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[Khobai]

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And who would smoke inside their battle armor? Thats just a s stoopid

youd have to be pretty stupid to be an elemental in the first place

[Bombast]

Khobai, on 10 August 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

youd have to be pretty stupid to be an elemental in the first place

Well, most of them are kind of born into the role. It's not like being an Elemental is a judgement call.

Lincoln Osis was an idiot, though.

Edited by Bombast, 10 August 2017 - 03:19 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Tordin, on 10 August 2017 - 03:12 PM, said:

And who would smoke inside their battle armor? Thats just a s stoopid

Also very true.

[CK16]

bump, FupDup helped make some charts will all omnipods of likely variants.

[Gas Guzzler]

CK16, on 10 August 2017 - 05:46 AM, said:

Sunder - http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Sunder

1 variant short... I really hope we get a 2B left arm...

[R Valentine]

Gas Guzzler, on 10 August 2017 - 07:51 PM, said:

1 variant short... I really hope we get a 2B left arm...

Large, boxy, locked XL engine.

[Gas Guzzler]

Kiran Yagami, on 10 August 2017 - 09:46 PM, said:

Large, boxy, locked XL engine.

70 kph, high mounted hardpoints. Also, how boxy it is will depend on the art team.

Its like you forgot that XL assaults used to be a thing. Its really not the end of the world, and since it has a locked XL engine it can be balanced accordingly.

[Thorn Hallis]

I'd really like to see the Men Shen (and would actually pay for it), though I fear we will only get the "popular" ones like Sunder, Templar and Hauptmann.

On a side note, the locked XL engines could be mitigated by a omnipod set bonus like "Behaves like a Clan XL engine".

[FupDup]

Thorn Hallis, on 10 August 2017 - 10:12 PM, said:

On a side note, the locked XL engines could be mitigated by a omnipod set bonus like "Behaves like a Clan XL engine".

I guess that might sort of be possible, given that the main thing we need to change is an XML entry SidesToDie (change from 1 to 2).

However, I think it's weird to given Omnis special engine rules that regular IS mechs can't benefit from, and relying on set bonuses means that you have to completely gimp your firepower to get it. IS Omnis generally have far worse stock hardpoints than Clan Omnis.

If PGI doesn't want to directly adjust engines, I think that ST armor quirks are sufficient for this. No it's not the same as surviving an ST loss, but the end result of staying alive longer is still achieved.

[Karl Streiger]

Celestial or 3145 Omnis or Riot

Edited by Karl Streiger, 10 August 2017 - 10:32 PM.

[Lord0fHats]

I don't expect IS omnis in game until PGI runs out of solid Battlemechs to package. The Clans have a much smaller roster of well known mechs, and exhausted the most famous ones in within the first three Clan Waves, so IIC and Clan Battlemechs became a necessity for release sooner than IS Omnis.

[Thorn Hallis]

FupDup, on 10 August 2017 - 10:18 PM, said:

I guess that might sort of be possible, given that the main thing we need to change is an XML entry SidesToDie (change from 1 to 2).

However, I think it's weird to given Omnis special engine rules that regular IS mechs can't benefit from, and relying on set bonuses means that you have to completely gimp your firepower to get it. IS Omnis generally have far worse stock hardpoints than Clan Omnis.

If PGI doesn't want to directly adjust engines, I think that ST armor quirks are sufficient for this. No it's not the same as surviving an ST loss, but the end result of staying alive longer is still achieved.

It is weird, no doubt, and might probably set a dangerous precedent for future 'Mechs.
On the other hand, the set bonus could be activated with any given number of omnipods and it would ensure the same minimum level of survival once the packs are sold for c-bills (i.e. when the nerfhammer hits).

[Lily from animove]

most of them field an XL, wonder if IS getting omnis may change PGI's stance towards Omnimech construction rules. Ther eis no advantage for any omnimech aside the hgiher chance to have better selfmade hardpoint combinations, but any Battlemech having good hardpoint combination is just superior to any omnimechs construction possibilities.

[FLG 01]

Re: XLs

I really don't think it is a problem. Assault Mechs admittedly run better with LFE, but even assaults with XL engines can work if speed, firepower, and geometry are good enough. Conversely XLs on medium and heavy are only a liability if speed and geometry are bad. I would not run the Men Shen or the Black Hawk-KU with an LFE even if I could.

Yes, a few IS Omnis will suffer from their design choices and locked equipment. The Avatar e.g. is too slow and too big to mount an XL engine, true.
But here is the thing: you don't need to vote for them, and PGI does not need to release them. We could just choose sensible Mechs.


Re: why would I want an IS Omni if there are better BattleMechs?

Novelty, fandom, curiosity... And, if the Mechs are chosen wisely they can be viable too. If high performance is the one and only criterion, I would probably want other Mechs (with the exception of the Men Shen). But I think it is strange to judge the IS Omnis exclusively by a standard that has hardly been applied to previous Mechs. The Mech roster of MWO would look dramatically different if high performance were the master criterion.

But again, it is not like every IS Omni would be as bad as the Strider or the Avatar.


PS: IS Omnis are not very high on my personal list. It is just that I try to be fair to them, and I think they got an undeservedly bad reputation.

[R Valentine]

Gas Guzzler, on 10 August 2017 - 09:56 PM, said:

70 kph, high mounted hardpoints. Also, how boxy it is will depend on the art team.

Its like you forgot that XL assaults used to be a thing. Its really not the end of the world, and since it has a locked XL engine it can be balanced accordingly.

Just because they used to be a thing doesn't make them good. The Sunder has obnoxiously easy to access hit boxes. A locked XL engine means it's a death trap. That'd be like trying to make an XL Stalker. PGI screwed the pooch on IS omnis a long, long time ago, way before we thought of adding them to the game.

[Khobai]

only way to make IS omnis work is to rebalance the game around ISXL surviving side torso blowout

[Jay Leon Hart]

Khobai, on 11 August 2017 - 06:13 AM, said:

only way to make IS omnis work is to rebalance the game around ISXL surviving side torso blowout

Or my crazy XL idea;
Omni XL = Current clan penalty
Battle XL = Current IS penalty

It's a bit of a sledgehammer, but it would "fix" a few "problems"

[CK16]

Still think the Templar would be a good addition to the game. It looks like it would be shape and size of the Battlemaster but have omni pods to swap around and dies have interesting build potential.

[Jay Leon Hart]

CK16, on 11 August 2017 - 11:13 AM, said:

Still think the Templar would be a good addition to the game. It looks like it would be shape and size of the Battlemaster but have omni pods to swap around and dies have interesting build potential.

Bonus points if I can paint those pauldrons with St. George's Cross

[Metus regem]

Jay Leon Hart, on 11 August 2017 - 11:28 AM, said:

Bonus points if I can paint those pauldrons with St. George's Cross

Likely with the crusader pattern...

They should totally include that pattern in the early adopter rewards when they release it for sale....