might as well make it more friendly to use in what it already does. Also, clan ac's fire more than one round so...it wouldn't be much of an ap round tbh, not for clan at least.

[Lykaon]

Increase ammo count,reduce cooldown.

This would at least make it an effective "sandblaster" and the lighter LBx class guns become very lethal to damaged targets with exposed internals.

This also has the added bonus of only needing an intern to edit the files

Cooldown rate from "X" to "Y"

Ammo count per ton from "X" to "Y"

Edited by Lykaon, 24 August 2017 - 01:12 AM.

[Brain Cancer]

Consider that your nutech LMG boater, for a few tons can scrub every piece of equipment out of a location in seconds- even if it doesn't destroy the location in the process.

By comparison, the guy spending 12 or so tons on a "critseeking" LB-10X would consider it a miracle of RNGesus if he so much as regularly critted one.

Does making LB-10X pellets better gear scrubbers seem wrong?

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Edited by JackalBeast, 24 August 2017 - 11:24 AM.

[Jun Watarase]

Lucifaust, on 13 August 2017 - 11:14 AM, said:

I wonder if anyone is against the buffing of LBX.

PGI is against it.