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[Dago Red]

I fail to see what it brings to the table that a Marauder or Orion don't for the same weight other than being butt ugly.

[Bigbacon]

these things will get insta-melted by laser vomit alphas and PPFLD.... so wide and fat.

thing is more mechs don't change anything about the game unless it is something that becomes a meta-excel mech.

unless it is one of those few kinds of mechs, it just ends up in the heaping pile of mechs no one but weirdos use.

Edited by Bigbacon, 09 August 2017 - 08:06 AM.

[MadRover]

It won't be a game changer. The STs are going to be extremely easy to shoot and hit. It's main punch will be a right SRM/MRM (if you're brave) hook and I wouldn't really see this mech being anything other than perhaps above average (me being generous) because a lot of IS mech can do what the Thanatos can do but much more effectively. Sure there will be the ones who will play this mech because it will be fun to play with but in a competitive environment it won't be anything more than above average.

[Tordin]

davoodoo, on 09 August 2017 - 06:26 AM, said:

I dont think its fair comparison.
Uziel actually got decent amount of hardpoints for 50 tonner and they were also reasonably placed, but this thing here??
everything below cockpit and 4-5e is its limit...

Also, I think I saw a glimpse on twitter that they will look after aand adjust the Uziels hitboxes. Seems enough people brought it up for PGI to notice/ care.

[PurplePuke]

This mech is about playstyle. It's all about movement.

Gas Guzzler said:

"Yeah, no. ECM doesnt make up for lower/non ideal hardpoint layouts (the 4S has 4E and 2M... that is super weak). It might just be okay if it gets decent quirks. Not going to be nearly as good as the Nova Cat, but we all already knew that."

I disagree. I think there'll be some interesting load outs there. I also think some people will excel with the Thanatos.

[MadRover]

PurplePuke, on 09 August 2017 - 08:26 AM, said:

This mech is about playstyle. It's all about movement.

Gas Guzzler said:

"Yeah, no. ECM doesnt make up for lower/non ideal hardpoint layouts (the 4S has 4E and 2M... that is super weak). It might just be okay if it gets decent quirks. Not going to be nearly as good as the Nova Cat, but we all already knew that."

I disagree. I think there'll be some interesting load outs there. I also think some people will excel with the Thanatos.

The only way to excel with the Thanatos is that you protect your punch arm at all costs. For this reasoning it won't be a good mech. It'll be above average but not good.

[Valdarion Silarius]

It's not a clan 65 ton battlemech with an epic radar dish hat. So no.

[PurplePuke]

MadRover, on 09 August 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

The only way to excel with the Thanatos is that you protect your punch arm at all costs. For this reasoning it won't be a good mech. It'll be above average but not good.

Above average is "good".

Isn't it?

[Jackal Noble]

If it's not desirable, than why the hell was it pined for so hard?
Thanatos!! Ya awesome!! we want the the Thanatos!!
*Thanatos gets announced

"Blah.
Look at those hardpoints. Blah. Low slung, gonna be average at best"

It's called design integrity - gotta keep some.
Look at the art for the Thanatos, then look at the MWO concept.
If you are surprised, you're doing it wrong.

And BTW that mech is gonna be just fine.

Smfh at you people

[Gas Guzzler]

PurplePuke, on 09 August 2017 - 08:26 AM, said:

This mech is about playstyle. It's all about movement.

Gas Guzzler said:

"Yeah, no. ECM doesnt make up for lower/non ideal hardpoint layouts (the 4S has 4E and 2M... that is super weak). It might just be okay if it gets decent quirks. Not going to be nearly as good as the Nova Cat, but we all already knew that."

I disagree. I think there'll be some interesting load outs there. I also think some people will excel with the Thanatos.

Curious to hear what your definition of "excel" is in this case? Also not sure what you mean by "some people". Are you suggesting that "some people" can make bad mechs good or something?

JackalBeast, on 09 August 2017 - 08:51 AM, said:

If it's not desirable, than why the hell was it pined for so hard?
Thanatos!! Ya awesome!! we want the the Thanatos!!
*Thanatos gets announced

"Blah.
Look at those hardpoints. Blah. Low slung, gonna be average at best"

Well, battlemechs get hardpoint inflation. The Thanatos didn't get great hardpoint inflation. Again... 4E and 2M on one variant.

[CK16]

JackalBeast, on 09 August 2017 - 08:51 AM, said:

If it's not desirable, than why the hell was it pined for so hard?
Thanatos!! Ya awesome!! we want the the Thanatos!!
*Thanatos gets announced

"Blah.
Look at those hardpoints. Blah. Low slung, gonna be average at best"

It's called design integrity - gotta keep some.
Look at the art for the Thanatos, then look at the MWO concept.
If you are surprised, you're doing it wrong.

And BTW that mech is gonna be just fine.

Smfh at you people

MWO Community -" We only want mechs that offer something new to the game, to many redundant chassis and varriants already"

PGI- "Ok here is the Thanatos, 75t battlemech with large engine size, ECM, Jump Jets, and a variety of loadouts between the varriants"

MWO Community- "Not that! I can not run my tried, true and boring Meta vomits on that!"

PGI -"........"

Edited by CK16, 09 August 2017 - 09:12 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

CK16, on 09 August 2017 - 09:11 AM, said:

MWO Community -" We only want mechs that offer something new to the game, to many redundant chassis and varriants already"

PGI- "Ok here is the Thanatos, 75t battlemech with large engine size, ECM, Jump Jets, and a variety of loadouts between the varriants"

MWO Community- "Not that! I can not run my tried, true and boring Meta vomits on that!"

PGI -"........"

How funny that you yourself pined for the Mad Cat MK. II that literally captures every non-brawl meta to date.

And again 4E 2M is a TERRIBLE hardpoint layout. I can't wait to hear the MRM and laser combos that you suggest, because they are going to be awful. And a large engine cap is useless when an XL engine isn't a good option. There are 4 variants that are somewhat interesting, 1 in the base pack, the hero, and the 2 reinforcements. However not being XL safe is going to make it ahrd to make non-SRM or laser based loadouts work.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Gas Guzzler, on 09 August 2017 - 06:31 AM, said:

Not going to be nearly as good as the Nova Cat, but we all already knew that.

Ehhh, I don't see the Nova Cat being better than the Night Gyr either.

Gas Guzzler, on 09 August 2017 - 06:59 AM, said:

Its ironic that you bring up the Cataphract, that would be a better heavy PPC poptart than the Thanatos. Its just going to be "okay", not a game changer. Not MCII/Mad IIC/SNV good.

Thanny would probably be the better poptart. Sure it doesn't have those high mounts, but the Cataphract can't even use them well because the cockpit is in the middle of the torso (Jagermech syndrome). Not to mention it has more tonnage to play with. Both mechs suffer from having too large of sides though.

That said, no this mech really doesn't bring much to the table, the first variant is especially disappointing given the hero is still a straight upgrade to it. No variant that captures it's old usage in MW4 either, I miss the old 3 Light Gauss Thanny. Now that would be interesting, an IS 75 tonner that can carry 3 Light Gauss or 3 AC10s.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 09 August 2017 - 09:24 AM.

[Sixpack]

Gas Guzzler, on 09 August 2017 - 09:18 AM, said:

How funny that you yourself pined for the Mad Cat MK. II that literally captures every non-brawl meta to date.

I set up my 3 MCIIs for close to medium range fights with UAC20s, LBX20s and ATMs (depending on the mech). I think they can do brawl meta pretty decently

[Jackal Noble]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 09 August 2017 - 09:21 AM, said:

Ehhh, I don't see the Nova Cat being better than the Night Gyr either.

This.
There is nothing the Nova Cat does that the Night Gyr literally cannot do better. Plus all NG vars have JJs.
Not saying it doesn't look cool as hell, just not a whole lot going on.

[PurplePuke]

Gas Guzzler, on 09 August 2017 - 09:08 AM, said:

"Curious to hear what your definition of "excel" is in this case? Also not sure what you mean by "some people". Are you suggesting that "some people" can make bad mechs good or something?"

Hi. A functional definition of 'excel' in this case would be something like an above average W/L, or K/D, or perhaps both. We all know what excel means.

"Some people" means exactly what it says. Some players make builds and mechs work that the majority of people have condemned as being very poor.

Some people are more adaptable. Part of life and part of this game.

Well, battlemechs get hardpoint inflation. The Thanatos didn't get great hardpoint inflation. Again... 4E and 2M on one variant.

I think the hardpoints are fine. We'll see, I guess. But people condemning mechs before they are even introduced into the game, well, they're probably among the less adaptable players.

A heavy with ECM, Jets, and mobility will definitely have a place in the game. A mech like this with 4E and 2M is far from poor.

We could probably go 'round and 'round with this argument, because until the Thanatos is actually in the game, this is all just shooting down flies with poo.

Edited by PurplePuke, 09 August 2017 - 09:42 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 09 August 2017 - 09:21 AM, said:

Ehhh, I don't see the Nova Cat being better than the Night Gyr either.

We'll see. The Nova Cat will have a better Gauss vomit build (more DHS but no JJs). Also that LPL/MPL vomit build can't be done as well on the Gyr.

Also, what the hell does that have to do with the Thanatos, other than that the Thanatos will not only be worse than the Nova Cat, but also worse than the Night Gyr, if what you say is true?

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 09 August 2017 - 09:21 AM, said:

Thanny would probably be the better poptart. Sure it doesn't have those high mounts, but the Cataphract can't even use them well because the cockpit is in the middle of the torso (Jagermech syndrome). Not to mention it has more tonnage to play with. Both mechs suffer from having too large of sides though.

I don't think so. Even though the cockpit is lower if you are poptarting over angled terrain, you can get away with showing less torso. Also, what are the chances the Thanny gets as much armor?

JackalBeast, on 09 August 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

This.
There is nothing the Nova Cat does that the Night Gyr literally cannot do better. Plus all NG vars have JJs.
Not saying it doesn't look cool as hell, just not a whole lot going on.

See my post above. There are a couple loadouts the Nova Cat will be able to do better, and for all builds it has more slots for DHS.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 09 August 2017 - 09:48 AM.

[PurplePuke]

Maybe I think about the game differently than others do.

• ECM buys you a little time, can help you get some unanswered shots off.
  
• Jets can get you a couple unanswered shots per game, and maybe an escape from an enemy in hot pursuit.
  
• Mobility buys you an unexpected shot here and there in a game, and also helps you escape.

Thanatos could be a good mech for punctuating your team's firing line.

I guess we'll see, but those condemning it are a little too eager to condemn, I think.

[Athom83]

Not going to be a game changer, but it looks good so I'm going to get it anyway.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Gas Guzzler, on 09 August 2017 - 09:42 AM, said:

We'll see. The Nova Cat will have a better Gauss vomit build (more DHS but no JJs). Also that LPL/MPL vomit build can't be done as well on the Gyr.

It won't, the max you can have hardpoint wise is 1B/5E and that's without JJs. Dual Gauss and lasers like the Night Gyr can pull off will simply be better (because sustained will be better thanks to the extra Gauss). LPL/MPL vomit doesn't really matter, too short of range on the MPLs.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 09 August 2017 - 10:09 AM.