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[MischiefSC]

naterist, on 27 September 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:

Disprove my points then. Oh, you cant.

You've never provided any proof for your points. Just Some baseless assertions based on your fear of losing.

One team loses every single match. Your idea that everyone needs to win more and that putting more effort into winning more should be discouraged so that those who don't can still feel like winners in a PvP team based game is really, really irrational. That you want to apply it to the team based segment of the game is even less rational.

You've had people from most factions who were involved in faction leadership explain it to you, you've had the original design posts for FW linked to you, you've got access to the forums where people discussed FW since it started pointed to you, but since it's not people losing their **** because a better team beat them it's invisible to you.

That's not really a rational thing anyone can debate, it's a personal opinion being presented as a fact that tries to ignore all the facts available and presented.

So, yeah. People are starting to just switch to mocking.

[naterist]

Carl Vickers, on 27 September 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

Got sick of beating my head against a wall, you are quite literally bloodwolf mk2, self deluded and no idea.

Carl Vickers, on 27 September 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

Lol, pot meet kettle, you just spout nonsense you think is the truth.

[naterist]

Carl Vickers, on 27 September 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

Good to see you have someone helping you with comebacks, you need it.

Ouch, what an (almost) stinging retort.

You still havent offered any evidence to back up your claims.

[naterist]

Carl Vickers, on 27 September 2017 - 04:34 PM, said:

Even if the truth was put in front of your eyes (which it already has been) you wont believe it cause you dont want to believe it. Hence the self delusion which was bloodwolfs hallmark.

Bringing up bloodwolf? Wasnt he in a unit that dissappeared because they were sick of stomps? Thanks for reminding me, more evidence in my corner. Your turn to try and think of evidence for yourself. Ill try not to be dissapointed when you cant.

[justcallme A S H]

lol Bloodwolf's unit gave up because they got stomped alright.

But then when you bring nothing but LRMs, that is a given.

[naterist]

justcallme A S H, on 27 September 2017 - 04:42 PM, said:

lol Bloodwolf's unit gave up because they got stomped alright.

But then when you bring nothing but LRMs, that is a given.

Theres you moving the goalposts again.

[Carl Vickers]

Wrong again, cwi is still around, like most starter units they go quiet for periods as their best players leaves and they then recruit some more players, get a little active then the players they recruited get good and leave for better units, tis a vicious cycle.

Edited by Carl Vickers, 27 September 2017 - 04:45 PM.

[naterist]

Carl Vickers, on 27 September 2017 - 04:44 PM, said:

Wrong again, cwi is still around, like most starter units they go quiet for periods as their best players leaves and they then recruit some more players, get a little active the the players they recruited get good and leave for better units, tis a vicious cycle.

Its taking them a longass time to get new players for fw. Getting turned off from a mode because youve had terrible experiences does that to a recruitment pool.

[Leggin Ho]

naterist, on 27 September 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

If you repeat yourself a bunch, your statements dont automatically become relevant.

I did not direct that at anyone, if your thinking it was you well then.....

[naterist]

Leggin Ho, on 27 September 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

I did not direct that at anyone, if your thinking it was you well then.....

Im sorry, i didnt realise you were admitting over the internet that you had a learning disorder. I feel bad now about all the names ive called you on ts.

[Leggin Ho]

Nate someday you'll grow out of that, or natural selection will occur, either way I'll have a drink for you hitting that next stage in your life.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

I will offer a piece of evidence you have familiarity with...the FRR in phase 3.0.

While the Jade Falcon juggernaut was burning south towards Terra, the FRR was (for a long time) pushing the rest of the Clans back towards their home worlds. The FRR at one point was up 30+ planets (before BNB got CGB going and reversed those gains late season).

I am not sure exactly when we first met on the FRR hub, you were pretty new and I (while only a few months ahead of in FW experience) was thinking about leaving and soon did. The reason was simple. While the FRR had done quite well...our teams had mostly won, yet players were leaving. A few months prior ....When I was new there I had to basically beg my way into one of the several groups that were pressing the attack. I was new and bad...so begging I felt was necessary. Anyway, SO and other loyalist groups were pressing the attack and were active. However, despite success...activity on the hub was declining. As months past it was getting harder to get 12 in drops...near the end I never had to worry about getting a spot. One group was still going pretty often, but it wasn't always full and it wasn't nearly what we had going a few months earlier. We started to have to take more defense drops (vs. attacking) to make sure we could get to 12 and get a lobby. I had thought about joining a FRR loyalist unit and figured I would, but loyalists there were waning. It wasn't the stomps...Jade Falcon wasn't on our door and didn't really attack us. So, evil,Kcom, etc weren't much of an issue really. We fought the battles we wanted and again mostly won. Yet, vets left...and not enough new players replaced them in the FRR....and thus those glory days in 3.0 didn't last. I saw the writing on the wall and took a unit offer with 07 that Heavy Cavalry (who had been the #1 Ranked FRR loyalist) made me when he had left earlier.

Again...not a defense of stomps being awesome here. Just some evidence that it was the unfulfilled promises of FW (which PGI had made...or at least loyalists felt they had) that was a major driver of folks from the mode....in spite of actual battlefield success in matches....facing waves of (pre-nerf!) quad uac10 KDK-3's no less! I am still proudest of some of the battles I fought in with the FRR

[MischiefSC]

CWI didn't quit because stomps. The had leadership leave and good players move on combined with the great 1 Bucketing that eliminated Clan Wolf as a real independent faction. Units fade. It happens.

Are you saying g CWI all quit after 2 years.... because most Davion loyalist teams and even pug teams kept beating them?

Wait wait, did MS quit because of stomps?

But in your system CWI would have spent more matches playing better teams.

My wife is reading me a paper right now from a guy who says all cancer is actually a fungus infection. That the cancer cells are actually fungus and that's why the tumors are white.

It's surreal in how similar it is to this discussion. Someone mistakes a vague correlations with causation then misrepresents all the other data. Her says the cure is injecting the tumors with baking soda. Maybe we need to do that to FW? All units musty be sprinkled with baking soda!

Edited by MischiefSC, 27 September 2017 - 07:18 PM.

[Puggs Hunter 187]

so PGI this shows that you have not done well in keeping with the realism of the battletech universe so please put it back with everyone against each other and the clans are not allowed to pass or raid past the tukayyid line until the clan/comstar truce is complete. To everyone else clans are powerful but can not brawl like Inner sphere mechs until that happens then put every merc that has a contract with either clan or IS as a loyalist with 1 month contract not weekly contracts. then they can choose after if they are loyal or lone wolf, no middle ground any more. no IS vs CLAN its every man for themselves again.
sorry guys thats my opinion and i feel its the best for everyone.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

Puggs Hunter 187, on 02 October 2017 - 04:31 PM, said:

so PGI this shows that you have not done well in keeping with the realism of the battletech universe so please put it back with everyone against each other and the clans are not allowed to pass or raid past the tukayyid line until the clan/comstar truce is complete. To everyone else clans are powerful but can not brawl like Inner sphere mechs until that happens then put every merc that has a contract with either clan or IS as a loyalist with 1 month contract not weekly contracts. then they can choose after if they are loyal or lone wolf, no middle ground any more. no IS vs CLAN its every man for themselves again.
sorry guys thats my opinion and i feel its the best for everyone.

You may appeal to lore...but lore will not save you freebirth..

[Tier5 Kerensky]

When Clan takes over the whole IS planets we should move on to next FP phase, (I think it would be FP 5.0 then?), when you can play under IS or Clan, and take IS AND Clan mechs.


Something like everyone gets 260 dropdecks, but each Clan mech will consume little extra bonus weight, like x1.15. So if you have all Clan mechs you have about 225 tons to use. With all IS mechs you have full 260. And mixed will count each mech indivudually.

Sure that would change FP fundementally.

[B0oN]

Teer Kerensky, on 03 October 2017 - 08:09 AM, said:

When Clan takes over the whole IS planets we should move on to next FP phase, (I think it would be FP 5.0 then?), when you can play under IS or Clan, and take IS AND Clan mechs.


Something like everyone gets 260 dropdecks, but each Clan mech will consume little extra bonus weight, like x1.15. So if you have all Clan mechs you have about 225 tons to use. With all IS mechs you have full 260. And mixed will count each mech indivudually.

Sure that would change FP fundementally.

I´d be driving chosen IS easymode mechs all day