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[arcana75]

I don't know what else to do... it didn't matter if I scored 300-500 pts per match or just get destroyed and score like 150-200, my team still loses. My current stats in my Warhammer 6D are 33 matches player 22 losses, 24 kills 25 deaths. I don't mind dying, but the match losing streak has really got to me. 10 game losing streak hurts.

Really don't know what else I can do or even know if it's me and I need to do more. Maybe it's just that I can't figure out heavy mech gameplay. It's just depressing honestly.

On the other hand my Arctic Cheetah Prime's stats are much better, 58 matches 35 wins, 49 kills 29 deaths, and I can deal with light mech gameplay, flanking and causing chaos in the enemy's firing line.

Maybe I should just stick to light mechs.

Edited by arcana75, 13 September 2017 - 07:14 AM.

[Paigan]

Not sure if you alone can cause the team to lose consistently. 10 matches is too low a sample size.
That being said, they say the heavier a Mech is, the more you have to plan ahead because you can't change position and escape as easily as with lighter, faster Mechs. For example with (slow) assaults, you really need a plan, an idea of what a good spot/path with a good range and good cover suitable for your build is.
That, in turn, depends on your build.

[sycocys]

How many kills do you average per match? For me that would be a much better indicator of how well you are performing and why your are winning or losing more often.

[Dread Render]

until they fix the MM you will have this
There are allot of very good players in this game
most of us need to play our best mech and be in a sharp state of mind to compete.
and even the the results may not be anywhere near consistent.
... its a brutal game.
adjust accordingly.

[Trissila]

MWO is a team game. It takes good performance across most of the team to succeed. You cannot carry an entire team all by yourself.

Just focus on your own performance. If your MS is 300 or above, you're doing your part. If it's not, you need to work harder.

[Thorqemada]

Dread Render, on 13 September 2017 - 07:34 AM, said:

until they fix the MM you will have this
There are allot of very good players in this game
most of us need to play our best mech and be in a sharp state of mind to compete.
and even the the results may not be anywhere near consistent.
... its a brutal game.
adjust accordingly.

There is actually a ton of Playes who would bet their life that almost all Players are horrendous underhive momfeed drooling couchpotatoe neckbeards...

Edited by Thorqemada, 13 September 2017 - 07:59 AM.

[Daggett]

arcana75, on 13 September 2017 - 07:12 AM, said:

On the other hand my Arctic Cheetah Prime's stats are much better, 58 matches 35 wins, 49 kills 29 deaths, and I can deal with light mech gameplay, flanking and causing chaos in the enemy's firing line.

Maybe I should just stick to light mechs.

This is not unusual. I'm doing best in agile mechs too, and i perform much worse in most Assaults. Others do better in slower mechs and find lights too twitchy.

The question is if you prefer to expand on your strengths or if you want to perform well with every weight class. The latter one is totally possible (i slowly get better with Assaults over time) but of cause it's the harder way.

Edited by Daggett, 13 September 2017 - 08:00 AM.

[FireStoat]

I have the same issue and the only remedies that seem to work for me are...

1) It's a team game, which means I am playing to lose if I am substantially off by myself in my mech. So when the crap hits the fan, it's my job to be somewhere useful within the formation of my team 3-4 seconds BEFORE that moment hits.

2) Communication. Keep it short, and use it to reassure the team of your actions if they are critical. If you're in a heavy or assault mech you can use the VOIP to identify your mech and that you are supporting a push into a sector (by name), or if you are in a light mech you could use the VOIP to confirm that your mech (by name) is dealing with an enemy light in a sector, and to tell others in Alpha lance to assist or continue the push. Just saying SOMETHING for your team to plan on that is 9 words or less in a critical moment can make a big impact.

[Dread Render]

Thorqemada, on 13 September 2017 - 07:58 AM, said:

There is actually a ton of Playes who would bet their life that almost all Players are horrendous underhive momfeed drooling couchpotatoe neckbeards...

neckbeards!!!... that's kind of nasty don't you think ;-)

[Verilligo]

Teiris, on 13 September 2017 - 09:47 AM, said:

I can't believe you are Tier 5 and did not choose to hide your tier. Its really shameful to be Tier 5, you should not show your Tier unless you are 1 or 2.

Are you seriously trying to tier-shame someone that has been a member since the 31st of LAST MONTH? Holy hell, man. Forget anything that PGI might do, the community is doing a fine job all on its own turning us new players off from even trying to join in the fun. And I say this realizing you apparently made an account just to post this one message.

Edited by Verilligo, 13 September 2017 - 09:56 AM.

[Prototelis]

PSR is an experience bar.

WE DO NOT shame people for not grinding out the PSR. PSR is BROKEN AND MEANINGLESS.


What tier are you in, if you're so badass?

[Daggett]

Teiris, on 13 September 2017 - 09:47 AM, said:

I can't believe you are Tier 5 and did not choose to hide your tier. Its really shameful to be Tier 5, you should not show your Tier unless you are 1 or 2.

Teiris, on 13 September 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

I got nothing against the OP, but you can't sugarcoat things around here. MWO is a game for skilled players. All the good and notable players are Tier 1 and 2. There is no such thing as a skilled Tier 3, 4 or 5 player in MWO. If you are not Tier 1 or 2, all you can do is to humbly accept that you are not there yet and work to get to a better level, and not flashing Tier 5 proudly like its a badge of honor.

You sir are a troll and should be ashamed for such statements. People show or hide their tier for various reasons, and you are not the one to judge such decisions.

I have much more respect for any T5 player who is signalling that he needs to improve and seek advice than from a T1 with your manners.

Like any game MWO is a game for ALL players, it just has the problem of a low playerbase which can't support an ideal MM. I don't know why you even mention 'good and notable players' in this thread, no one here claims this title...

Edited by Daggett, 13 September 2017 - 10:27 AM.

[Jackal Noble]

Been there multiple times.

Only 1 solution.

Carry Harder. er.

[Daggett]

Teiris, on 13 September 2017 - 10:30 AM, said:

I think perhaps I got off on the wrong foot and I apologize. I'm not condemning OP, neither am I asking him to quit or uninstall. I make no claim myself to be a fantastic player. I myself used to be in Tier 5 and I have slowly worked my way up to Tier 3, and I love MWO as much as the next player.

While it is true that PSR is an experience bar, being in Tier 1 or 2 means you played more games and also won consistently. New accounts get a boost in gaining Tiers I understand, but if by the end of the honeymoon period you are still in 3-5 and not at least 2, you have to face the truth that at worst, you are a liability to the team, or at best, you are jinxed.

In all my years of surfing the MWO forums, this is the first forum user with a big shining 5. There is a reason why PGI added the option allowing players to hide their tiers, which is I guess to allow players who are not savvy yet some measure of dignity when posting. This culture of telling T3-5 players "It's ok, just have fun and don't worry about Tiers" is extremely detrimental IMHO. Yes, there are bad players in T1 and T2, but they still earned their keep to get there. You may find bad players in T1 and T2, but all capable and reliable players are ALWAYS in T1 or 2. Like I mentioned earlier, there is no such thing as a skilled T3-T5 player.

This is a free country, and of course OP is free to do as he pleases. Again, I have nothing against him. But I just want to point out that T3-T5 is not something to be proud of, but a pit that every mechwarrior should strive to climb out of eventually. While I am not asking OP to kill himself or anything, I just find it puzzling that he does not mind the stigma of being in Tiers other than 1 or 2.

Okay, now we are talking.

I understand your position, but why should everyone strife for a higher tier?

For instance i know several people with very limited time (family/kids are a thing for example) who know they can't invest enough to improve much in a given game. But they still like playing their favorite games to relax a bit and are glad that MM in most games usually separates them from the more serious players.

I admit that MWO is a game where you meet less such people than in more popular and less complex games, but since there is a possibility that every T3-T5 player could be more on the casual side i think it's only fair to not make any assumption why the player has not improved yet.

What i would wish is a MM which does not put T5 players in higher matches so they are not a burden for a team with higher standards. But i don't know how to achieve this without lots of fresh blood. Maybe 8v8 would help, but it probably won't be enough.

Edited by Daggett, 13 September 2017 - 11:02 AM.

[Verilligo]

Every player does not start at Tier 3. Everyone starts at Tier 5. There is no "honeymoon" period as you term it that I'm aware of. You CAN progress very quickly through T5 into T4, I think I got out of T5 after my first two or three games. But I'm reasonably certain everyone has to grind through T4 and up. I think your understanding of the tier system may be based on outdated information.

[Oldbob10025]

IF you see this happening do you communicate to your team on what to do? Most of the time like 85% of the time the team that talks to each other wins the matches in pug games from what seem to gather. Just say "hey i'm (name here) and lets go and defend c4 while the lights go and take out the LRM boats but only as a harasser force, get as many as them to chase you and let us know, once they chase you we will push the front line." Works like a charm most of the time..

Communication is key and you know what you will lose some games as people dont understand about it but thats part of life in a online game of the people that you meet. If your having a bad time or a horrible losing streak join a group of players on Discord or teamspeak as many people are looking for pilots that will just listen and want to get better...

Communication is key.

Some games NO one talks what so ever and does what ever they want and most of the time its a loss.. Talk wins

[El Bandito]

10 loss streak is nothing new to us, especially to new players. Heck, I personally had overall 0.25 WLR for the first few months of playing the game. You didn't see me feeling down for that.

Edited by El Bandito, 13 September 2017 - 04:29 PM.

[Ruar]

I've had those happen and it sucks. Usually I just log off and play something else. Right now it's BF4 and Dreadnought. Planetside 2 isn't that bad either.

Take a break, let the MM reset it's opinion of you, come back and it will get better.

Also, if you want a mobile heavy try the Quickdraw. it's surprisingly nice.

[arcana75]

Addressing the point about my Tier 5, I think everyone starts at Tier 5 now. On top of that the player tier bar is somewhere at 3/4 full at the start. So you need to put in some good games to get out of Tier 5.

At the start I only have trial mechs and these mechs don't earn XP so I can't build the skill tree which helps with the success of the mech I'm piloting. It's only thru 25 missions and the tutorial did I have enough C-Bills to properly get a mech of my own to level up on. However from playing the game, it seems like the game has a high bar set for adding points to my Tier bar, usually about 300 match points and up before there is a + side to the battle summary, otherwise it's an = sign which I suppose means no change and if it's below 200 it's a - sign which means I dropped abit in the Tier bar. This thing happens regardless of the mech I pilot so it was all negative points when I was piloting trial mechs, I often struggle to survive. Things picked up when I finally bought my first mech (Arctic Cheetah stats posted) and started to post good results over 58 matches.

When I did well in my ACH, I won more matches. When I did well or not in my WHM, I lost anyway. There appeared to be a correlation (note correlation is not the same as cause and effect). I truly wondered what more I could have done to help my team win. In the context of team dynamics more could be examined if the team composition remained static but in QP, this is not the case. More so it is not the case that individual performance can shape a team's victory chances in QP, in fact as Trissila astutely pointed out it requires good performance from a majority of the random team. This is comfort but still cold comfort to me. If a player (like me, maybe I'm a snowflake as per US slang) feels powerless to shape his/her outcome, repeatedly over time, despite his/her good and bad efforts, I start to wonder...

As for the tier thing being a badge of honour or disgrace, I see it differently. I see it as opinion-shaping, combined with join date. Comments made by someone in the forum, the same words written by someone in Tier 1 with years of MWO on their belt, versus a Tier 5 with 2 weeks, the words take a different tone altogether. IMHO if a new player comments about the new player experience, PGI should listen closely, much more closely than a 5th year Tier 1 player. Not that PGI should ignore, but there is a different emphasis IMHO. The reverse happens or should happen if PGI is asking for ideas on late game content additions, or tweaks to deep mechanics like matchmaking, hitboxes and game balances.

For me, when someone gives advice to me about things in MWO, Tier helps me prioritise the suggestions as well. This was indeed the case when I read the forums looking for advice on my first mech to buy. The keyword here is prioritise, so I don't reject or blindly accept suggestions based purely on player Tier. Additionally, the tier status also changes my expectations of a forumer/player, where someone in a higher Tier, I expect better from them, as I have them in higher regard, so I expect more from them. We have other mechanics to develop the same mental models across other forums, on our own, etc creation date, post count, cogency of argument, etc, but here on MWO Tier is one helpful metric. This produces a more complex outcome than a simple "badge of honour or disgrace" that one should flaunt or hide.

My 2 cents. Anyway I'm taking time off from MWO. One thing's for sure those losses did make me think twice about firing up MWO these last 2 days.

Edited by arcana75, 13 September 2017 - 09:36 PM.

[Dingo Battler]

Take a break, sometimes you get losing streaks, I'm not sure why too. Last night I had a 10 game winning streak, and a 8 game losing streak the night before. Generally, I stop after 3 losses, it means either matchmaking's broken, or I'm broken.

T5 requires a unique way of playing till you reach T2/3:

1) NEVER use anything below 75kph. Very likely to get left behind in NASCAR. This means assaults are out for you - Not to worry, you can start using them in T3, and they get much better in T1.

2) ALWAYS say "stick with the assaults" at the start of a match. Stick with the assaults, ESPECIALLY if you're a light. You can only start scouting in T1/2, as everyone is brain dead in the earlier tiers, and will try to chase their light lance.

3) Be more conservative in your judgement. Living is more important than killing. Lots of nubs love to shout "push push" like they're encouraging a pregnant woman, but 10 times out of 10, their judgement is wrong, especially in T5.

4) Use metamechs. Don't copy the builds, but try to understand the principle. Don't use the short ranged builds till you're at least T3. Just go laser vom, then try dakka, and finish off with gauss vom. You will want to learn how to gauss before you hit T3, as many builds depend on it.

5) Don't use LRMs, its a massive crutch, and you'll find yourself stuck in T3 with 0 skill in anything else if you use it.

That's it. should help you slowly