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[Roadbuster]

Wil McCullough, on 09 August 2017 - 05:27 AM, said:

juju did 750 damage and killed one guy while playing with his FOOT.

if that doesn't tell you that lrms are a skill-less weapon, i don't know what will.

If the enemy is stupid enough to ignore spotters and UAVs and doesn't run any AMS...yes, then LRMs work.
In anything above potato rank, boating LRMs is a waste, unless you have someone working with you, providing good targets.

No need to bash the weapon system with the most counters. If you get killed by LRMs you or your team made a mistake or didn't bring enough AMS.

[Admiral-Dan]

Hm, after seeing this video and comparing it with the normal playstyle of LRM-Boats I ask myself: “Do they all play with their foot?”

[Thorqemada]

Wil McCullough, on 09 August 2017 - 06:19 AM, said:

you're joking right?

this guy did 750 damage in a lurmboat aiming using his foot.

deep understanding lol.

You did notice that they lost?

[Wil McCullough]

Roadbuster, on 09 August 2017 - 06:29 AM, said:

If the enemy is stupid enough to ignore spotters and UAVs and doesn't run any AMS...yes, then LRMs work.
In anything above potato rank, boating LRMs is a waste, unless you have someone working with you, providing good targets.

No need to bash the weapon system with the most counters. If you get killed by LRMs you or your team made a mistake or didn't bring enough AMS.

don conflate the issue. lurms are terrible weapons, yes. they're also the weapon system with the lowest skill floor.

the only thing im bashing are the guys who somehow keep insisting using lurms effectively requires better skill than other weapons.

[davoodoo]

Wil McCullough, on 09 August 2017 - 06:19 AM, said:

you're joking right?

this guy did 750 damage in a lurmboat aiming using his foot.

deep understanding lol.

he had 1728 dmg worth of lurms, fired 1320 of them and did only 743 dmg with only 1 kill.

like i said, you can lob them blindly and achieve that or you can actually know what youre doing and get some decent kills and damage...

[Wil McCullough]

Thorqemada, on 09 August 2017 - 06:32 AM, said:

You did notice that they lost?

you've never lost before? he did 750 damage playing with his foot.

are you expecting him to carry his team to a win too?

you're kinda grasping at straws.

[Thorqemada]

Luminis, on 09 August 2017 - 06:29 AM, said:

I play LRM boats when I do play MWO drunk. Even made a threat about it...

And from that experience, I gotta tell you, either you're overestimating the mental capabilities needed to pilot LRM boats or I'm considerably more mentally capable when drunk than I ever gave myself credit for.

Some People get better when they get drunk bcs they calm down...dunno...i dont know you...maybe the different exposure characteristic of your Mech with the Suppression capability of the Lurm help your Team more than disadvantegous damage trades at the front?

[Wil McCullough]

davoodoo, on 09 August 2017 - 06:34 AM, said:

he had 1728 dmg worth of lurms, fired 1320 of them and did only 743 dmg with only 1 kill.

like i said, you can lob them blindly and achieve that or you can actually know what youre doing and get some decent kills and damage...

are you expecting something better from a guy aiming with his foot?

and 750 damage is kinda more than "decent" damage.

with your leaderboard match score for example, you're averaging WAY LESS than 750 damage a game. what kinda double standards are you using lol.

[Gas Guzzler]

Thorqemada, on 09 August 2017 - 06:14 AM, said:

By any means, the lowest skill ceiling sets the Laser Weapon - to use LURMS you need a pretty deep udnerstanding of the game, knowledge of the Maps, positioning, face so many counters that it has become indeed a weapon with the highest skill requirements!

I agree that you have to redefine skill for not only being pure Muscle Memory and Reflexes...but if you do the "World of Skills" opens up to you!

Lolno

[davoodoo]

Wil McCullough, on 09 August 2017 - 06:39 AM, said:

what kinda double standards are you using lol.

Glad that you asked.

You killed enemy by blowing both of his arms, 1 st and 1 leg while stripping armor of everything?? well then you ****** it up and i dont give a **** about your damage.

Ideal scenario?? 2 st, 2 legs or ct.
Not ideal scenario?? you stripped armor of things that you didnt need to.
Everything else is just skewing damage.

Also my leaderboard in this season, well im yet to play a mech that is fully mastered after last shopping.

Edited by davoodoo, 09 August 2017 - 06:45 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Wil McCullough, on 09 August 2017 - 06:35 AM, said:

you've never lost before? he did 750 damage playing with his foot.

are you expecting him to carry his team to a win too?

you're kinda grasping at straws.

He thinks LRMs take more skill than lasers. Of course he is grasping at straws.

[Yellonet]

davoodoo, on 09 August 2017 - 06:43 AM, said:

Glad that you asked.

You killed enemy by blowing both of his arms, 1 st and 1 leg while stripping armor of everything?? well then you ****** it up and i dont give a **** about your damage.

Ideal scenario?? 2 st, 2 legs or ct.
Not ideal scenario?? you stripped armor of things that you didnt need to.
Everything else is just skewing damage.

Also my leaderboard in this season, well im yet to play a mech that is fully mastered after last shopping.

Oops, someone getting mad

[Shifty McSwift]

The point is that I doubt you could reproduce the same results using your foot for mouse control in a laser boat.

If anyone wants to make a video of themselves doing so, it certainly would end the joke, but I doubt we will see one.

[Burke IV]

To the people saying LRMs are dead, its medium LRM carriers are dead because they cant carry enough tubes or enough ammo in the face of new armour and AMS. Spamlord LRMs seem alive and well.

[H I A S]

Thorqemada, on 09 August 2017 - 06:14 AM, said:

By any means, the lowest skill ceiling sets the Laser Weapon - to use LURMS you need a pretty deep udnerstanding of the game, knowledge of the Maps, positioning, face so many counters that it has become indeed a weapon with the highest skill requirements!

I agree that you have to redefine skill for not only being pure Muscle Memory and Reflexes...but if you do the "World of Skills" opens up to you!

Can you pls stop trolling?

Edited by H I A S, 09 August 2017 - 07:08 AM.

[Wil McCullough]

davoodoo, on 09 August 2017 - 06:43 AM, said:

Glad that you asked.

You killed enemy by blowing both of his arms, 1 st and 1 leg while stripping armor of everything?? well then you ****** it up and i dont give a **** about your damage.

Ideal scenario?? 2 st, 2 legs or ct.
Not ideal scenario?? you stripped armor of things that you didnt need to.
Everything else is just skewing damage.

Also my leaderboard in this season, well im yet to play a mech that is fully mastered after last shopping.

does it matter? like... really.

you seem to be completely missing the point that the guy did pretty damn well aiming using his FOOT.

lurms are the only weapon system that actually has such a low skill floor that that is possible. all talk of "lurms need skill to use effectively" goes out the window when a guy can deal 750 damage using that weapon system and his FOOT.

you can't get around that. 750 damage. lurms. aiming using foot.

[Luminis]

Thorqemada, on 09 August 2017 - 06:37 AM, said:

Some People get better when they get drunk bcs they calm down...dunno...i dont know you...maybe the different exposure characteristic of your Mech with the Suppression capability of the Lurm help your Team more than disadvantegous damage trades at the front?

I still perform worse than when I'm sober (regardless of build) and my sober self playing good builds most certainly has more carrying potential than drunk me in a LURM boat.

You can conjure up all the bogus explanations you like, the simple fact remains that LRMs are homing, lock-on, indirect fire weapons in a shooter.

But, you know what? Post a video of yourself piloting a laser boat with your food and put up a better performance than Juju did with the LRMs. Then we'll talk.

Burke IV, on 09 August 2017 - 06:51 AM, said:

To the people saying LRMs are dead, its medium LRM carriers are dead because they cant carry enough tubes or enough ammo in the face of new armour and AMS. Spamlord LRMs seem alive and well.

You're kinda missing the point of the threat

[Roadbuster]

Wil McCullough, on 09 August 2017 - 06:32 AM, said:

don conflate the issue. lurms are terrible weapons, yes. they're also the weapon system with the lowest skill floor.

the only thing im bashing are the guys who somehow keep insisting using lurms effectively requires better skill than other weapons.

So are all other guided weapons.

And what is skill for you?
Is it twitch-shooter action skill, PPC style?
Is it aiming skill, keeping lasers on a component for the burn duration or compensating AC bullet drop and projectile speed?
Or is it positioning and map knowledge, required for snipers and to have a chance to be effective with LRMs?
Movement skill for brawlers?

I find it easy to load some ACs, aim front at enemy and press button.
Or boating SRMs and play facehugger.
Requires no skill, just run towards enemy and press button.

Skill =/= Skill

Edited by Roadbuster, 09 August 2017 - 07:04 AM.

[Templar Dane]

Thorqemada, on 09 August 2017 - 06:37 AM, said:

Some People get better when they get drunk bcs they calm down...dunno...i dont know you...maybe the different exposure characteristic of your Mech with the Suppression capability of the Lurm help your Team more than disadvantegous damage trades at the front?

Better with a buzz going on maybe. But full on drunk? When I get shitfaced I wander off and run into walls, attempt to shoot down friendly UAVs, go out of bounds, etc

[davoodoo]

Wil McCullough, on 09 August 2017 - 06:54 AM, said:

does it matter? like... really.

you seem to be completely missing the point that the guy did pretty damn well aiming using his FOOT.

lurms are the only weapon system that actually has such a low skill floor that that is possible. all talk of "lurms need skill to use effectively" goes out the window when a guy can deal 750 damage using that weapon system and his FOOT.

you can't get around that. 750 damage. lurms. aiming using foot.

Yes it does matter... you lump all lrm users together with a guy who plays with his foot and did pretty poor for a lrm user, but you gasp because of empty number signifying fuckall.

Edited by davoodoo, 09 August 2017 - 07:09 AM.