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[Nameless King]

Scurro, on 06 August 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

I actually agree.

I did not add those so I will have to discuss this with others that help run the unit database.

I'm fine with one man units being tracked but ranks should only be for 5+.

Well that would suck. I should be ranked too.

[Y E O N N E]

Grus, on 06 August 2018 - 10:50 AM, said:

Took a loom at my current stats... man i havent been able to play a lot..

Or you've been playing in FP too much, which doesn't register.

[Grus]

Yeonne Greene, on 06 August 2018 - 06:04 PM, said:

Or you've been playing in FP too much, which doesn't register.

So this is only for qp? I thought FW was counted.

[Y E O N N E]

Grus, on 07 August 2018 - 12:44 AM, said:

So this is only for qp? I thought FW was counted.

Not as far as I am aware.

[Ssamout]

Grus, on 07 August 2018 - 12:44 AM, said:

So this is only for qp? I thought FW was counted.

Qp/gq leaderboard stats.

[Revis Volek]

FP stats are 100% useless

[Scurro]

The leaderboard has undergone a minor UI update that included a few extra changes.


Changelog:

• Single player searches now include a games played by season graph.
  
• Unit leaderboard changed to require at least eight players in unit.
  The unit leaderboard was for stat comparisons of units, not single players. If you are a unit with less than eight, you are still tracked and players will still be shown with unit tags in searches and leaderboard.
  Once you submitted at least eight members the leaderboard will update dynamically.
  
• Unit searches now automatically resolve unit tag and unit names.

https://leaderboard.isengrim.org

Edited by Scurro, 11 August 2018 - 08:30 PM.

[Jackal Noble]

Scurro the leaderboard is broken, I'm not #1.

Oh and I never thanked you for doing all this for everyone. So, thanks a lot, it is appreciated.

Edited by Jackal Noble, 11 August 2018 - 08:56 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Just want to day again -

This site has become a must-have resource, like Smurfy. Huge props. Brodin has set the svartalfar to craft a big stompy robbit for you to wrastle giants in Valhalla.

[Fae Puka]

Ranking means virtually nothing tbh. Misses out where players take on specific roles that have little impact on k/d ratio etc. such as the need for ams/narc pilots to combat or work with the current messed up meta. Taking down 7.5k missiles but only doing 200 - 300 damage and no kills shows up as a poor result in this kind of analysis, yet gives a match score comfortably in the 500= zone and as a team player, is enabling ranked pilots to do their part of the team effort.

There are lies, there are outrageous lies, and there are statistics.

Edited by MummyPig, 12 August 2018 - 10:54 AM.

[Jman5]

MummyPig, on 12 August 2018 - 10:54 AM, said:

Ranking means virtually nothing tbh. Misses out where players take on specific roles that have little impact on k/d ratio etc. such as the need for ams/narc pilots to combat or work with the current messed up meta. Taking down 7.5k missiles but only doing 200 - 300 damage and no kills shows up as a poor result in this kind of analysis, yet gives a match score comfortably in the 500= zone and as a team player, is enabling ranked pilots to do their part of the team effort.

There are lies, there are outrageous lies, and there are statistics.

Ranking is based on match score, not KDR. If a player is blasting out 500 matchscore regularly with the help of his AMS support, he would be one of the top ranked players out there.

I would caution players not to be too dismissive just because they do not like the conclusion. Some stats can be misleading without proper context, but when you look across the board and all signs point toward the same thing, you would be wise to heed it.

[Nameless King]

Scurro, on 11 August 2018 - 08:29 PM, said:

The leaderboard has undergone a minor UI update that included a few extra changes.


Changelog:

• Single player searches now include a games played by season graph.
  
• Unit leaderboard changed to require at least eight players in unit.
  
  The unit leaderboard was for stat comparisons of units, not single players. If you are a unit with less than eight, you are still tracked and players will still be shown with unit tags in searches and leaderboard.
  Once you submitted at least eight members the leaderboard will update dynamically.
  
• Unit searches now automatically resolve unit tag and unit names.

https://leaderboard.isengrim.org

Boo I am a unit and should be counted on the unit leader board like everyone else. But oh well I guess.

[Scurro]

Nameless King, on 12 August 2018 - 02:52 PM, said:

Boo I am a unit and should be counted on the unit leader board like everyone else. But oh well I guess.

The unit leaderboard was made to compare units. If you wanted equal comparison in stats, player comparison is a search mode available on the leaderboard.

I set units to require at least eight, as that is the team size for MWO world championships.

Edit:
You are still tracked as a unit Nameless King, you will just not show on the public unit leaderboard.

Edited by Scurro, 12 August 2018 - 02:56 PM.

[Nameless King]

Scurro, on 12 August 2018 - 02:56 PM, said:

The unit leaderboard was made to compare units. If you wanted equal comparison in stats, player comparison is a search mode available on the leaderboard.

I set units to require at least eight, as that is the team size for MWO world championships.

Edit:
You are still tracked as a unit Nameless King, you will just not show on the public unit leaderboard.

Sorry but some units have 50-200 so an 8 man unit would never compare even to that. But I aint mad just voicing my opinion.

Also a one man unit is still a unit.

Edited by Nameless King, 12 August 2018 - 07:01 PM.

[Arend]

Nameless King, on 12 August 2018 - 06:58 PM, said:

Sorry but some units have 50-200 so an 8 man unit would never compare even to that. But I aint mad just voicing my opinion.

Also a one man unit is still a unit.

The "Unit" Leaderboard is merely a tool to compare competitive Teams, for example to help MRBC casters to compare 2 teams, my Unit is only listed with their active comp players, although that are only 10% of the active PHL Members!

[Fae Puka]

Jman5, on 12 August 2018 - 02:25 PM, said:

Ranking is based on match score, not KDR. If a player is blasting out 500 matchscore regularly with the help of his AMS support, he would be one of the top ranked players out there.

I would caution players not to be too dismissive just because they do not like the conclusion. Some stats can be misleading without proper context, but when you look across the board and all signs point toward the same thing, you would be wise to heed it.

I would caution players who are totally reliant on back stab attacks with light mechs, that their bias towards any kind of statistical tool that supports their scores, that they are ignoring the support other players are giving. Lights at the moment sit in the broken brackets when dps outstrips t/damage pretty much any other class and their actual contribution to the team is minimal - /pat yourself on the back for self gratification. (you know you deserve it)

[Eisenhorne]

MummyPig, on 13 August 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

I would caution players who are totally reliant on back stab attacks with light mechs, that their bias towards any kind of statistical tool that supports their scores, that they are ignoring the support other players are giving. Lights at the moment sit in the broken brackets when dps outstrips t/damage pretty much any other class and their actual contribution to the team is minimal - /pat yourself on the back for self gratification. (you know you deserve it)

The data does not support this. Lights have a coefficient in Jarl's adjusted score calculation of 1.090671842, meaning that globally lights are under-performing as compared to assault mechs. This corresponds with my own observations as well, light mechs are just not that good. If you are having problems with them, I suggest either bringing fewer LRM's, or staying closer to the rest of your team. Or a combination of both. The only light that is REALLY dangerous is the Piranha, and those are definitely avoidable if you just stay with your team and be aware of enemy positions.

[Nightbird]

Eisenhorne, on 13 August 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

The data does not support this. Lights have a coefficient in Jarl's adjusted score calculation of 1.090671842, meaning that globally lights are under-performing as compared to assault mechs. This corresponds with my own observations as well, light mechs are just not that good. If you are having problems with them, I suggest either bringing fewer LRM's, or staying closer to the rest of your team. Or a combination of both. The only light that is REALLY dangerous is the Piranha, and those are definitely avoidable if you just stay with your team and be aware of enemy positions.

You're debating with someone who calls himself MummyPig, this will not end well

[Eisenhorne]

Nightbird, on 13 August 2018 - 11:11 AM, said:

You're debating with someone who calls himself MummyPig, this will not end well

You never know, maybe he's open to calm, rational discourse when confronted with a dissenting opinion

[xX PUG Xx]

Eisenhorne, on 13 August 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

The data does not support this. Lights have a coefficient in Jarl's adjusted score calculation of 1.090671842, meaning that globally lights are under-performing as compared to assault mechs. This corresponds with my own observations as well, light mechs are just not that good. If you are having problems with them, I suggest either bringing fewer LRM's, or staying closer to the rest of your team. Or a combination of both. The only light that is REALLY dangerous is the Piranha, and those are definitely avoidable if you just stay with your team and be aware of enemy positions.

Nightbird, on 13 August 2018 - 11:11 AM, said:

You're debating with someone who calls himself MummyPig, this will not end well

You are debating with someone I would and have gladly had at my side in many battles: we both know his limitations and skills and we both know I value him much higher than many "Top Percentile" players. He may not get the massive damage scores but he is a reliable ally and good pilot to have on your team for the very reason he has stated. We are not all armour farmers and cockpit takers

Oh and my names PUG, go ahead and tell me I'm not worth debating with

Revis Volek, on 10 August 2018 - 10:17 AM, said:

FP stats are 100% useless

Erm... yeah because the high skill ceiling in QP is waaaaaay up there, so high it beguiles us mere FP pilots with the intricacies of tactics and piloting ability....... Oh wait! No, no it really doesn't

EDIT

Just to clarify, I use the List to track my own stats but I also know I can farm the crap out of match score to significantly boost those very same stats. Bringing 3xAMS on a KFX and standing next to couple of big slow assaults netted a rather impressive 500+ match score.... with only 2x ERMLL fitted to my 'Mech.

The problem with any stat based system is that it can be "gamed" if all you are interested in is your position relative to others and not improving you're actual game play in relation to a normal match. In my opinion anyway

Edited by xX PUG Xx, 13 August 2018 - 11:27 AM.