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[Kin3ticX]

Sort of glad PGI pretended CW didnt exist this year. Not a lot of people even noticed, thats the sad part.

[Khobai]

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However, one must take into account that people can team up with each other in these kind of FFA Royales, even if it isn't obvious; They simply don't kill each other until the very end, which sucks as it usually becomes obvious towards the very end when it's down to the last three or four.

thats all part of what makes FFA more fun IMO. theres an element of diplomacy and having to form impromptu alliances. you have to be able to read other players intentions through their actions. since the top 4 players would advance to round 2, if youre a good player you should be able to get in the top 4 consistently, even if other players are teaming up against you.

1v1 is just alphastriking splat builds until someone dies. thats terrible. there is no substance there.

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Sort of glad PGI pretended CW didnt exist this year. Not a lot of people even noticed, thats the sad part.

PGI pretends CW doesnt exist every year

Edited by Khobai, 10 December 2017 - 04:08 PM.

[Mole]

Kin3ticX, on 10 December 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

Sort of glad PGI pretended CW didnt exist this year. Not a lot of people even noticed, thats the sad part.

I feel like PGI has finally realized that CW is a totally lost cause and given up on it. Unless they can find a way to do something about the imbalance between factions CW will never be fun for your average player. And I'm really not sure what can be done to rectify the aforementioned problem short of allowing IS to build clan 'mechs into their drop deck and allowing clans to build IS 'mechs into their drop decks, which will cause an entire shitstorm in and of itself by lore purists.

[Khobai]

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In the lore 1v1 or occasionally 2v2 tag-team duels were by far the most common Solaris matches.

following lore is why mwo isnt a better game

so lets not follow lore anymore

[Nightbird]

Not much to look forward to for me in 2018. All resources are on MW5, but that's going to be 2019.

I'm not interested in Solaris etc

[DjPush]

Mole, on 10 December 2017 - 01:02 PM, said:

How many years have we been begging for Solaris and now that they are giving it to us we are complaining?

Who is us? I never once asked for solaris, and all of the players I once played this game with, left because that's all this game really is.

[davoodoo]

Khobai, on 10 December 2017 - 05:05 PM, said:

following lore is why mwo isnt a better game

so lets not follow lore anymore

Theres heavy gear license to get i guess, or zoom way past all of this and go gundam.

If you dont want to follow the lore may i ask why would you even want the license to begin with? to cynically ride off established franchise?

Edited by davoodoo, 10 December 2017 - 05:23 PM.

[Anjian]

I would think that Battletech and MW5 would bring more visibility to the franchise, and even if MW5 did take resources from MWO, which for me does feel like its on the end of its road in terms of development, having more visibility to the franchise can add more players to MWO.

I feel that the best route on MWO is trickle down on its development, and increasingly focus on moving the game to a new game engine, and I would think MW5 helps provide the infrastructure for that.

[MischiefSC]

Nightbird, on 10 December 2017 - 05:07 PM, said:

Not much to look forward to for me in 2018. All resources are on MW5, but that's going to be 2019.

I'm not interested in Solaris etc

You're confused.

Bannerlord is likely 2018.

That's going to be incredible.

[C E Dwyer]

Mole, on 10 December 2017 - 01:02 PM, said:

How many years have we been begging for Solaris and now that they are giving it to us we are complaining?

I certainly never begged for it, i spoke out against it as a poor choice of direction.

Solaris is one planet that has been given far to much attention in the lore, because it is small and takes limited amount of effort to write about, rather than an entire factions social make up or goals.

It's the cheapest, easiest most pointless institution created for the franchise, but of course it was going to be a P.G.I thing because it takes the least effort..

epeen world though will be a thing the only positive I can take from it's iclusion is that the socially inept, that have no desire to show team work will hopefully gravitate to it

[Anjian]

Mole, on 10 December 2017 - 04:32 PM, said:

I feel like PGI has finally realized that CW is a totally lost cause and given up on it. Unless they can find a way to do something about the imbalance between factions CW will never be fun for your average player. And I'm really not sure what can be done to rectify the aforementioned problem short of allowing IS to build clan 'mechs into their drop deck and allowing clans to build IS 'mechs into their drop decks, which will cause an entire shitstorm in and of itself by lore purists.

Yup. I would think CW is dead at this point, and its better to focus resources on what people are actually playing or may potentially play upon.

The more niche or the smaller the player base is, the more you should not spread it out across different modal games like QP vs. FP.

CW/FP also suffers from already fatally inflicted negative branding, that even if you fix it, people will still stay away from it.

[arcana75]

There ought to be a stark difference between not spending money on a free to play game, and stopping playing the game, yes?

Feel free to stop spending money. Just keep playing with what you have now.

Or stop playing and go play something else.

[C E Dwyer]

Juodas Varnas, on 10 December 2017 - 12:10 PM, said:

I'd trade Solaris for quad mechs.

good call

[Khobai]

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If you dont want to follow the lore may i ask why would you even want the license to begin with? to cynically ride off established franchise?

simple.

you can follow the lore thats good

but ignore the lore thats bad like clan tech being 100% better and solaris being 1v1

Edited by Khobai, 10 December 2017 - 05:44 PM.

[Anjian]

1 vs 1? Ugh.

The game mode I would want to see is to put 24 players in a single arena, and let them fight out to the last person, so there can only be one standing at the end.

[C E Dwyer]

Scout Derek, on 10 December 2017 - 01:06 PM, said:

There are. But you know, you should pay attention to what's being said in the presentation for Solaris; I suggest you go watch it again.

I have several times, hoping I was wrong, and that it's actually worth playing for something more than epeen measuring.

Only positive is that it should take away a lot of the people that like to blame others for their failure

[Wolfways]

Anjian, on 10 December 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

Yup. I would think CW is dead at this point, and its better to focus resources on what people are actually playing or may potentially play upon.

The more niche or the smaller the player base is, the more you should not spread it out across different modal games like QP vs. FP.

CW/FP also suffers from already fatally inflicted negative branding, that even if you fix it, people will still stay away from it.

If you avoid something because of negative branding why would you ever play anything made by pgi?

[thievingmagpi]

Anjian, on 10 December 2017 - 05:45 PM, said:

1 vs 1? Ugh.

The game mode I would want to see is to put 24 players in a single arena, and let them fight out to the last person, so there can only be one standing at the end.

this would be amazing. but might get a bit cheap with teamspeak people ganging up on others.

I do it with some friends in private and it's a ton of fun. So much shenanigans

[Bud Crue]

JC Daxion, on 10 December 2017 - 12:32 PM, said:

@budcrue

as i've said before, real balance is kinda impossible.. How exactly do you balance a mech that can be built good.. and then built bad?

Not my problem. PGI. NOT me but PGI is on record as saying things are in fact balanced or only a wee bit in variance.

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Inner Sphere to Clan balance in Win / Loss ratios between 'Mechs is the closest it has ever been within the game. With a global average performance difference of 6% between the factions. With the widest individual performance difference between 'Mech chassis' being 8%.

If balance is as you say "impossible" then PGI should STFU with their assertions that it is damn near perfect, don't you think?

And yet, Solaris as it is envisioned is, by way of its tiered structure, an admission that there is no real balance. So which is it? balance is only an 8% difference between the "widest individual performance" between chassis (chassis mind you) or balance is impossible, as you say?

Tell me? What basis do you have in making this assertion when PGI is saying its as close at it has ever been? Who should I believe you or PGI? If PGI cannot be believed, then there is no point in playing or further funding the game. And I am starting to take your point of view. How's that going to play out in Solaris? Really. Think it through.

If there is no balance as you assert, then why bother with your "scrub" mechs? If it is only 8% difference...like a Vindicator is only 8% difference in performance than a Deathstrike- then why do we need those tiers that PGI is planning for Solaris? You tell me. Cuz as far as I am concerned both positions means that this game, and its Solaris mode, are doomed from a competitive and viable future.

Balance can't be a scam or a case of three card monty. It has to be real. Without it, folks are going to play what is objectively and subjectively the best and disregard everything else. That will kill a game with hundreds of mechs and near infinite builds. If you can't see that, then there is no point in continuing this discussion.

Edited by Bud Crue, 10 December 2017 - 06:02 PM.

[Anjian]

thievingmagpi, on 10 December 2017 - 05:50 PM, said:

this would be amazing. but might get a bit cheap with teamspeak people ganging up on others.

I do it with some friends in private and it's a ton of fun. So much shenanigans

It will be like a mech version of this currently running anime...where I got this idea from.