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[Throe]

UnofficialOperator, on 03 December 2017 - 07:37 AM, said:

Really shouldn't be in T1 matches. Its crap all the way around.

Except PSR has been flawed from the get-go, since it's designed to always eventually push everyone into Tier 1 if they play enough. Even with a W/L ratio below 1, you'll still eventually get there if you just keep playing. I guess it assumes that practice makes perfect, even though most of the active in-game player feedback in this game isn't useful for improving your play.

Mechrophilia, on 03 December 2017 - 10:31 AM, said:

IMO, our rank system should represent how that pilot performs in that mech.
So basically, "MWO Super Alt" would have a different rank in a HBR-F than in a DRG-1N.

Amen.

And specifically *that pilot*, not *that pilot's team in every match they've played, ever; and to a significantly lesser degree, that pilot*.

[UnofficialOperator]

Xetelian, on 04 December 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

I don't think there are enough Tier 1 pilots to populate matches on every server in under 5+ minutes of waiting.


As far as I've heard the vast majority of pilots are tier 3-5 and without them, matches would take several minutes to make.

Perhaps they should implement an MM which can drop 4v4 or 8v8. Anyway Top 20% should be about 8k players no?

Throe, on 04 December 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

Except PSR has been flawed from the get-go, since it's designed to always eventually push everyone into Tier 1 if they play enough. Even with a W/L ratio below 1, you'll still eventually get there if you just keep playing. I guess it assumes that practice makes perfect, even though most of the active in-game player feedback in this game isn't useful for improving your play.



Amen.

And specifically *that pilot*, not *that pilot's team in every match they've played, ever; and to a significantly lesser degree, that pilot*.

Yes that's why we should retier everyone now. There are people in T1 with extremely bad stats. They should tier down.

Edited by UnofficialOperator, 04 December 2017 - 05:40 PM.

[Xavori]

UnofficialOperator, on 04 December 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

Ok great. We get it. You are a great player but you are currently handicapped ok over the last few seasons. So how does this relate to the topic? Refer back to original topic thanks. Matchscore is useless? What other metric then?

We'd need PGI to create a player rating system using any of the tried-and-true methods out their like ELO (not the fake bad PGI ELO), WHR, TrueSkill, etc.

[UnofficialOperator]

Xavori, on 04 December 2017 - 05:41 PM, said:

We'd need PGI to create a player rating system using any of the tried-and-true methods out their like ELO (not the fake bad PGI ELO), WHR, TrueSkill, etc.

Basically you are saying nothing and dodging.

Ah whatever.

OP still stands.

Edited by UnofficialOperator, 04 December 2017 - 06:05 PM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

By OP's logic, I deserve to be in Tier 1.

Please no. Can I go back to Tier 3? It was so much more fun, I could run more mixed builds & not totally suck...

[loopala]

HMMM play enough and you will be T1. Well i have about 6000 plus drops under my belt and i am rated low T5. There are many reasons for this. i like super stock mechs and mixed builds. Yep i am the run running a stock weapon layout on a AS7 BH with DHS and a bit of armor and ammo moved around. I also like locusts and had mastered all of them under the old system. Trust me for every good match there is that 1 minute head shot dead match in those little death machines. Love them though. Also mt tendency to be a bit of an up front biserker dosn't help. Since day one, until recently, i have been playing on a toaster that had a hard time getting above 15fps.While my w/l is almost 1 my k/d is sub .5

so no you will not always end up in T1 if you play enough.

[Mike McSullivan]

Jay Leon Hart, on 05 December 2017 - 12:33 PM, said:

By OP's logic, I deserve to be in Tier 1.

Please no. Can I go back to Tier 3? It was so much more fun, I could run more mixed builds & not totally suck...

Exactly my thoughts....
but yeah, only 1cm of the xp bar to get to tier 1 -.- (which will half my stats again)

[Wolfways]

loopala, on 07 December 2017 - 08:57 AM, said:

HMMM play enough and you will be T1. Well i have about 6000 plus drops under my belt and i am rated low T5. There are many reasons for this. i like super stock mechs and mixed builds. Yep i am the run running a stock weapon layout on a AS7 BH with DHS and a bit of armor and ammo moved around. I also like locusts and had mastered all of them under the old system. Trust me for every good match there is that 1 minute head shot dead match in those little death machines. Love them though. Also mt tendency to be a bit of an up front biserker dosn't help. Since day one, until recently, i have been playing on a toaster that had a hard time getting above 15fps.While my w/l is almost 1 my k/d is sub .5

so no you will not always end up in T1 if you play enough.

Sounds like me...just change the 15fps to a whopping 20fps

Play to enjoy the game. If you aren't enjoying it there's no point in playing

[Xmith]

I looked at more stats of former teammates. There are some with just barely a negative W/L. But these same players may have a positive K/DR. So far I have not seen average match scores under 100, not one.

[Throe]

loopala, on 07 December 2017 - 08:57 AM, said:

HMMM play enough and you will be T1. Well i have about 6000 plus drops under my belt and i am rated low T5. There are many reasons for this. i like super stock mechs and mixed builds. Yep i am the run running a stock weapon layout on a AS7 BH with DHS and a bit of armor and ammo moved around. I also like locusts and had mastered all of them under the old system. Trust me for every good match there is that 1 minute head shot dead match in those little death machines. Love them though. Also mt tendency to be a bit of an up front biserker dosn't help. Since day one, until recently, i have been playing on a toaster that had a hard time getting above 15fps.While my w/l is almost 1 my k/d is sub .5

so no you will not always end up in T1 if you play enough.

You're describing a situation where you're actively trying not to gain PSR(whether you admit it or not). Of course, the system is not designed to prevent someone from intentionally dropping PSR, which in some ways is good. It allows you to stay in your comfort zone. But your situation has nothing to do with the problem on the other end of PSR.

For those of us who do try to win the vast majority of the time, we will still all end up in Tier 1 regardless of actual skill level. As an example, I am most certainly not a top tier skill level pilot, but I'm inching ever closer to that point, because I always try to win. In fact, if I had as much time to play as I wanted to, I'm sure I'd already be there.

[Grus]

The leaderbords are nice but it really depends on the metric you're looking at to define it's value. I like to look at KDR, if the value is true, and I have a team of 12 at 1+ or 2 use we should win with atlest a 12 - 6 score if the other teams average is 1. ( for example )

I don't look at w/l so much because that depends more on the group or team your dropping with.

Matchscore can be iffy

But the teir bit is just a exp bar.

[Tier5 Kerensky]

What's the point? I can understand fustration, but I rarely see people complaining how they managed to make 1500 damage in whatever. It's the same thing, just different side of it.

If a person wants more challenge, take weaker mechs.

[Darrious Quinn]

Jay Leon Hart, on 05 December 2017 - 12:33 PM, said:

By OP's logic, I deserve to be in Tier 1.

Please no. Can I go back to Tier 3? It was so much more fun, I could run more mixed builds & not totally suck...

I returned from almost a year long hiatus from the game and made a "gag" account to F2P and relearn everything. I had far mo fun on the gag account then I do this primary account, even several months into it. Sadly now even my gag account is almost T2 and its only a few months old
There is NO reason at all, that an inactive account should be allowed to maintain his Tier. I left as a T2, I came back as a T2, but I sure as hell wasn't playing at T2.

I defiantly support culling the upper Tiers of the fluff and wanna-bees that don't belong. Poor play and negative hits to tier standing should have a greater impact making tier loss an actual threat.
In addition, Tiers should have a slow but constant degrading bleed on it. Solves two problems with one function. The slow bleed would lower the tiers of inactive players so they aren't gone for months as a T1 and return as a T1 liability and it keeps a requirement on everyone to at least play well enough to negate the bleed. If you're that good, overcoming the bleed should be easy.

Keep in mind however you can not have your cake and eat it too. You can't cull T1 down to only those who deserve it and have a reliable bucket to pull matches from. That leaves you in the exact same we are currently in... T1s in game with T3s or worse because matchmaker has to pull whoever is available.

[Brain Cancer]

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HMMM play enough and you will be T1. Well i have about 6000 plus drops under my belt and i am rated low T5. There are many reasons for this. i like super stock mechs and mixed builds. Yep i am the run running a stock weapon layout on a AS7 BH with DHS and a bit of armor and ammo moved around. I also like locusts and had mastered all of them under the old system. Trust me for every good match there is that 1 minute head shot dead match in those little death machines. Love them though. Also mt tendency to be a bit of an up front biserker dosn't help. Since day one, until recently, i have been playing on a toaster that had a hard time getting above 15fps.While my w/l is almost 1 my k/d is sub .5

That'd be because you were playing on a computer that wasn't actually able to play MWO, given 15 FPS is essentially unplayable (especially for a light). Note that the last two seasons, you shot up like a rocket and have a very respectable 1.86/1.9/306 W-L/K-D/average match score this time. You won't be T5 for long at that rate.

Again, the only way to be perma T5 is to have never been capable of fundamental parts of gameplay to begin with. That computer clearly counts, considering the difference between your current performance and your earlier one.

[Chados]

Darrious Quinn, on 07 December 2017 - 01:01 PM, said:

I returned from almost a year long hiatus from the game and made a "gag" account to F2P and relearn everything. I had far mo fun on the gag account then I do this primary account, even several months into it. Sadly now even my gag account is almost T2 and its only a few months old
There is NO reason at all, that an inactive account should be allowed to maintain his Tier. I left as a T2, I came back as a T2, but I sure as hell wasn't playing at T2.

I defiantly support culling the upper Tiers of the fluff and wanna-bees that don't belong. Poor play and negative hits to tier standing should have a greater impact making tier loss an actual threat.
In addition, Tiers should have a slow but constant degrading bleed on it. Solves two problems with one function. The slow bleed would lower the tiers of inactive players so they aren't gone for months as a T1 and return as a T1 liability and it keeps a requirement on everyone to at least play well enough to negate the bleed. If you're that good, overcoming the bleed should be easy.

Keep in mind however you can not have your cake and eat it too. You can't cull T1 down to only those who deserve it and have a reliable bucket to pull matches from. That leaves you in the exact same we are currently in... T1s in game with T3s or worse because matchmaker has to pull whoever is available.

I have a T5 alt. It’s much more fun than my T2 main.

[James Argent]

Brain Cancer, on 07 December 2017 - 03:03 PM, said:

That'd be because you were playing on a computer that wasn't actually able to play MWO, given 15 FPS is essentially unplayable (especially for a light). Note that the last two seasons, you shot up like a rocket and have a very respectable 1.86/1.9/306 W-L/K-D/average match score this time. You won't be T5 for long at that rate.

Again, the only way to be perma T5 is to have never been capable of fundamental parts of gameplay to begin with. That computer clearly counts, considering the difference between your current performance and your earlier one.

A long history of bad gameplay can keep you in T5 for a long time even after your gameplay improves. It's almost as if there's no floor for T5 PSR and you have to make amends for every bad score you ever had with an opposing good score. Once someone in this situation finally claws their way out of T5, Tiers 4 and 3 go by in nearly no time at all.

[TLBFestus]

There is no way that the cream can rise to the top if there isn't any milk.

Just saying.

[Pariah Devalis]

TLBFestus, on 07 December 2017 - 04:39 PM, said:

There is no way that the cream can rise to the top if there isn't any milk.

Just saying.

No butter maker would package the skim milk with the cream.

[UnofficialOperator]

TLBFestus, on 07 December 2017 - 04:39 PM, said:

There is no way that the cream can rise to the top if there isn't any milk.

Just saying.

Not everything that floats is cream btw...

[Ruslan Savelyev]

Why do people expect so much of Quick Play? It is the most basic level of involvement that this game has. It should not be serious business. It should be a casual way to feed the economy for the rest of the game. Every other game in existence uses basic game play to draw players into more immersive activities, except for MWO, which gave it a leaderboard.

The number of things that people can complain about will never end. Should we have to fill out a short questionnaire at log in to confirm that we have had a full night sleep and are not hung over before we intrude on the gaming experience of xXhardcoreHBRpilotXx? Judging by the amount of people who say they preferred t3, it is likely that if PGI offered a "no MM" QP option, it would empty the queue for it's MM enabled sibling.

There absolutely should be a way for someone who wants a competitive match to find one. It just seems like the best way to achieve that would be to follow the lead of every other MMO and promote immersive, "premade" options rather than shoving an ever changing patchwork of conditions into the single player MM.