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[Odanan]

Lucian Nostra, on 10 August 2017 - 05:56 AM, said:

Owens, strider, avatar aaaand sunder

Owens and Striter have locked Single Heat Sinks, so they would be horrible in this game.

Of the list, Raptor and (specially) Men Shen are the good ones.

Templar and Avatar have locked XL Engines, so they will depend a lot on hitboxes and quirks. The same for Sunder, only aggravated by the fact it's even larger.

Most of the others are either uninspired (and worse) copies of existing mechs, or plagued by too slow locked engines. or other limitation due to the inferior IS tech.

[Metus regem]

Odanan, on 10 August 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

Owens and Striter have locked Single Heat Sinks, so they would be horrible in this game.

Of the list, Raptor and (specially) Men Shen are the good ones.

Templar and Avatar have locked XL Engines, so they will depend a lot on hitboxes and quirks. The same for Sunder, only aggravated by the fact it's even larger.

Most of the others are either uninspired (and worse) copies of existing mechs, or plagued by too slow locked engines. or other limitation due to the inferior IS tech.

Going by official art for the Templar, I'm 99% sure that it would actually be okay. It's shown to have large sheilding arms and very compact ST's, as well as having a narrow CT as well. These traits might actually make it better in the hit box department than the Battlemaster that is already really solid.

[BrunoSSace]

Once IS XL does not die from side torso loss they will be usable. Atm I would not buy them, they would nearly be worthless.

Edited by BrunoSSace, 10 August 2017 - 12:12 PM.

[Lances107]

I do not believe most, but not all, IS pilots would not know what to do with Omni mechs. Very few of them understand omni mechs come with a good deal of restrictions. Namely you can not change the engine them, on some variants you can not change the structure, and on some variants the omni pods are only allowed for said variant. I think most IS pilots would go through the roof when they get a look at these restrictions. Also omni mechs cost a whole lot more because your getting the engine, pods, and mech all in one pack. If they were ever to be released for IS, and then released for via cbills.

[Valdarion Silarius]

As long as we don't get any mixtech variants for the IS omnis, I could care less if we got IS omnis in the game. I just don't want any mix tech mechs that are going to be marketed for both the clans and the inner sphere, that could potentially take up a clan monthly mech slot. You just won't be seeing me buying any IS omnimechs anytime soon in the future. I think that the mechs will have to heavily rely on quirks just to be average in game.

[Will9761]

I went ahead and chose two IS OmniMech mostly because of my own personal decisions.

Lights:
Owens - Omni version of the Jenner
Arctic Fox - Inner Sphere's inbred version of the Kit Fox.

Mediums:
Firestarter - It could be the IS equivalent to the Huntsman
Blackjack - Durable Omni version of the BlackJack.

Heavy:
Black Hawk KU - Heavy IS version of the Nova, favorite in Mechwarrior 3
Avatar - IS Equivalent of the Mad Dog

Assault:
Hauptmann - House Steiner's classiest totem Mech, based after the Dire Wolf. It has a freaking laser cigar, so what more could I possibly ask for with a design like this?
Sunder - Based after the Hellbringer and Summoner. It was a favorite of mine since Mechwarrior 4

[Tordin]

I'll certainly buy these.

Raptor

Love the looks and is the bigger, younger cousin of the Flea. If PGI have such a hard time to include such a simple mech, then at least include the Strider

BTW, Need more 25 tonners, enough with 30 and 35 which the Owens and Arctic Fox represent.

Men Shen

It looks menacing as hell and got a chinese? name which is kinda cool.

We have an overload of IS 55 tonners at the moment, but the Men Shen gotta be the exception. While the Omni BJ and FS fills needed tonnage brackets, I dont want upg versions of the originals, bring out the unique mechs first. Same with IIC, save them to last bring in more clan omnis frist.

Black Hawk KU

While the Avatar also fills a much needed tonnage bracket, I find the BHK more interesting, even though its a Nova rip-off. The Perseus are to similar to the Orion IMO.

Hauptmann

Along with the Banshee and the upcoming Nightstar we are in total of 3 95 tonners.
Also the Haupter looks badass and one of my favs from MW4, yeah nostalgia I know. A Daishi wannabe. Love em both.
While the Templar and Sunder would be great to have. We alredy have quite a few 90 tonners. Highlander, Mauler and Cyclops. While we could get a third 85 tonner with the Templar, I like the Hauptmann more.

CK16, on 10 August 2017 - 06:34 AM, said:

If they did the Battle Cobra there is no way though they could do just the IS version with out the Clan version....that's why I seems off specially if done in a pack of 4. But added on non the less.

They could kiiinda.. do what they did with the upcoming Arctic Wolf, which have both IS/ Clan battlemech and Clan Omni versions.
So they could do 3 x IS battle cobras and 3 x Clan battle cobras. But there might be a catch... If they will release IS omnis, I doubt they would mix Clan and IS mechs without a good reason.... Same for if they do a last time CW pack style. Its a bit odd, not sure how it could be done..

Edited by Tordin, 10 August 2017 - 01:30 PM.

[FupDup]

Tordin, on 10 August 2017 - 01:09 PM, said:

Men Shen

It looks menacing as hell and got a chinese? name which is kinda cool.

Also need more 40 tonners, we have an overload of IS 55 tonners at the moment. While the Omni BJ and FS fills needed tonnage brackets, I dont want upg versions of the originals, bring out the unique mechs first. Same with IIC, save them to last bring in more clan omnis frist.

The Men Shen is 55 tons, not 40.

[Marauder3D]

Easy to get Men Shen and Sha Yu (stealth armor 40 tonner) confused, both were released in Field Manual: Capellan Confederation.

[Tordin]

Aye. Was thinking of the Sha Yu. That one would be nice to have aswell.

FupDup, on 10 August 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

The Men Shen is 55 tons, not 40.

True, edited my post above. The MS is an exception, even though we are overflowing with 55tonners.

Edited by Tordin, 10 August 2017 - 01:31 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Honestly the XL wouldn't be that bad if the hitboxes are alright and there are durability quirks. I honestly don't really think dropping to an LFE is worth it on heavies like the BK or GHR. I think 70 kph is about the minimum for making an XL work on a bigger mech. I think the Sunder and Templar could probably work out okay.. a little more unsure on the Templar but I know the Sunder gets eye level mounts and only really has to expose the top half of its torso at most, so there's that. I say we release them because they are cool and hope the get balanced well. I mean, mechs are rarely unusable...

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 10 August 2017 - 01:56 PM, said:

a little more unsure on the Templar but I know the Sunder gets eye level mounts and only really has to expose the top half of its torso at most, so there's that. I say we release them because they are cool and hope the get balanced well. I mean, mechs are rarely unusable...

The torso (LT/RT) mounts are at cockpit level on the Templar, as seen in the following offical art:



Note the position of the RT mounted SSRM/4 and sensor for the TC, This also gives a good idea of sheild size of the arms, as the arm shields are mounted on the outside of the shoulders. Source: Novel Imminent Crisis cover



Again not the position of the SSRM/4 and TC sensor, this also show torso design well enough as the two ERML are CT mounted. Source: FM:FS page 162.


Please note that the Templar does get a variant that uses dual LGR's, with each LGR in a torso mount. So that unit could do dual UAC/5's due to locked crit locations....

Looking at hard point swapping, it should be doable to do triple UAC/5 with 9t of ammo and 4xERML on the Templar.

[Athom83]

1 per weightclass? That'd be the Raptor, Men Shen, Avatar, and Sunder. Although, they could do the Owens, BJ/FS-omni, Perseus, and the Templar if they wanted to be quicker as they are all pretty much based on existing mechs.

[Gas Guzzler]

Metus regem, on 10 August 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

The torso (LT/RT) mounts are at cockpit level on the Templar, as seen in the following offical art:



Note the position of the RT mounted SSRM/4 and sensor for the TC, This also gives a good idea of sheild size of the arms, as the arm shields are mounted on the outside of the shoulders. Source: Novel Imminent Crisis cover



Again not the position of the SSRM/4 and TC sensor, this also show torso design well enough as the two ERML are CT mounted. Source: FM:FS page 162.


Please note that the Templar does get a variant that uses dual LGR's, with each LGR in a torso mount. So that unit could do dual UAC/5's due to locked crit locations....

Looking at hard point swapping, it should be doable to do triple UAC/5 with 9t of ammo and 4xERML on the Templar.

But those arm mounts are incredibly low, I didn't think there was adequate hardpoints in the side torsos for sufficient firepower. Another note, is that the Templar is much more slot restricted.

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 10 August 2017 - 02:30 PM, said:

But those arm mounts are incredibly low, I didn't think there was adequate hardpoints in the side torsos for sufficient firepower. Another note, is that the Templar is much more slot restricted.

Yup... That's why I went with UAC/5s in the ST's over something like UAC/10's or GR's.... Only 6 free slots in each ST....

[Gas Guzzler]

Metus regem, on 10 August 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

Yup... That's why I went with UAC/5s in the ST's over something like UAC/10's or GR's.... Only 6 free slots in each ST....

Right... I honestly think the Sunder would be the better mech, but it really comes down to what you like more when talking about what you want.

Hauptmann is a 95 ton Dire Whale with 43 tons of pod space for IS weapons, which means you are looking at dual shoulder Gauss and 6 ER MLs with 14 DHS... for a 50 kph mech that seems underwhelming.

[Tordin]

As others have mentioned, the Hauptmann got a sigar laser. I tell you that gotta count for something, especially if you are a smoker. The smokers mech. Also I bet these dudes would want to pilot it

[Gas Guzzler]

The one on top is fit to burn his hand on the tip of that cigar? Why would you reload your pistol so close to your face? Lol. Dumb picture is dumb.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Tordin, on 10 August 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

As others have mentioned, the Hauptmann got a sigar laser. I tell you that gotta count for something, especially if you are a smoker. The smokers mech. Also I bet these dudes would want to pilot it

Not-Doom-Guy and Not-An-Ultramarine-Guy?

[Tordin]

And who would smoke inside their battle armor? Thats just a s stoopid