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[Coolant]

Ted Wayz, on 13 August 2017 - 03:11 PM, said:

Paid with our money?

Irrelevant. Since neither you nor I know the financial situation at PGI before a single mech was sold, they could've very well made the game without any financial support from this community. Even if they got a bank loan to finance the game initially, then perhaps the bank has an argument, but you do not. So, the "I gave them money" argument is moot and always has been. The game was free to download and they gave it freely. It was a gift and any argument that they owe you anything is moot.

[Bombast]

Coolant, on 13 August 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

It was a gift...

It was, and is, a product provided by a business for the sake of generating money, and calling it anything else is bizarre, and almost profane. Yes, they can, at any time, pull the plug, but don't try to frame it like they're doing us a favor.

Edited by Bombast, 13 August 2017 - 03:47 PM.

[Coolant]

Coolant, on 13 August 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

It's their game, their code, their servers and you are lucky to be able to play their game.

Viktor Drake, on 13 August 2017 - 03:03 PM, said:

Nope

It's hard to read past the first word in your argument since it is blatantly false. Please provide evidence that the game is not PGI's, the code is not PGI's and that they do not control access to the servers. Once you do that then we can continue the conversation.

[Zergling]

This sounds so obnoxiously stupid, it must be trolling.

[Coolant]

Bombast, on 13 August 2017 - 03:46 PM, said:

It was, and is, a product provided by a business for the sake of generating money, and calling it anything else is bizarre, and almost profane. Yes, they can, at any time, pull the plug, but don't try to frame it like they're doing us a favor.

IF and only IF there was a subscription fee then you might have an argument, but I believe those that play completely for free that haven't spent a dime on the game would say that being able to play MWO, the only Mechwarrior game on the market currently, and the only Mechwarrior game made by a studio in over 10 years since the last MW game, is a gift.

I'm thinking that you have spent money on the game therefore feel entitled.


gift
/ɡift/

• 1.a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present:

Edited by Coolant, 13 August 2017 - 03:59 PM.

[Bombast]

Coolant, on 13 August 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

IF and only IF there was a subscription fee then you might have an argument, but I believe those that play completely for free that haven't spent a dime on the game would say that being able to play MWO, the only Mechwarrior game on the market currently, and the only Mechwarrior game made by a studio in over 10 years since the last MW game, is a gift.

Oh, you 'think.'

Coolant, on 13 August 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

I'm thinking that you have spent money on the game therefore feel entitled.

What?

So... if you don't pay, it's a gift. If you do pay, you're entitled for thinking it's not a gift.

Well, you've just got all your bases covered, don't you.

[Coolant]

Bombast, on 13 August 2017 - 04:00 PM, said:

Oh, you 'think.

What?

So... if you don't pay, it's a gift. If you do pay, you're entitled for thinking it's not a gift.

Well, you've just got all your bases covered, don't you.

If you pay you receive the items you bought. However, the base game, the code, the servers you play on you are not paying for and therefore a gift. You downloaded....free. Please provide evidence of any cost charged by PGI that you had to provide to play MWO.

[Bombast]

Coolant, on 13 August 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

If you pay you receive the items you bought. However, the base game, the code, the servers you play on you are not paying for and therefore a gift. You downloaded....free. Please provide evidence of any cost charged by PGI that you had to provide to play MWO.

Please provide any evidence you have that PGI is offering this game as a gift (A gift has intent behind it. It's not anything that's free), and not just using the F2P business model.

The only other thing I'm going to say is that, if MWO is a gift, then this is a privately funded charity meal.

Edited by Bombast, 13 August 2017 - 04:21 PM.

[The Zohan]

Coolant, on 13 August 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

snip

What is it with this idiot? He seems...delusional.

[Coolant]

Bombast, on 13 August 2017 - 04:21 PM, said:

Please provide any evidence you have that PGI is offering this game as a gift (A gift has intent behind it. It's not anything that's free), and not just using the F2P business model.

Red Herring fallacy

The Zohan, on 13 August 2017 - 04:26 PM, said:

What is it with this idiot? He seems...delusional.

Ad hominem and Poisoning the Well fallacy

[Bombast]

Coolant, on 13 August 2017 - 05:54 PM, said:

Red Herring fallacy

No, it isn't. You claim that MWO is some sort of gift. I claim it is a product, put out by a business, to make money. Those are competing claims, and in no way is it a red herring fallacy to ask that you prove that a business is NOT doing business things. This IS the original argument.

[Aiden Skye]

Seems like each patch the shadowcat gets nerfed....along with my interest in continuing to support this game.

[Coolant]

Bombast, on 13 August 2017 - 06:03 PM, said:

No, it isn't. You claim that MWO is some sort of gift. I claim it is a product, put out by a business, to make money. Those are competing claims, and in no way is it a red herring fallacy to ask that you prove that a business is NOT doing business things. This IS the original argument.

No, my argument was:

Coolant, on 13 August 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

If you pay you receive the items you bought. However, the base game, the code, the servers you play on you are not paying for and therefore a gift. You downloaded....free. Please provide evidence of any cost charged by PGI that you had to provide to play MWO.

Please provide evidence of any cost charged by PGI that you had to provide to play MWO.
It was a red herring because you danced around my question by coming up with a question of your own because you didn't have an answer for mine, so you proposed one that was easier to defend.

Bombast said:

(A gift has intent behind it. It's not anything that's free)

Definitional retreat – changing the meaning of a word to deal with an objection raised against the original wording.

You have invented your own definition of gift to add weight to your argument, but I see through that.


Definition of gift

• 
  1: a notable capacity, talent, or endowment
  
• 
  2: something voluntarily transferred by one person to another without compensation
  
• 
  3: the act, right, or power of giving

https://www.merriam-...dictionary/gift

[Bombast]

Coolant, on 13 August 2017 - 07:00 PM, said:

SNIP

Ok. You've sold me.

MWO is a gift. Just like fish bait, syphilis and land mines.

Edited by Bombast, 13 August 2017 - 07:10 PM.

[Zergling]

He's obviously trolling. Just put him on ignore and move on.

[Y E O N N E]

Zergling, on 14 August 2017 - 01:07 AM, said:

He's obviously trolling. Just put him on ignore and move on.

Not intelligent enough to be a troll. How do we know? Because definitions 2 and 3 in his citation shoot down his own argument.

[GI JACE]

It would be nice, but they do say not to buy things based on quirks, that they will always be changing. There are certainly other mechs that could do with nerfing, and others that could use a buff, all a natural progression of the game. That doesn't make the cbill hit easier to swallow mind you...

[r4plez]

oh just stop feedind the troll. Coolant is Paul Inuye alt..